(11-10-2018 06:14 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  None of those programs add value to the AAC.

How do figure? I thought that I specifically laid out how an expansion would benefit the teams as well as the conference as a whole. Would you mind reading the op and pointing out where you see a "lack of benefit" in my talking points? Thanks

(11-09-2018 06:08 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  Hi guys, first time poster here. Just wanted to throw this out and get some feedback:
AAC West:
Boise State
BYU
Fresno
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
San Diego State
SMU

AAC East:
Cincinnati
ECU
Memphis
Navy
Temple
UConn
UCF
USF
Play all 7 division members, plus 2 cross division opponents and 3 ooc games a year, with every team agreeing to play 2 P5's every year. I think this league, top to bottom would be equal to the worst P5 on a yearly basis and would be the first 16 team super conference and would all but lock up a monopoly on the NY6 G5 representative, plus it literally incorporates every team that has made the NY6 game thus far, with the exception of the 2 MAC team flukes, which with this new AAC being so strong SOS wise would virtually guarantee the bid on a yearly basis. Perception is reality and having a conference with teams in every timezone, would allow games to start first at noon EST on an ESPN channel and end at 10pm EST on an ESPN channel, starting and ending the day with the same conference games is great for brand awareness and marketing, plus the AAC tv contract is up soon and having a conference with UCF, USF,Boise, the eyeballs of the entire LDS community, etc will help with $$$ negotiations. Regarding the 2 P5 ooc games/year, that's my idea, but rumor is that P5 schools may decide all together to no longer play fcs teams as sos is playing a huge roll in the cfp rankings (they were talking about it last week on ESPNU radio) and lastly the playoff will expand eventually, there will just be too much of a demand for it and if/when they go to 8 and include the best G5 team, this new AAC will again, have a virtual lock on it. I'd do it in a heartbeat. What say you? Thanks

Ride it out and build this conference from within until 2025 when the B-12 GOR's runs out. That is the only opportunity for schools from this conference to get the golden pass to the riches of the P5 conferences. If everything stays status quo then evaluate the ECONOMICS of expansion. In the mean time with the TV contract coming do - this conference will see what it is worth with it's current members now that it has existed for a number of years rather than negotiating a TV contract with no conference history. Don't really see a significant change in the bowl situation though except for more access to the Liberty Bowl.

(11-10-2018 09:06 AM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 06:14 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  None of those programs add value to the AAC.

How do figure? I thought that I specifically laid out how an expansion would benefit the teams as well as the conference as a whole. Would you mind reading the op and pointing out where you see a "lack of benefit" in my talking points? Thanks

Such a conference creation should be solely based upon economics - income to the member schools. If the AAC can get $10M per school as it is & $10M per school in this new creation there is no motivation to expand. If, however, this new league brings substantially more, let's do it. But the benefit has to be tangible in $$$.

(11-10-2018 06:14 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  None of those programs add value to the AAC.

Lol how do you figure?

Enlighten us.

(11-10-2018 09:33 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 06:14 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  None of those programs add value to the AAC.

Lol how do you figure?

Enlighten us.

I love how the east division is all for sending the west division teams to Boise and Cali because they'd only have to go out there every fourth or sixth year.

None of the named teams bring more of an economic benefit. Hell with the AAC being brand new and most of the western expansion teams being in the mw we can see that their value since they make a million a year in a more established league.

That ignores the entire past history of the MW which has been about back stabbing it's fellow conference mates since the abomination was created in a back room of an airport like some illegal abortion in the 1960s. Then was boosted by programs back stabbing each other as they abandoned the WAC for the glory of the MW. Every team in that league screwed each other over, all of them. Not oh let me try and get in the big Xii, but literally trying to stack up dead programs to crawl out of their hole on.

By the way they tried the 16 team league and it ending was the creation of the MW. It involved stupid travel, four time zones, nobody east of the Rockies caring, zero prestige gain, and didn't create an extra dime.

Only two football programs would add value to this league. The rest of these teams are just mouths to feed desperate to ride our coattails to get out of the mess they made for themselves. Adding a mw team just drags the value of the conference down, obviously since they make half of what we do now they are only worth 50% of an add.

Not to mention there is no real reason to do so. The AAC is about to put the lock down on the ny6 and make an argument for a cfp spot. We're in negotiations to make the liberty bowl our primary bowl, this is just travel cost, lost tv share, and geographical sprawl.

(11-10-2018 09:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 09:06 AM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 06:14 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  None of those programs add value to the AAC.

How do figure? I thought that I specifically laid out how an expansion would benefit the teams as well as the conference as a whole. Would you mind reading the op and pointing out where you see a "lack of benefit" in my talking points? Thanks

Such a conference creation should be solely based upon economics - income to the member schools. If the AAC can get $10M per school as it is & $10M per school in this new creation there is no motivation to expand. If, however, this new league brings substantially more, let's do it. But the benefit has to be tangible in $$$.

The NY6 game also brings in money to the conference and this new merged conference that I proposed virtually guarantee a monopoly on the game every year.

If it gives us $10 million plus per team (assuming we can't get that already) and/or a guaranteed NY6 bowl, I support it. Otherwise, not sure it's worth the travel and timezone issues.

