(11-14-2018 08:21 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 08:04 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 06:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  UNCG is a very good team,balanced and experienced. UNCW has a freshman playing point and it is what you would expect. The amount of unforced turnovers is what cost the game. I think UNCG beats the Seahawks 99 times out of 100. Pressing a team like this would be a total joke,they are simply way better at the ball spots and it would be a dunk contest very quickly. For those that love Keats go to Raleigh and watch them play and in the meantime STFU.

I'm suddenly wondering what weird dimension of time and space I've crossed into where I'm in agreement with Mullet on the current state of UNCW basketball.

Look, we've played some strong teams early on. Like he said, we have a true freshman running the point (and aside from a high turnover rate AS A TEAM), he's not bad. He's better than what we had last year when Talley was on the bench. It's going to be a season of growing pains. That's the truth of it. I think we'll compete well with other teams in the CAA. We just have to maintain focus through our out of conference schedule. This team will be fine come March, IMO.

If you're in agreement that we should expect to lose to UNCG 99 out of 100 times, please feel free to count me out of that expectation. It means we suck and that we should suck. I want no part of that mentality or expectation of this program. Mullet has proven he knows absolutley nothing about basketball. I have no clue why anyone listens to a word he says. But you're welcome to join him in low expectations for UNCW as he's always had.

Here is one for you, old and tired but true none the less. I have literally forgotten more about basketball than you will ever know. I don’t have low expectations for this team or the head coach. I think both coach and program are on the right path. You however still have your head stuck firmly up Kevin Keatts ass. Stop with the BS about a guy that left at the first opportunity while leaving the program In shambles.
cB will get this deal going but you don’t have to be a part of it-hit the trail-I40 West to Raleigh.

(11-15-2018 03:46 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 08:21 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 08:04 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 06:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  UNCG is a very good team,balanced and experienced. UNCW has a freshman playing point and it is what you would expect. The amount of unforced turnovers is what cost the game. I think UNCG beats the Seahawks 99 times out of 100. Pressing a team like this would be a total joke,they are simply way better at the ball spots and it would be a dunk contest very quickly. For those that love Keats go to Raleigh and watch them play and in the meantime STFU.

I'm suddenly wondering what weird dimension of time and space I've crossed into where I'm in agreement with Mullet on the current state of UNCW basketball.

Look, we've played some strong teams early on. Like he said, we have a true freshman running the point (and aside from a high turnover rate AS A TEAM), he's not bad. He's better than what we had last year when Talley was on the bench. It's going to be a season of growing pains. That's the truth of it. I think we'll compete well with other teams in the CAA. We just have to maintain focus through our out of conference schedule. This team will be fine come March, IMO.

If you're in agreement that we should expect to lose to UNCG 99 out of 100 times, please feel free to count me out of that expectation. It means we suck and that we should suck. I want no part of that mentality or expectation of this program. Mullet has proven he knows absolutley nothing about basketball. I have no clue why anyone listens to a word he says. But you're welcome to join him in low expectations for UNCW as he's always had.

Here is one for you, old and tired but true none the less. I have literally forgotten more about basketball than you will ever know. I don’t have low expectations for this team or the head coach. I think both coach and program are on the right path. You however still have your head stuck firmly up Kevin Keatts ass. Stop with the BS about a guy that left at the first opportunity while leaving the program In shambles.
cB will get this deal going but you don’t have to be a part of it-hit the trail-I40 West to Raleigh.

Screw you Mullet. I'm a graduate of UNCW and heavily invested in the success of the school. You've proven you'll trash UNCW at any given moment. Furthermore, time on earth doesn't equate to knowledge. You've been wrong about players, coaches and teams so often it's hard to remember. I'll be glad to revive some old posts as proof if you're too senile or ignorant to remember.

And, minus any real knowledge about how Ketts left or the complete snub he and his coaches got when he did leave, your take on the situation is useless. You don't know enough to realize what you don't know.

Cool it.


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(11-15-2018 04:54 PM)82hawk Wrote:  And, minus any real knowledge about how Ketts left or the complete snub he and his coaches got when he did leave, your take on the situation is useless. You don't know enough to realize what you don't know.

Oh come on with this revisionist history. If Keatts didn't want us to avoid hiring his coaches, he shouldn't have badmouthed the program on his way out the door. That's right, your hero told the players he recruited not to stay here because it's not a good place to be. And that was before we passed on Siddle.

Taking all of his recruits with him would have been forgivable. Badmouthing the program and then stealing Bryce too? He deserves very little of your admiration.

Now quit whining about a coach that left. McGrath is our coach now.

How did UNCW snub Keatts? He was the one who left.

(11-15-2018 05:06 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 04:54 PM)82hawk Wrote:  And, minus any real knowledge about how Ketts left or the complete snub he and his coaches got when he did leave, your take on the situation is useless. You don't know enough to realize what you don't know.

