(11-08-2018 08:18 AM)Dannyboy Wrote: Mick Cronin = Rick Minter
You know, that's an interesting comparison. I give Rick credit for moving the football program forward on many levels: he graduated players, won some games against brand name, major programs and broke a 50 year bowl jinx. But it had become clear to many that he just wouldn't take the program the next step, which Dantonio proceeded to do.
Holtmann was a great hire for OSU and is 3-0 against Mick now. Butler took a chance on him when he was head coach at Gardner-Webb. There are great young coaches out there awaiting that same opportunity every season. Most would walk to Cincinnati to coach in that world class arena, with the energy and atmosphere that was on display last night. The inability to hire a suitable replacement should never be the reason to retain someone who isn't moving the program forward.
I'll defend him. Last night sucked, but one game causes quite the overreaction around here.
This year is/was/always will be a struggle. We lost our top 3 offensive weapons from a team/program not known for offense. Yes, I wish Mick would hire an offensive-minded assistant. We'll still have success even if he doesn't.
OSU was - what - maybe one of the five best teams we'll play this year? And UC should have won.
It'll take time for this team to gel. They were poised to make the tournament as a 7-11 seed this year, and they're still on track. If you were expecting better with this roster, you're delusional.
(11-08-2018 12:09 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote: It is astounding how bare the cupboard is in terms of talent. I don’t understand why good basketball players don’t want to come play at UC.
Also what is the ******* deal with Mamadou??
The most damning take I've ever heard about Mick's recruiting came from Tim Adams, who is as reasonable and respected as anyone that has ever covered UC sports.
After the Nevada Disaster, Tim said he doesn't think Mick should be fired, but that he wouldn't want his children to play for Mick. For Tim to say that, after the countless hours he has spent around UC athletics, said a lot to me.
I agree with you on Tim Adams... His word carries a lot of weight with me.
I don't understand the "I don't want him to be fired...BUT…" angle. If you wouldn't want "your kid" to play under Mick Cronin, if he's "not a good enough coach" for your kid, then why in the world wouldn't you want him fired from your university? I am deadly serious here. I mean part of the whole appeal that "Mick runs a 'clean program'" is that young men are better served by an exemplary coach. If you're sitting there and can say, with a straight face, "Well, I wouldn't want my kid to go play for him..." then the following sentence ought to be "I hope they fire his ass, sooner than later!"
I hear you, for sure. However, I don't think Mick should be "fired" either... at least not yet. It might look bad for attracting a replacement coach if we fire an alum that always wins 20+ games and takes us to the NCAAT every year while running a clean program.
I think it would be best to simply refuse to give him any more raises or contract extensions until he earns them. The next time he pulls a UNLV-type stunt, we should call his bluff and hope that he actually takes their job offer.
UNLV was a great opportunity for both UC and Mick to move forward and try something new. Now, we have to wait for Mick to either miss a few tournaments, get caught in a scandal, or take a job elsewhere... and none of those sound very likely.
I cant agree with this philosophy. Either you have your guy and you want to keep or get rid of him. This is such a typical Cincinnati sports mentality, to just keep him around until he completely bellies up or leaves on his own. This is the same mentality that kept TT around for 4 years when alot of us knew very early on something was wrong.
With that said, Bohn should have his feelers out on who would be a realistic replacement and making a good evaluation on if it is worth taking that step. There is no point in making this move only to make a Pittesque Kevin Stallings hire. He needs to have a Luke Fickell type waiting in the wings.
I can respect that position... if Bohn finds the perfect guy, he should strike immediately. Opportunities like that don't usually last long in the world of coaching.
(11-08-2018 08:43 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: I'll defend him. Last night sucked, but one game causes quite the overreaction around here.
This year is/was/always will be a struggle. We lost our top 3 offensive weapons from a team/program not known for offense. Yes, I wish Mick would hire an offensive-minded assistant. We'll still have success even if he doesn't.
OSU was - what - maybe one of the five best teams we'll play this year? And UC should have won.
It'll take time for this team to gel. They were poised to make the tournament as a 7-11 seed this year, and they're still on track. If you were expecting better with this roster, you're delusional.
meh- to be honest I don't think OSU was very good.
Agree this is a rebound year. As I posted before, the staff hasn't recruited well enough the past two seasons to replace pieces that we knew would be gone.
