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I think it's the "play great defense" part of Bloomgren's formula that I have found most disappointing.

"Pound the rock, run the clock, and play great defense," doesn't work if you don't play great defense, because you can't score fast enough running the ball, even running the ball well, if your defense doesn't stop anyone. I think we may have improved defensively, although after Sydney it was hard to evaluate the defense last year.

In reality, we are 0 for 3 on executing, "Pound the rock, run the clock, and play great defense," with the slight exception that we have allowed opponents to score so quickly on us that we've ended up holding the ball about 33 minutes a game. The one area we have done well is special teams, but then almost anything would have been an improvement over the total execution in the kicking game under Bailiff, although we've had some good kickers.

I still don't believe Bloomgren is going to be able to recruit the people he needs to run the Stanford system at Rice. I wonder if and when he will ever realize this, and what he will do about it. I'm not calling for anyone's head for three years, as I've said before. But we'd better be a whole lot better in 2020.
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There were 21 new FBS coaches this year. I wonder how the other 20 are faring.
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(11-09-2018 05:16 PM)ATXowl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 04:06 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  We probably shouldn't be worried about the quality of our QB. Bloom made it clear several weeks ago that "he" has been successful with good QB's like Andrew Luck and "he" has had conference championships with bad QB play. Beginning to realize that it makes no difference who is playing for the Owls. Sith Lord Darth Bloomgren will use his powers of fear to impose his will over his enemies.

Bloom may have a point. He used, in your terms a Junior High caliber QB to play against a competitive FIU team and "his" offense was moving the ball.

I honestly believe that Bloom thinks his strategy is smarter than all of CUSA. Realistically, if we had Stanford's big boys anyone could call plays in CUSA. But the reality is we don't have them and I don't see us landing them in the near future.
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I honestly believe that Bloom thinks his strategy is smarter than all of CUSA. Realistically, if we had Stanford's big boys anyone could call plays in CUSA. But the reality is we don't have them and I don't see us landing them in the near future.
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He gets that from his boss. You guys need to understand that once you are associated with Stanford, you are omnipotent. Common sense has no role and for sure don't tell them that their approach is not perfect. Their tiny egos can't handle the truth. See Wayne Graham.
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We finally play four solid quarters for the first (and and only) game all year.
Answer on defense is to blitz eleven every down.
Jackpot comes up all sevens.

Rice 7 7 7 7 7-35
LATech 10 3 7 8 6 -34
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(11-09-2018 06:20 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 05:16 PM)ATXowl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 04:06 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  We probably shouldn't be worried about the quality of our QB. Bloom made it clear several weeks ago that "he" has been successful with good QB's like Andrew Luck and "he" has had conference championships with bad QB play. Beginning to realize that it makes no difference who is playing for the Owls. Sith Lord Darth Bloomgren will use his powers of fear to impose his will over his enemies.

Bloom may have a point. He used, in your terms a Junior High caliber QB to play against a competitive FIU team and "his" offense was moving the ball.

I honestly believe that Bloom thinks his strategy is smarter than all of CUSA. Realistically, if we had Stanford's big boys anyone could call plays in CUSA. But the reality is we don't have them and I don't see us landing them in the near future.

Nice deflection! I honestly believe you don’t know what the hell your talking abut.
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La Tech offense is not as strong as prior years (in a funk now) and Owl D is marginally better than prior few years. With all the focus on Stank vs. Green, I think this is the factor that keeps it closer than Vegas thinks.

Would not be surprised given the J. Fox field position flipper on 4th down to see a low scoring game for awhile. Skip will get things rolling on offense in 4Q and we know what Rice will have on offense for all four quarters and hope for quick start to get that one TD early in 1Q.

Expect a 28-10 type of game that could be 14-10 late in 3Q and another moral victory in the books to make the record .500 on moral victories for the year.
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Does anyone know where the "Game Notes" for the LA Tech game can be found?
The site has changed and I have no idea where they are now.
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(11-09-2018 10:20 PM)interwebowl Wrote:  I honestly believe that Bloom thinks his strategy is smarter than all of CUSA. Realistically, if we had Stanford's big boys anyone could call plays in CUSA. But the reality is we don't have them and I don't see us landing them in the near future.