Oh come on with this revisionist history. If Keatts didn't want us to avoid hiring his coaches, he shouldn't have badmouthed the program on his way out the door. That's right, your hero told the players he recruited not to stay here because it's not a good place to be. And that was before we passed on Siddle.

Taking all of his recruits with him would have been forgivable. Badmouthing the program and then stealing Bryce too? He deserves very little of your admiration.

Now quit whining about a coach that left. McGrath is our coach now.

Complete and utter BS.

(11-15-2018 05:05 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Cool it.


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This is how this nonsense happens every time. I discuss strategy and what works/doesn't work, and then those who can't stick to a discussion devolve into personal attacks. Like it or not, Keatts brought a system that worked which has now been adopted by two traditionally crappy in state schools who just beat us(one smoked us). Personally attacking Keatts(or me) doesn't change the truth.

Y'all enjoy the downward spiral.

(11-15-2018 06:48 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 05:05 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Cool it.


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This is how this nonsense happens every time. I discuss strategy and what works/doesn't work, and then those who can't stick to a discussion devolve into personal attacks. Like it or not, Keatts brought a system that worked which has now been adopted by two traditionally crappy in state schools who just beat us(one smoked us). Personally attacking Keatts(or me) doesn't change the truth.

Y'all enjoy the downward spiral.

Come on 82, you are too levelheaded to let Mullet ruffle your feathers. We need every one of our fans and supporters behind the program now more than ever. Things will turn around because we have too many winning players to keep losing.

(11-15-2018 06:48 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 05:05 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Cool it.


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This is how this nonsense happens every time. I discuss strategy and what works/doesn't work, and then those who can't stick to a discussion devolve into personal attacks. Like it or not, Keatts brought a system that worked which has now been adopted by two traditionally crappy in state schools who just beat us(one smoked us). Personally attacking Keatts(or me) doesn't change the truth.

Y'all enjoy the downward spiral.

You act like a pressing system is the only way for a mid major to succeed.

You don't have to necessarily press, but it's a mindset of the players. The most aggressive team wins 90% of the time and I'm primarily talking about defense. Coach runs a good system offensively IMHO. He tries to play inside out ball which is good if you have a scoring threat on the blocks and he's looking to run after a board which I like. There needs to be a guy than can get his at the end of the clock though. That has to be defined. Last year it was easy because Talley was so strong getting to his spots and also had that killer floater that we were okay. We haven't had that yet, but hopefully that will come. That's the difference so far that I can tell. Nobody really understood what having an experienced PG meant until now. And, they will get there once confident. The PG's have pick their spots to create when the time comes. It's counter to what many feel but the game has changed and it opens it up for bigs to clean up the mess.

Let's get to defense for a moment. Well, I like an aggressive defense and that's key. This team has to put more ball pressure and learn how to rotate efficiently during ball screens and recover. This has to be a shut down situation in their minds that forces contested shots. This is a process, but needs to be part of the mentality of the 5 playing. If you're not buying in, you have to sit down to understand that trading is not an option. Trading can't be an option for this bunch.

If that takes going to a 1-2-2 3/4 press in time, I'm good too. You saw what the G did and it was effective plus you all know that they aren't recruiting higher that the DUB-it's flat out execution and mentality plus talking! We can talk about not having a shot blocker at the hole at times, but I'm more concerned about what's happening before that. . Regardless, there needs to be ball pressure if it's a man or a zone-going under without talking on a great shooter can't happen. And, a zone that's passive sucks because you give up a wide open 3. Hopefully they can figure it out.

(11-15-2018 05:06 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 04:54 PM)82hawk Wrote:  And, minus any real knowledge about how Ketts left or the complete snub he and his coaches got when he did leave, your take on the situation is useless. You don't know enough to realize what you don't know.

Oh come on with this revisionist history. If Keatts didn't want us to avoid hiring his coaches, he shouldn't have badmouthed the program on his way out the door. That's right, your hero told the players he recruited not to stay here because it's not a good place to be. And that was before we passed on Siddle.

Taking all of his recruits with him would have been forgivable. Badmouthing the program and then stealing Bryce too? He deserves very little of your admiration.

Now quit whining about a coach that left. McGrath is our coach now.

The Keatts “badmouthing” sounds like a convenient rumor likely with little merit. He probably had honest concerns for players when we went outside of his staff. The kids wanted to be somewhere with a coach they knew and were comfortable with. I like what Bass has meant to our department but he chose to rebuild. For him to have been upset with the recruit(s) that asked to be released was the only confirmed bush league move I’ve heard of that went public and had validity.

