I would make one change in the FBS, but it's a big one. I would create one new conference, and leave all the others unchanged except for the movement to this new conference.

I haven't come up with a name for this new conference yet, but it would have two divisions: Southeast and Northwest.

Southeast Division:

Alabama
Clemson
Oklahoma
LSU
Florida State
Georgia
Auburn
Florida
Texas

Northwest Division:

Ohio State
Stanford
Wisconsin
Southern Cal
Oregon
Washington
Notre Dame
Penn State
Michigan

Teams in both divisions are listed in order of each team's 10 year weighted average Sagarin rank. They would play a balanced 4 home/4 away schedule within their division, with no crossovers except mutually agreed to OOC games.

This conference would opt out of the CFP, electing instead to have a four team CCG. They would contract with individual bowls (including the NY6) allowing for the possibilty of playing teams from the other division in the post season.

The Southeast division's 10 year Sagarin average would be 87 and the Northwest's would be 85.

The other 10 conferences would still appear to be split along P5 and G5 lines, except the money differential would be a lot smaller. Their 10 year Sagarin averages would be:

SEC 76
B12 75
ACC 74
PAC 73
B1G 71

AAC 66
MWC 63
MAC 59
SUN 58
USA 58


What do you think we should call this new conference?

(11-06-2018 05:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  I would make one change in the FBS, but it's a big one. I would create one new conference, and leave all the others unchanged except for the movement to this new conference.

I haven't come up with a name for this new conference yet, but it would have two divisions: Southeast and Northwest.

Southeast Division:

Alabama
Clemson
Oklahoma
LSU
Florida State
Georgia
Auburn
Florida
Texas

Northwest Division:

Ohio State
Stanford
Wisconsin
Southern Cal
Oregon
Washington
Notre Dame
Penn State
Michigan

Teams in both divisions are listed in order of each team's 10 year weighted average Sagarin rank. They would play a balanced 4 home/4 away schedule within their division, with no crossovers except mutually agreed to OOC games.

This conference would opt out of the CFP, electing instead to have a four team CCG. They would contract with individual bowls (including the NY6) allowing for the possibilty of playing teams from the other division in the post season.

The Southeast division's 10 year Sagarin average would be 87 and the Northwest's would be 85.

The other 10 conferences would still appear to be split along P5 and G5 lines, except the money differential would be a lot smaller. Their 10 year Sagarin averages would be:

SEC 76
B12 75
ACC 74
PAC 73
B1G 71

AAC 66
MWC 63
MAC 59
SUN 58
USA 58


What do you think we should call this new conference?

The BMD 18

m

(11-06-2018 05:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  I would make one change in the FBS, but it's a big one. I would create one new conference, and leave all the others unchanged except for the movement to this new conference.

I haven't come up with a name for this new conference yet, but it would have two divisions: Southeast and Northwest.

Southeast Division:

Alabama
Clemson
Oklahoma
LSU
Florida State
Georgia
Auburn
Florida
Texas

Northwest Division:

Ohio State
Stanford
Wisconsin
Southern Cal
Oregon
Washington
Notre Dame
Penn State
Michigan

Teams in both divisions are listed in order of each team's 10 year weighted average Sagarin rank. They would play a balanced 4 home/4 away schedule within their division, with no crossovers except mutually agreed to OOC games.

This conference would opt out of the CFP, electing instead to have a four team CCG. They would contract with individual bowls (including the NY6) allowing for the possibilty of playing teams from the other division in the post season.

The Southeast division's 10 year Sagarin average would be 87 and the Northwest's would be 85.

The other 10 conferences would still appear to be split along P5 and G5 lines, except the money differential would be a lot smaller. Their 10 year Sagarin averages would be:

SEC 76
B12 75
ACC 74
PAC 73
B1G 71

AAC 66
MWC 63
MAC 59
SUN 58
USA 58


What do you think we should call this new conference?

That would leave:
ACC with 12 teams (and without Notre Dame)
SEC with 9 teams
B1G with 10 teams
Big 12 with 8 teams
PAC 12 with 8 teams

Would there be any other redistribution to even up the conferences left behind?

(11-07-2018 08:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  That would leave:
ACC with 12 teams (and without Notre Dame)
SEC with 9 teams
B1G with 10 teams
Big 12 with 8 teams
PAC 12 with 8 teams

Would there be any other redistribution to even up the conferences left behind?

I imagine that would be up to the individual conferences. The beauty of this is that all those conferences (and all G5 conferences) could function perfectly well without further changes. Except for the ACC, the other autonomous (P5) conferences could play a full round robin schedule.

(11-07-2018 08:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 08:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  That would leave:
ACC with 12 teams (and without Notre Dame)
SEC with 9 teams
B1G with 10 teams
Big 12 with 8 teams
PAC 12 with 8 teams

Would there be any other redistribution to even up the conferences left behind?

I imagine that would be up to the individual conferences. The beauty of this is that all those conferences (and all G5 conferences) could function perfectly well without further changes. Except for the ACC, the other autonomous (P5) conferences could play a full round robin schedule.