He gets that from his boss. You guys need to understand that once you are associated with Stanford, you are omnipotent. Common sense has no role and for sure don't tell them that their approach is not perfect. Their tiny egos can't handle the truth. See Wayne Graham.

Only a matter of time before the 25(0) reared their head again.

Retain Bailiff and Graham. What else was your strategy beyond the stockholm syndrome status quo?

One can be unhappy with this season without jumping into the crony pool of unprecedented ongoing failure. It isn't one or the other.
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(11-10-2018 01:05 AM)OwlSquared Wrote:  Does anyone know where the "Game Notes" for the LA Tech game can be found?
The site has changed and I have no idea where they are now.

https://riceowls.com/documents/2018/11/7..._notes.pdf
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(11-10-2018 06:58 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(11-10-2018 01:05 AM)OwlSquared Wrote:  Does anyone know where the "Game Notes" for the LA Tech game can be found?
The site has changed and I have no idea where they are now.

https://riceowls.com/documents/2018/11/7..._notes.pdf

This gameday roster doesn't look correct if stories about OT Osuji returning (allowing preservation of Servin's redshirt) and Green actually being behind Tyner for this game...unless things changed again in last day or so.
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(11-10-2018 12:59 AM)owl40 Wrote:  La Tech offense is not as strong as prior years (in a funk now) and Owl D is marginally better than prior few years. With all the focus on Stank vs. Green, I think this is the factor that keeps it closer than Vegas thinks.

Would not be surprised given the J. Fox field position flipper on 4th down to see a low scoring game for awhile. Skip will get things rolling on offense in 4Q and we know what Rice will have on offense for all four quarters and hope for quick start to get that one TD early in 1Q.

Expect a 28-10 type of game that could be 14-10 late in 3Q and another moral victory in the books to make the record .500 on moral victories for the year.

UTEP offense was lighting the board up before they played us.
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(11-10-2018 09:12 AM)Papa_Owl Wrote:  
(11-10-2018 06:58 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(11-10-2018 01:05 AM)OwlSquared Wrote:  Does anyone know where the "Game Notes" for the LA Tech game can be found?
The site has changed and I have no idea where they are now.

https://riceowls.com/documents/2018/11/7..._notes.pdf

This gameday roster doesn't look correct if stories about OT Osuji returning (allowing preservation of Servin's redshirt) and Green actually being behind Tyner for this game...unless things changed again in last day or so.

By the way, you can find these each week on the Rice Athletics / Football web page. At the top right, the second row of text has several selections including one that says "More +"
If you click on "More +", you will find the Weekly Game Notes in that subcategory. Very intuitive :)
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(11-09-2018 10:20 PM)interwebowl Wrote:  I honestly believe that Bloom thinks his strategy is smarter than all of CUSA. Realistically, if we had Stanford's big boys anyone could call plays in CUSA. But the reality is we don't have them and I don't see us landing them in the near future.

He gets that from his boss. You guys need to understand that once you are associated with Stanford, you are omnipotent. Common sense has no role and for sure don't tell them that their approach is not perfect. Their tiny egos can't handle the truth. See Wayne Graham.
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Would you prefer a head coach who started his job not believing he could outcoach his peers in the conference?
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(11-10-2018 11:37 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 10:20 PM)interwebowl Wrote:  I honestly believe that Bloom thinks his strategy is smarter than all of CUSA. Realistically, if we had Stanford's big boys anyone could call plays in CUSA. But the reality is we don't have them and I don't see us landing them in the near future.

He gets that from his boss. You guys need to understand that once you are associated with Stanford, you are omnipotent. Common sense has no role and for sure don't tell them that their approach is not perfect. Their tiny egos can't handle the truth. See Wayne Graham.

Would you prefer a head coach who started his job not believing he could outcoach his peers in the conference?
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I would actually prefer a coach who *could* and *does* out coach his peers in CUSA. I have seen that once this season with Rice (albeit against an AAC team....).

Honestly, from what I have seen of Bloom, I am not convinced he has the coaching dimension to cobble together a scheme utilizing the upsides of what he has.