Even if this doesn't ever happen, I'd be all for more MWC-AAC games in both revenue sports.

(11-10-2018 10:27 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  If it gives us $10 million plus per team (assuming we can't get that already) and/or a guaranteed NY6 bowl, I support it. Otherwise, not sure it's worth the travel and timezone issues.

THIS ^^^^

The question is, who is going to pay that much? Plus, you'd never get BSU or BYU to give up their sweetheart deals. On the plus side, the conference would match up very well with current P5 conferences.

Add BYU to the AAC and call it a day

(11-10-2018 10:37 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 10:27 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  If it gives us $10 million plus per team (assuming we can't get that already) and/or a guaranteed NY6 bowl, I support it. Otherwise, not sure it's worth the travel and timezone issues.

THIS ^^^^

The question is, who is going to pay that much? Plus, you'd never get BSU or BYU to give up their sweetheart deals. On the plus side, the conference would match up very well with current P5 conferences.

This & this. Also why would anyone want to be in a conference with 16 teams with some teams we will play only every 4 years? Travel on the athletes is tough as well. I vote no.

(11-10-2018 06:09 AM)Newton card Wrote:  I’m really puzzled by some wanting service academy’s. Obviously great and valuable men for our armed forces; but I think the all , including navy should be independent. Different agendas .( and don’t enjoy watching their games to be honest)

Service academies have done a horrible job at recruiting a fan base. There are millions and millions of veterans out there and they've seemed to narrow it down to just officers of two branches going at each other.

If done right they could have the potential to bring in TV audeinces all across the states in huge numbers. And I think the AAC is a conference that can bring that to light.

I for one love the type of football they play and think it will be great for teams to play against that type of football at least once every year. It can really help a team focus on their run defense and make the D line put in some work.

Because if you can stop navy from running the ball you can pretty much stop anyone from running.

(11-09-2018 06:08 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  Hi guys, first time poster here. Just wanted to throw this out and get some feedback:
AAC West:
Boise State
BYU
Fresno
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
San Diego State
SMU

AAC East:
Cincinnati
ECU
Memphis
Navy
Temple
UConn
UCF
USF
Play all 7 division members, plus 2 cross division opponents and 3 ooc games a year, with every team agreeing to play 2 P5's every year. I think this league, top to bottom would be equal to the worst P5 on a yearly basis and would be the first 16 team super conference and would all but lock up a monopoly on the NY6 G5 representative, plus it literally incorporates every team that has made the NY6 game thus far, with the exception of the 2 MAC team flukes, which with this new AAC being so strong SOS wise would virtually guarantee the bid on a yearly basis. Perception is reality and having a conference with teams in every timezone, would allow games to start first at noon EST on an ESPN channel and end at 10pm EST on an ESPN channel, starting and ending the day with the same conference games is great for brand awareness and marketing, plus the AAC tv contract is up soon and having a conference with UCF, USF,Boise, the eyeballs of the entire LDS community, etc will help with $$$ negotiations. Regarding the 2 P5 ooc games/year, that's my idea, but rumor is that P5 schools may decide all together to no longer play fcs teams as sos is playing a huge roll in the cfp rankings (they were talking about it last week on ESPNU radio) and lastly the playoff will expand eventually, there will just be too much of a demand for it and if/when they go to 8 and include the best G5 team, this new AAC will again, have a virtual lock on it. I'd do it in a heartbeat. What say you? Thanks

Another reason this is not a good idea is the pie pieces become smaller. If a network is willing to give the AAC $150 million/year the split among the current 12 teams is over $10 per team. If 4 more teams are added and the network doesn't increase the pot of money, than the per team payout shrinks. Adding 4 more teams probably does nothing to increase the payout to be worth it.

This is the reason the Big 12 is so hesitant to expand to the 12 they once had. Texas and Oklahoma don't want their pie pieces to shrink.

(11-10-2018 10:21 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 09:33 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 06:14 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  None of those programs add value to the AAC.

Lol how do you figure?

Enlighten us.

I love how the east division is all for sending the west division teams to Boise and Cali because they'd only have to go out there every fourth or sixth year.

None of the named teams bring more of an economic benefit. Hell with the AAC being brand new and most of the western expansion teams being in the mw we can see that their value since they make a million a year in a more established league.

That ignores the entire past history of the MW which has been about back stabbing it's fellow conference mates since the abomination was created in a back room of an airport like some illegal abortion in the 1960s. Then was boosted by programs back stabbing each other as they abandoned the WAC for the glory of the MW. Every team in that league screwed each other over, all of them. Not oh let me try and get in the big Xii, but literally trying to stack up dead programs to crawl out of their hole on.

By the way they tried the 16 team league and it ending was the creation of the MW. It involved stupid travel, four time zones, nobody east of the Rockies caring, zero prestige gain, and didn't create an extra dime.

Only two football programs would add value to this league. The rest of these teams are just mouths to feed desperate to ride our coattails to get out of the mess they made for themselves. Adding a mw team just drags the value of the conference down, obviously since they make half of what we do now they are only worth 50% of an add.