(This post was last modified: 11-08-2018 08:54 AM by CliftonAve.)
(11-08-2018 08:43 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: I'll defend him. Last night sucked, but one game causes quite the overreaction around here.
This year is/was/always will be a struggle. We lost our top 3 offensive weapons from a team/program not known for offense. Yes, I wish Mick would hire an offensive-minded assistant. We'll still have success even if he doesn't.
OSU was - what - maybe one of the five best teams we'll play this year? And UC should have won.
It'll take time for this team to gel. They were poised to make the tournament as a 7-11 seed this year, and they're still on track. If you were expecting better with this roster, you're delusional.
meh- to be honest I don't think OSU was very good.
Agree this is a rebound year. As I posted before, the staff hasn't recruited well enough the past two seasons to replace pieces that we knew would be gone.
OSU sucks. But they signed a couple guys who learned to shoot a basketball at a young age. We continue to sign brick layers and i'm over it.
(11-08-2018 08:43 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: I'll defend him. Last night sucked, but one game causes quite the overreaction around here.
This year is/was/always will be a struggle. We lost our top 3 offensive weapons from a team/program not known for offense. Yes, I wish Mick would hire an offensive-minded assistant. We'll still have success even if he doesn't.
OSU was - what - maybe one of the five best teams we'll play this year? And UC should have won.
It'll take time for this team to gel. They were poised to make the tournament as a 7-11 seed this year, and they're still on track. If you were expecting better with this roster, you're delusional.
If anybody uses 'Jarron Cumberland' and 'NBA' in the same post again I'm going to throw my monitor out my window. The only shooting guards that shoot as poorly as Jarron and still get drafted can also tear down the rim with their athleticism.
From Cincinnati/UC
Resurrected the program during a difficult time
Over 20 wins last 8 years
NCAA tournament 8 years in a row
Graduates players
Players stay out of trouble
Has sent some players to the NBA
Cons
Only got past the NCAA first round twice
Has trouble recruiting elite talent
Doesn't believe offense makes a difference
Apparent lack of offensive coaching skills
Resistant to change/stubborn
Says a lot of strange things in postgame comments/interviews
Odd substitution patterns
I'll add a couple more Cons:
1. He's divisive. About 1/3 of the fan base think he is the second coming, 1/3 hate him and 1/3 are unhappy but say we have to keep him for now because of the last two seasons, finances, etc.. When you have 2/3 of a fan base feeling indifferent to negative to a coach, how do you expect the casual fans to buy into the program?
2. Sort of related to the first, but not the best with the media. Rick Broering made an insightful comment last year on the Skinny Podcast. He said the reason the media in town covered Xavier better than UC was because Mack was nicer to them. Watch this interview from a couple days ago and see Mick's response to the question at the 1:30 mark. He literally told whomever the interviewer (was that Aly Cohen?) was that she just asked the stupidest question he ever heard in 13 years as coach.
(11-08-2018 08:43 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: I'll defend him. Last night sucked, but one game causes quite the overreaction around here.
This year is/was/always will be a struggle. We lost our top 3 offensive weapons from a team/program not known for offense. Yes, I wish Mick would hire an offensive-minded assistant. We'll still have success even if he doesn't.
OSU was - what - maybe one of the five best teams we'll play this year? And UC should have won.
It'll take time for this team to gel. They were poised to make the tournament as a 7-11 seed this year, and they're still on track. If you were expecting better with this roster, you're delusional.
OSU is projected to miss the tournament
It's too early for tournament projections (even considering I'm projecting UC to still make the tournament ha). OSU wasn't supposed to make it last year, and they finished top 25 in off and def efficiency. They have a stud coach; they'll be fine.
It doesn't excuse the loss; the Bearcats should have won. The sky's also not falling.
(11-08-2018 08:43 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: I'll defend him. Last night sucked, but one game causes quite the overreaction around here.
This year is/was/always will be a struggle. We lost our top 3 offensive weapons from a team/program not known for offense. Yes, I wish Mick would hire an offensive-minded assistant. We'll still have success even if he doesn't.
OSU was - what - maybe one of the five best teams we'll play this year? And UC should have won.
It'll take time for this team to gel. They were poised to make the tournament as a 7-11 seed this year, and they're still on track. If you were expecting better with this roster, you're delusional.
