Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
bearcatlawjd2 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,377
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation: 44
I Root For: UC
Location:
Post: #1121
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
(03-16-2019 08:41 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  buffalo pulling away, they are really good. still can’t give them better than an 8 seed. Played only 5 top 100 teams all year. Went 1-1 against tournament teams. You can’t give a mid-major a better seed than an 8 if you play 25 games against quad 3, quad 4, and non division one opponents. best win is syracuse and then toledo twice.

If Wofford, Nevada, or Buffalo are seeded higher than Cincinnati then who you play doesn’t matter. Tomorrow will be UC’s 23 game agiant top 100 competition. That is the difference between playing a mid major and a high major schedule.

Buffalo is 31-3. They'd be a 3-4 point favorite against UC on a neutral court. They are better than UC. I'd have no issue if the committee rewarded them.

I would. Then let a computer seed teams. 5 too 100 games all year. UC list one sub 200 clunker, Buffalo list two sub 100 clunkers. UC margin of victory in against sub 100 teams was over 20 points. It was about 15 points a game in teams 101 to 160. Playing bad equals blowouts win which increases efficiency.

Rewarding teams for beating bad teams goes agiant everything the committee has always done.
 
03-16-2019 08:50 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatmark Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 17,461
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 272
I Root For: the Deliverator
Location:
Post: #1122
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
(03-16-2019 08:50 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:41 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  buffalo pulling away, they are really good. still can’t give them better than an 8 seed. Played only 5 top 100 teams all year. Went 1-1 against tournament teams. You can’t give a mid-major a better seed than an 8 if you play 25 games against quad 3, quad 4, and non division one opponents. best win is syracuse and then toledo twice.

If Wofford, Nevada, or Buffalo are seeded higher than Cincinnati then who you play doesn’t matter. Tomorrow will be UC’s 23 game agiant top 100 competition. That is the difference between playing a mid major and a high major schedule.

Buffalo is 31-3. They'd be a 3-4 point favorite against UC on a neutral court. They are better than UC. I'd have no issue if the committee rewarded them.

I would. Then let a computer seed teams. 5 too 100 games all year. UC list one sub 200 clunker, Buffalo list two sub 100 clunkers. UC margin of victory in against sub 100 teams was over 20 points. It was about 15 points a game in teams 101 to 160. Playing bad equals blowouts win which increases efficiency.

Rewarding teams for beating bad teams goes agiant everything the committee has always done.

There are good strength of record statistics that account for that. Buffalo is 18 in BPI Strength of Record for example. Small conference teams don't play the same schedules as teams from better conferences, but that doesn't mean what they accomplsih against their particular schedule can't be compared to what other teams aaccomplish against theirs. Strength of Record metrics do a a good job of this. Buffalo is a strong team. Underseeding them would penalize whatever team draws them. It would be absurd for a 1 seed to have to deal with Buffalo in the second round.
 
03-16-2019 08:56 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatlawjd2 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,377
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation: 44
I Root For: UC
Location:
Post: #1123
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
(03-16-2019 08:56 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:50 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:41 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(03-16-2019 08:35 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  buffalo pulling away, they are really good. still can’t give them better than an 8 seed. Played only 5 top 100 teams all year. Went 1-1 against tournament teams. You can’t give a mid-major a better seed than an 8 if you play 25 games against quad 3, quad 4, and non division one opponents. best win is syracuse and then toledo twice.

If Wofford, Nevada, or Buffalo are seeded higher than Cincinnati then who you play doesn’t matter. Tomorrow will be UC’s 23 game agiant top 100 competition. That is the difference between playing a mid major and a high major schedule.

Buffalo is 31-3. They'd be a 3-4 point favorite against UC on a neutral court. They are better than UC. I'd have no issue if the committee rewarded them.