Not to mention there is no real reason to do so. The AAC is about to put the lock down on the ny6 and make an argument for a cfp spot. We're in negotiations to make the liberty bowl our primary bowl, this is just travel cost, lost tv share, and geographical sprawl.

Thank you for your input. We will take it under advisement.


UC, UCF, UCONN and UH will decide what we do since we are the big 4 according to ESPN. We will let you know what we decide.

(11-10-2018 09:33 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 06:14 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  None of those programs add value to the AAC.

Lol how do you figure?

Enlighten us.

Lets assume we will get 8 mil a team as we are, Is Espn or Nbc really likely to pay more then 32 mil to add to those 4 schools? If money not bigger it is not worth adding.

(11-11-2018 08:33 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 09:33 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 06:14 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  None of those programs add value to the AAC.

Lol how do you figure?

Enlighten us.

Lets assume we will get 8 mil a team as we are, Is Espn or Nbc really likely to pay more then 32 mil to add to those 4 schools? If money not bigger it is not worth adding.

More to the point, would they be willing to increase each team from 8MM to 10MM because of adding those 4? That would be an additional 64MM per year, not an additional 32MM.

(11-10-2018 06:40 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 10:21 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 09:33 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 06:14 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  None of those programs add value to the AAC.

Lol how do you figure?

Enlighten us.

I love how the east division is all for sending the west division teams to Boise and Cali because they'd only have to go out there every fourth or sixth year.

None of the named teams bring more of an economic benefit. Hell with the AAC being brand new and most of the western expansion teams being in the mw we can see that their value since they make a million a year in a more established league.

That ignores the entire past history of the MW which has been about back stabbing it's fellow conference mates since the abomination was created in a back room of an airport like some illegal abortion in the 1960s. Then was boosted by programs back stabbing each other as they abandoned the WAC for the glory of the MW. Every team in that league screwed each other over, all of them. Not oh let me try and get in the big Xii, but literally trying to stack up dead programs to crawl out of their hole on.

By the way they tried the 16 team league and it ending was the creation of the MW. It involved stupid travel, four time zones, nobody east of the Rockies caring, zero prestige gain, and didn't create an extra dime.

Only two football programs would add value to this league. The rest of these teams are just mouths to feed desperate to ride our coattails to get out of the mess they made for themselves. Adding a mw team just drags the value of the conference down, obviously since they make half of what we do now they are only worth 50% of an add.

Not to mention there is no real reason to do so. The AAC is about to put the lock down on the ny6 and make an argument for a cfp spot. We're in negotiations to make the liberty bowl our primary bowl, this is just travel cost, lost tv share, and geographical sprawl.

Thank you for your input. We will take it under advisement.


UC, UCF, UCONN and UH will decide what we do since we are the big 4 according to ESPN. We will let you know what we decide.

Oh my, most of the rust has been shaken off.

(11-10-2018 10:21 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  [Western expansion] ignores the entire past history of the MW which has been about back stabbing it's fellow conference mates since the abomination was created in a back room of an airport like some illegal abortion in the 1960s.

I’m sensing some anger here.

Quote:By the way [the WAC] tried the 16 team league and it ending was the creation of the MW. It involved stupid travel, four time zones, nobody east of the Rockies caring, zero prestige gain, and didn't create an extra dime.

The “Super-WAC” had some teams that were a bad fit, and they couldn’t find a good way to organize the divisions/“quadrants”/whatever. But really, the idea of a 16-team could easily work, if you had the right teams and set the divisions/schedules the right way. Especially for a league that’s focused on the Eastern/Central zones, instead of the Mountain/Pacific.

(11-11-2018 10:15 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 10:21 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  [Western expansion] ignores the entire past history of the MW which has been about back stabbing it's fellow conference mates since the abomination was created in a back room of an airport like some illegal abortion in the 1960s.

I’m sensing some anger here.

Quote:By the way [the WAC] tried the 16 team league and it ending was the creation of the MW. It involved stupid travel, four time zones, nobody east of the Rockies caring, zero prestige gain, and didn't create an extra dime.

The “Super-WAC” had some teams that were a bad fit, and they couldn’t find a good way to organize the divisions/“quadrants”/whatever. But really, the idea of a 16-team could easily work, if you had the right teams and set the divisions/schedules the right way. Especially for a league that’s focused on the Eastern/Central zones, instead of the Mountain/Pacific.

No what you are sensing is knowledge and experience.

If people always get robbed when they go to the corner store and you're going to the corner store, plan on getting robbed.

If someone lies to someone else in front of you it's safe to assume they will lie to you. If they lie to someone else and to you, it's safe to expect they lie to everyone.

Schools who were in the "super wac"

BYU
SDSU

All part of the original exit to the mw after helping found the 16 wac.

Boise St
Fresno

Betrayed the WAC, Boise for the Big East originally before instantly trying to stab them, then for the new mw and finally together to kill the WAC.

16 teams can not work with 12 games, there aren't enough slots to make the conference realize its potential. The Rockies are a big dividing line and I seriously doubt at any time in the future a league will successfully stradle them and go east.

No