OSU is projected to miss the tournament
It's too early for tournament projections (even considering I'm projecting UC to still make the tournament ha). OSU wasn't supposed to make it last year, and they finished top 25 in off and def efficiency. They have a stud coach; they'll be fine.
It doesn't excuse the loss; the Bearcats should have won. The sky's also not falling.
while the sky isnt falling, mick has reached his ceiling and the book is on the shelf if you want to read it again. some of the chapters in the middle are a bit different, but the ending is the same. Marvin Lewis actually wrote the same book
(This post was last modified: 11-08-2018 09:43 AM by coachpipe.)
From Cincinnati/UC
Resurrected the program during a difficult time
Over 20 wins last 8 years
NCAA tournament 8 years in a row
Graduates players
Players stay out of trouble
Has sent some players to the NBA
Cons
Only got past the NCAA first round twice
Has trouble recruiting elite talent
Doesn't believe offense makes a difference
Apparent lack of offensive coaching skills
Resistant to change/stubborn
Says a lot of strange things in postgame comments/interviews
Odd substitution patterns
I'll add a couple more Cons:
1. He's divisive. About 1/3 of the fan base think he is the second coming, 1/3 hate him and 1/3 are unhappy but say we have to keep him for now because of the last two seasons, finances, etc.. When you have 2/3 of a fan base feeling indifferent to negative to a coach, how do you expect the casual fans to buy into the program?
2. Sort of related to the first, but not the best with the media. Rick Broering made an insightful comment last year on the Skinny Podcast. He said the reason the media in town covered Xavier better than UC was because Mack was nicer to them. Watch this interview from a couple days ago and see Mick's response to the question at the 1:30 mark. He literally told whomever the interviewer (was that Aly Cohen?) was that she just asked the stupidest question he ever heard in 13 years as coach.
Regarding your #2, I think he handled this question pretty well and answered other questions for her. But I agree there have definitely been questions where he didn't handle his response well.
He is a polarizing guy for sure. So is Calipari and Pitino, but those two have more cache that they've earned with postseason success.
From Cincinnati/UC
Resurrected the program during a difficult time
Over 20 wins last 8 years
NCAA tournament 8 years in a row
Graduates players
Players stay out of trouble
Has sent some players to the NBA
Cons
Only got past the NCAA first round twice
Has trouble recruiting elite talent
Doesn't believe offense makes a difference
Apparent lack of offensive coaching skills
Resistant to change/stubborn
Says a lot of strange things in postgame comments/interviews
Odd substitution patterns
I'll add a couple more Cons:
1. He's divisive. About 1/3 of the fan base think he is the second coming, 1/3 hate him and 1/3 are unhappy but say we have to keep him for now because of the last two seasons, finances, etc.. When you have 2/3 of a fan base feeling indifferent to negative to a coach, how do you expect the casual fans to buy into the program?
2. Sort of related to the first, but not the best with the media. Rick Broering made an insightful comment last year on the Skinny Podcast. He said the reason the media in town covered Xavier better than UC was because Mack was nicer to them. Watch this interview from a couple days ago and see Mick's response to the question at the 1:30 mark. He literally told whomever the interviewer (was that Aly Cohen?) was that she just asked the stupidest question he ever heard in 13 years as coach.
Regarding your #2, I think he handled this question pretty well and answered other questions for her. But I agree there have definitely been questions where he didn't handle his response well.
He is a polarizing guy for sure. So is Calipari and Pitino, but those two have more cache that they've earned with postseason success.
I want somebody who takes winning serious. Winning when it matters. He's way too meta. The health scare and consistently losing the big game has made him that way. And now we have to act like the spoiled a**hole fans who think we deserve better. I DON'T LIKE BEING THIS WAY GUYS.
(This post was last modified: 11-08-2018 09:58 AM by DownOnRohs.)
(11-07-2018 09:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: Our best player wasn't hurt. He was out because our coach chose to sit him.
Didn’t say he was hurt he got 2 quick fouls.
He can play with two fouls. He played the entire second half with two fouls.
If Mick had the luxury to bench Cumberland then I would be fine with the 2 foul rule. But when he is the only scoring option you suck it up and play him.
7-17 just trash offense on the whole dam team.
It's talent. Period. This staff doesn't recruit well enough. They love these projects with no ability to get the ball in the basket. We have one highly rated guy on the returning roster and of course it's Cumberland. The others weren't wanted by anyone and it shows why.