I would. Then let a computer seed teams. 5 too 100 games all year. UC list one sub 200 clunker, Buffalo list two sub 100 clunkers. UC margin of victory in against sub 100 teams was over 20 points. It was about 15 points a game in teams 101 to 160. Playing bad equals blowouts win which increases efficiency.

Rewarding teams for beating bad teams goes agiant everything the committee has always done.

There are good strength of record statistics that account for that. Buffalo is 18 in BPI Strength of Record for example. Small conference teams don't play the same schedules as teams from better conferences, but that doesn't mean what they accomplsih against their particular schedule can't be compared to what other teams aaccomplish against theirs. Strength of Record metrics do a a good job of this. Buffalo is a strong team. Underseeding them would penalize whatever team draws them. It would be absurd for a 1 seed to have to deal with Buffalo in the second round.

I would give them a 7 seed. Only five top 100 games. That’s a junk schedule. 31 wins and only 4 came against top 100 teams. I have never seen the committee seed a team with such a low number of quality games anything better than an 8 seed. If they want to go with NET or Kenpom, great. Then apply it consistently and seed teams based on computers.
 
03-16-2019 09:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatlawjd2 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,377
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation: 44
I Root For: UC
Location:
Post: #1124
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
In my view Utah State has a better resume than Buffalo. Only one sub 100 loss. Their three quad are over two tournament teams and maybe a third if UCSB wins late tonight. Played 11 top games. Once again Buffalo player only five in quad 1 and upper quad 2. Utah State played 8. Cincinnati played 14.

I hope UC wins tomorrow so we are stuck on the 7 line but somebody on that committee needs to look at that actual resumes for these teams. I keep thinkinf they benifitd by beating over rated name teams name early in the year because their overall profile is full junk wins.
 
03-16-2019 10:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatlawjd2 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,377
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation: 44
I Root For: UC
Location:
Post: #1125
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
Mid-majors with great computer metrics have under seeded in the last six or seven years. I would shocked if this trend changes this year. It’s why I can’t see Buffalo, Wofford, Nevada, or any other non-Gonzaga mid-major higher than a seven. The American occupies that middle ground but I think Houston will get the two seed and Cincinnati a six. If UC loses and is on the 7 line, it’s going to be because power conferences schools with elite wins like Louisville, Nova, Maryland, and company are ahead of UC and not the mid-majors.
 
03-16-2019 10:47 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bruce Monnin Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,840
Joined: Feb 2006
Reputation: 70
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location: Minster, Ohio
Post: #1126
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
Houston gets "mid-majored" down to a 3 seed. No way Houston gets seeded above any of these:
Duke
Virginia
North Carolina
Tennessee
Michigan
Michigan State
Gonzaga

Houston's only hope is to be put ahead of Kentucky.
 
03-17-2019 08:29 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BcatMatt13 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,251
Joined: Apr 2007
Reputation: 78
I Root For: The Bearcats
Location:
Post: #1127
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
A conference tournament and a 6 seed would be a good St. Patrick's Day
 
03-17-2019 08:31 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BearcatMan Offline
Kicking Connoisseur/Occasional Man Crush
*

Posts: 13,051
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation: 184
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #1128
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
(03-17-2019 08:29 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Houston gets "mid-majored" down to a 3 seed. No way Houston gets seeded above any of these:
Duke
Virginia
North Carolina
Tennessee
Michigan
Michigan State
Gonzaga

Houston's only hope is to be put ahead of Kentucky.

I dont think that's mid-majoring them...they just downright shouldn't be ranked above any of those teams based on their resume.
 
03-17-2019 09:16 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
jarr Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,260
Joined: Mar 2004
Reputation: 62
I Root For: Not "Not Duane"
Location:
Post: #1129
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
I think it would be one thing if they lost to St. Marys on a buzzer beater type game, but they simply got whooped by a team that looked better. I am not sold on Gonzagas overall resume at this point, really nice win against Duke, but outside of that their resume isn't far off from being ours.
 