This has nothing to do with CB now and these players. I think the talent is there and CB will likely improve. I don’t think we have to press but we have to establish an identity. A clear strength. Brownell’s teams had one. I have faith CB will get there. Just unfortunate he has to learn and build back with one of the best players we’ve had using his last two years of eligibility.

(11-16-2018 03:15 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 05:06 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 04:54 PM)82hawk Wrote:  And, minus any real knowledge about how Ketts left or the complete snub he and his coaches got when he did leave, your take on the situation is useless. You don't know enough to realize what you don't know.

Oh come on with this revisionist history. If Keatts didn't want us to avoid hiring his coaches, he shouldn't have badmouthed the program on his way out the door. That's right, your hero told the players he recruited not to stay here because it's not a good place to be. And that was before we passed on Siddle.

Taking all of his recruits with him would have been forgivable. Badmouthing the program and then stealing Bryce too? He deserves very little of your admiration.

Now quit whining about a coach that left. McGrath is our coach now.

The Keatts “badmouthing” sounds like a convenient rumor likely with little merit. He probably had honest concerns for players when we went outside of his staff. The kids wanted to be somewhere with a coach they knew and were comfortable with. I like what Bass has meant to our department but he chose to rebuild. For him to have been upset with the recruit(s) that asked to be released was the only confirmed bush league move I’ve heard of that went public and had validity.

This has nothing to do with CB now and these players. I think the talent is there and CB will likely improve. I don’t think we have to press but we have to establish an identity. A clear strength. Brownell’s teams had one. I have faith CB will get there. Just unfortunate he has to learn and build back with one of the best players we’ve had using his last two years of eligibility.

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(11-16-2018 03:15 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 05:06 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 04:54 PM)82hawk Wrote:  And, minus any real knowledge about how Ketts left or the complete snub he and his coaches got when he did leave, your take on the situation is useless. You don't know enough to realize what you don't know.

Oh come on with this revisionist history. If Keatts didn't want us to avoid hiring his coaches, he shouldn't have badmouthed the program on his way out the door. That's right, your hero told the players he recruited not to stay here because it's not a good place to be. And that was before we passed on Siddle.

Taking all of his recruits with him would have been forgivable. Badmouthing the program and then stealing Bryce too? He deserves very little of your admiration.

Now quit whining about a coach that left. McGrath is our coach now.

The Keatts “badmouthing” sounds like a convenient rumor likely with little merit. He probably had honest concerns for players when we went outside of his staff. The kids wanted to be somewhere with a coach they knew and were comfortable with. I like what Bass has meant to our department but he chose to rebuild. For him to have been upset with the recruit(s) that asked to be released was the only confirmed bush league move I’ve heard of that went public and had validity.

This has nothing to do with CB now and these players. I think the talent is there and CB will likely improve. I don’t think we have to press but we have to establish an identity. A clear strength. Brownell’s teams had one. I have faith CB will get there. Just unfortunate he has to learn and build back with one of the best players we’ve had using his last two years of eligibility.

I've heard a similar story from several sources as well. Taking CJ was the icing on the cake. He will always be the red headed step child in the triangle!

Anyways, like everyone else said, it doesn't really matter at this point.

Back to our current team, we saw that pressing does work in spurts, but we had almost a decade of success with tough, strong defensive minded teams. D is the key, and the current regime has given me little hope that they can teach it.

(11-16-2018 08:46 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 03:15 AM)getmhawks Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 05:06 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 04:54 PM)82hawk Wrote:  And, minus any real knowledge about how Ketts left or the complete snub he and his coaches got when he did leave, your take on the situation is useless. You don't know enough to realize what you don't know.

Oh come on with this revisionist history. If Keatts didn't want us to avoid hiring his coaches, he shouldn't have badmouthed the program on his way out the door. That's right, your hero told the players he recruited not to stay here because it's not a good place to be. And that was before we passed on Siddle.

Taking all of his recruits with him would have been forgivable. Badmouthing the program and then stealing Bryce too? He deserves very little of your admiration.

Now quit whining about a coach that left. McGrath is our coach now.

The Keatts “badmouthing” sounds like a convenient rumor likely with little merit. He probably had honest concerns for players when we went outside of his staff. The kids wanted to be somewhere with a coach they knew and were comfortable with. I like what Bass has meant to our department but he chose to rebuild. For him to have been upset with the recruit(s) that asked to be released was the only confirmed bush league move I’ve heard of that went public and had validity.

This has nothing to do with CB now and these players. I think the talent is there and CB will likely improve. I don’t think we have to press but we have to establish an identity. A clear strength. Brownell’s teams had one. I have faith CB will get there. Just unfortunate he has to learn and build back with one of the best players we’ve had using his last two years of eligibility.

I've heard a similar story from several sources as well. Taking CJ was the icing on the cake. He will always be the red headed step child in the triangle!