He may very well have the dimension to use a formula he envisions and mold a team to that vision -- but we really have not been exposed to that facet at this point in time vis a vis Bloom.
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I'm not convinced Bloomgren is going to succeed either, but I certainly don't want another "aw shucks" type coach who believes he isn't going to succeed in any big way, so there's no need to try hard or expect too much of the players.
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(11-10-2018 11:48 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-10-2018 11:37 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 10:20 PM)interwebowl Wrote:  I honestly believe that Bloom thinks his strategy is smarter than all of CUSA. Realistically, if we had Stanford's big boys anyone could call plays in CUSA. But the reality is we don't have them and I don't see us landing them in the near future.
He gets that from his boss. You guys need to understand that once you are associated with Stanford, you are omnipotent. Common sense has no role and for sure don't tell them that their approach is not perfect. Their tiny egos can't handle the truth. See Wayne Graham.
Would you prefer a head coach who started his job not believing he could outcoach his peers in the conference?
I would actually prefer a coach who *could* and *does* out coach his peers in CUSA. I have seen that once this season with Rice (albeit against an AAC team....).
Honestly, from what I have seen of Bloom, I am not convinced he has the coaching dimension to cobble together a scheme utilizing the upsides of what he has.
He may very well have the dimension to use a formula he envisions and mold a team to that vision -- but we really have not been exposed to that facet at this point in time vis a vis Bloom.

I think this is the case any time a coach's preferred schemes do not match up to the talent at hand. This was debated almost ad infinitum during the Bailiff years--do you adapt scheme to personnel or keep forcing square pegs into round holes until they fit? I would fault Bailiff for continuing to pursue the same path--albeit a path that was hard to identify except that we were simply going to recruit better--long after it became obvious that we were not going to recruit well enough to out-athlete folks on a consistent basis.

I am going to wait and see with Bloomgren. He has at least clearly defined a path--pound the rock, run the clock, play great defense--although I doubt his ability to recruit to that scheme, just as I doubted Bailiff's ability to recruit well enough to out-athlete people. I'll give him three years. If after three years he has given us what Bailiff did--a 10-win bowl season in between two disasters--I'll be ready to move on. I don't think 2019 will be 2008, but if 2020 is better than 2019, and miles better than 2009, I'll give Bloomgren credit where credit is due.

What I think is our huge problem--and one that I don't really understand--is how after 2014, coming off three consecutive bowls, including two bowl wins and a conference championship, and with the vaunted EZF coming online, our recruiting simply collapsed.
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(11-10-2018 06:58 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(11-10-2018 01:05 AM)OwlSquared Wrote:  Does anyone know where the "Game Notes" for the LA Tech game can be found?
The site has changed and I have no idea where they are now.

https://riceowls.com/documents/2018/11/7..._notes.pdf

Thanks!
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According to game notes, Wiley has only played in 3 games, so either Bloom is saving him for OD or genuinely believes Stank is better.
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(11-10-2018 11:37 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 10:20 PM)interwebowl Wrote:  I honestly believe that Bloom thinks his strategy is smarter than all of CUSA. Realistically, if we had Stanford's big boys anyone could call plays in CUSA. But the reality is we don't have them and I don't see us landing them in the near future.

He gets that from his boss. You guys need to understand that once you are associated with Stanford, you are omnipotent. Common sense has no role and for sure don't tell them that their approach is not perfect. Their tiny egos can't handle the truth. See Wayne Graham.

Would you prefer a head coach who started his job not believing he could outcoach his peers in the conference?
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My point is that all you have to do is look at any p5 football to realize that Rice is thousands of times worse than these people. If football was on a continuum between pros and pee week we would be much closer to the high school level than the P5. The P5 left and took their money. They are not sharing or ever inviting us to the table. This means the best we can hope for is a crappy level of play that might become good enough to win 1/2 the games played in cusa. You cannot impose Stanford's money and athletic connections to the Pac 12 on Rice. You can try, but you will fail and cost the budget $15 M a year doing so. Joe might be able to convince Tudor that he can make Rice viable, but he will never convince an educated football person.

P. S. Antarius I never liked Bailiff either but the obstacles he faced have not changed. Bragga does not change that for baseball either.
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