03-17-2019 09:24 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tymanh99 Offline
March In Four Words
*

Posts: 4,356
Joined: Jul 2004
Reputation: 89
I Root For: UC/Bob Huggins
Location: UC

Donators
Post: #1130
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
(03-17-2019 08:31 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  A conference tournament and a 6 seed would be a good St. Patrick's Day

04-cheers04-cheers
 
03-17-2019 09:25 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatmark Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 17,461
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 272
I Root For: the Deliverator
Location:
Post: #1131
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
(03-17-2019 09:16 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2019 08:29 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Houston gets "mid-majored" down to a 3 seed. No way Houston gets seeded above any of these:
Duke
Virginia
North Carolina
Tennessee
Michigan
Michigan State
Gonzaga

Houston's only hope is to be put ahead of Kentucky.

I dont think that's mid-majoring them...they just downright shouldn't be ranked above any of those teams based on their resume.

Eh. Their resume is closer to a 1 seed than a 3. Their q1/q2 record is great
 
03-17-2019 09:30 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BearcatMan Offline
Kicking Connoisseur/Occasional Man Crush
*

Posts: 13,051
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation: 184
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #1132
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
(03-17-2019 09:30 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(03-17-2019 09:16 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2019 08:29 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Houston gets "mid-majored" down to a 3 seed. No way Houston gets seeded above any of these:
Duke
Virginia
North Carolina
Tennessee
Michigan
Michigan State
Gonzaga

Houston's only hope is to be put ahead of Kentucky.

I dont think that's mid-majoring them...they just downright shouldn't be ranked above any of those teams based on their resume.

Eh. Their resume is closer to a 1 seed than a 3. Their q1/q2 record is great

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I dont value beating the 75th ranked team in the nation away as much as the NET does...especially when that gym is 1/4 full.

Their record in all categories is going to be great by virtue of them only having 2 losses...just like all the other teams listed with 4-5 losses. To me, all of those teams have better wins AND better teams against typically much better schedules, thus, they're not being mid majored.
 
(This post was last modified: 03-17-2019 09:47 AM by BearcatMan.)
03-17-2019 09:45 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatmark Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 17,461
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 272
I Root For: the Deliverator
Location:
Post: #1133
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
Ivy league championship has been great
 
03-17-2019 12:25 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BearcatMan Offline
Kicking Connoisseur/Occasional Man Crush
*

Posts: 13,051
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation: 184
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #1134
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
(03-17-2019 12:25 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Ivy league championship has been great

Harvard not having Seth Towns (their best player, Ivy League POY last year as a sophomore, and a 4* SF from Columbus, OH) really hurt them this season. I love Ivy League...I feel like the games are all super entertaining.
 
03-17-2019 01:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Billy_Bearcat Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 13,875
Joined: Mar 2004
Reputation: 145
I Root For: UC Bearcats
Location:

Donators
Post: #1135
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
This Tennessee Auburn game has turned into a 3pt clinic
 
03-17-2019 01:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatmark Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 17,461
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 272
I Root For: the Deliverator
Location:
Post: #1136
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
(03-17-2019 01:36 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  This Tennessee Auburn game has turned into a 3pt clinic

I think Auburn was picked to win the league preseason. They are going to be a scary draw for someone.
 
03-17-2019 02:11 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
mptnstr@44 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,569
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 253
I Root For: Nati Bearcats
Location:
Post: #1137
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
(03-17-2019 02:11 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(03-17-2019 01:36 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  This Tennessee Auburn game has turned into a 3pt clinic

I think Auburn was picked to win the league preseason. They are going to be a scary draw for someone.

I think Bruce Pearl wanted that one bad. Glad he got it.
 
03-17-2019 02:21 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
icecat21 Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 158
Joined: Nov 2014
Reputation: 3
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #1138
RE: 2018-2019 College Hoops Thread
So with the injury to a Michigan State player, what does that do to their seed in the NCAA?
 
03-17-2019 03:21 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2019 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2019 MyBB Group.