Anyways, like everyone else said, it doesn't really matter at this point.

Back to our current team, we saw that pressing does work in spurts, but we had almost a decade of success with tough, strong defensive minded teams. D is the key, and the current regime has given me little hope that they can teach it.

The decade of success built on defense was also built on a slow, deliberate tempo on offense that kept scores down and kept scores close. FWIW, i'm good with that style as well. That style of defense wouldn't have worked along side a high paced offense though.

We've had high scoring offenses before without a press, and the results looked just like they do now. A press allows us to maintain the high volume offense we want, while slowing down the other team and eating up their shot clock and causing havoc.

I really don't care which way we go, but what we are doing now has been a proven loser.

Why are we still discussing Keatts? It's over! Even if you consider him a personal friend and have his cell number, he's just not that into you. Every loss or coaching decision shouldn't result in a comparison to him. CB should be evaluated on his own merit without concern for the former coach or system. Enough already.

(11-16-2018 11:03 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Why are we still discussing Keatts? It's over! Even if you consider him a personal friend and have his cell number, he's just not that into you. Every loss or coaching decision shouldn't result in a comparison to him. CB should be evaluated on his own merit without concern for the former coach or system. Enough already.

I'm good with Keatts being gone. It's completely fair to compare our team's progression to previous successful coaches/systems. The most successful years in our program were under Coach W, B, and K. Those should be the benchmarks. Commonalities between those three eras are apparent even if they had different recipes for success.

Do you want us to compare our team/coaches to the Benny and Buzz years? I'm pretty sure those aren't the measures to calibrate our barometers with.

EDIT: But I hear you and I'll move on. We CHOSE to rebuild so we need patience now.

(11-16-2018 01:06 PM)getmhawks Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 11:03 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Why are we still discussing Keatts? It's over! Even if you consider him a personal friend and have his cell number, he's just not that into you. Every loss or coaching decision shouldn't result in a comparison to him. CB should be evaluated on his own merit without concern for the former coach or system. Enough already.

Do you want us to compare our team/coaches to the Benny and Buzz years? I'm pretty sure those aren't the measures to calibrate our barometers with.

Unfortunately we are closer to that right now than W,B or K! Hoping that changes

(11-16-2018 01:06 PM)getmhawks Wrote:  I'm good with Keatts being gone. It's completely fair to compare our team's progression to previous successful coaches/systems. The most successful years in our program were under Coach W, B, and K. Those should be the benchmarks. Commonalities between those three eras are apparent even if they had different recipes for success.

Do you want us to compare our team/coaches to the Benny and Buzz years? I'm pretty sure those aren't the measures to calibrate our barometers with.

EDIT: But I hear you and I'll move on. We CHOSE to rebuild so we need patience now.

Wainwright was 13-16 in his second season at UNCW and we all remember his tenure fondly. McGrath is not going to implement the same style as Keatts...HE'S NOT GOING TO so it's frustrating to hear the same complaints after every loss. I hope for adjustments and improvement. I'm not saying I'm satisfied where we are, but there is more than one way to win. The solution after EVERY disappointment can't be PRESS.

(11-16-2018 03:59 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 01:06 PM)getmhawks Wrote:  I'm good with Keatts being gone. It's completely fair to compare our team's progression to previous successful coaches/systems. The most successful years in our program were under Coach W, B, and K. Those should be the benchmarks. Commonalities between those three eras are apparent even if they had different recipes for success.

Do you want us to compare our team/coaches to the Benny and Buzz years? I'm pretty sure those aren't the measures to calibrate our barometers with.

EDIT: But I hear you and I'll move on. We CHOSE to rebuild so we need patience now.

Wainwright was 13-16 in his second season at UNCW and we all remember his tenure fondly. McGrath is not going to implement the same style as Keatts...HE'S NOT GOING TO so it's frustrating to hear the same complaints after every loss. I hope for adjustments and improvement. I'm not saying I'm satisfied where we are, but there is more than one way to win. The solution after EVERY disappointment can't be PRESS.

I think the frustration is we don't really have an identity. Or, at least one that's been proven to work at this level. I really, really like the recruits he's brought in. But i'm still not convinced he can coach. I hope he proves me wrong!

(11-16-2018 04:05 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I think the frustration is we don't really have an identity. Or, at least one that's been proven to work at this level. I really, really like the recruits he's brought in. But i'm still not convinced he can coach. I hope he proves me wrong!

I'm just another fan, but in my estimation that is a perfectly fair criticism. I object to the notion that there is one way to win at UNCW and we have to follow that model. That's not McGrath, for better or worse, I don't expect him to start pressing. Before the hire I agreed with the the sentiment that we should stick with Keatts' style, but Bass went another direction and we have to figure out if CB is the guy, but continuing with the plea to press is juvenile.