Works better this way:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers MD, WVa, Vt, Louisville

UVa, Duke, NC State, WF, Carolina, South Carolina GT, Miami

KY, Tenn, Vandy, Ole Miss, MSU, A&M Ark, Mizzou

Mich St., Purdue, Ind., Ill., NW, Iowa, Iowa State, Minn.

Neb, Kansas, KSU, OSU, Colorado, TT, TCU, Baylor

WSU, OSU, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Utah, BYU

(11-07-2018 09:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 08:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 08:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  That would leave:
ACC with 12 teams (and without Notre Dame)
SEC with 9 teams
B1G with 10 teams
Big 12 with 8 teams
PAC 12 with 8 teams

Would there be any other redistribution to even up the conferences left behind?

I imagine that would be up to the individual conferences. The beauty of this is that all those conferences (and all G5 conferences) could function perfectly well without further changes. Except for the ACC, the other autonomous (P5) conferences could play a full round robin schedule.

Works better this way:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers MD, WVa, Vt, Louisville

UVa, Duke, NC State, WF, Carolina, South Carolina GT, Miami

KY, Tenn, Vandy, Ole Miss, MSU, A&M Ark, Mizzou

Mich St., Purdue, Ind., Ill., NW, Iowa, Iowa State, Minn.

Neb, Kansas, KSU, OSU, Colorado, TT, TCU, Baylor

WSU, OSU, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Utah, BYU

Only if that's what the individual schools want. I suspect some of them don't.

But back to the OP. What do we call this new conference? How about National Collegiate Football League?

(11-07-2018 09:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 08:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 08:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  That would leave:
ACC with 12 teams (and without Notre Dame)
SEC with 9 teams
B1G with 10 teams
Big 12 with 8 teams
PAC 12 with 8 teams

Would there be any other redistribution to even up the conferences left behind?

I imagine that would be up to the individual conferences. The beauty of this is that all those conferences (and all G5 conferences) could function perfectly well without further changes. Except for the ACC, the other autonomous (P5) conferences could play a full round robin schedule.

Works better this way:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers MD, WVa, Vt, Louisville

UVa, Duke, NC State, WF, Carolina, South Carolina GT, Miami

KY, Tenn, Vandy, Ole Miss, MSU, A&M Ark, Mizzou

Mich St., Purdue, Ind., Ill., NW, Iowa, Iowa State, Minn.

Neb, Kansas, KSU, OSU, Colorado, TT, TCU, Baylor

WSU, OSU, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Utah, BYU

How about this instead?

ACC: Duke, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, NC State, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Big 8: Baylor, BYU, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech

Big Ten: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue

EAC: Boston College, Louisville, Maryland, Miami-FL, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia

Pac-8: Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, Oregon State, UCLA, Utah, Washington State

SEC: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt

I think this better reflects the individual schools' desired destinations.

(11-07-2018 10:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 08:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 08:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  That would leave:
ACC with 12 teams (and without Notre Dame)
SEC with 9 teams
B1G with 10 teams
Big 12 with 8 teams
PAC 12 with 8 teams

Would there be any other redistribution to even up the conferences left behind?

I imagine that would be up to the individual conferences. The beauty of this is that all those conferences (and all G5 conferences) could function perfectly well without further changes. Except for the ACC, the other autonomous (P5) conferences could play a full round robin schedule.

Works better this way:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers MD, WVa, Vt, Louisville

UVa, Duke, NC State, WF, Carolina, South Carolina GT, Miami

KY, Tenn, Vandy, Ole Miss, MSU, A&M Ark, Mizzou

Mich St., Purdue, Ind., Ill., NW, Iowa, Iowa State, Minn.

Neb, Kansas, KSU, OSU, Colorado, TT, TCU, Baylor

WSU, OSU, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Utah, BYU

Only if that's what the individual schools want. I suspect some of them don't.

But back to the OP. What do we call this new conference? How about National Collegiate Football League?

South Carolina is more likely to drop athletics than to rejoin a conference dominated by Tobacco Road. Football is far too important in Columbia to join with a bunch of basketball schools. They would stick with the rump SEC.

(11-07-2018 12:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 08:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 08:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  That would leave:
ACC with 12 teams (and without Notre Dame)
SEC with 9 teams
B1G with 10 teams
Big 12 with 8 teams
PAC 12 with 8 teams

Would there be any other redistribution to even up the conferences left behind?

I imagine that would be up to the individual conferences. The beauty of this is that all those conferences (and all G5 conferences) could function perfectly well without further changes. Except for the ACC, the other autonomous (P5) conferences could play a full round robin schedule.

Works better this way:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers MD, WVa, Vt, Louisville

UVa, Duke, NC State, WF, Carolina, South Carolina GT, Miami

KY, Tenn, Vandy, Ole Miss, MSU, A&M Ark, Mizzou

Mich St., Purdue, Ind., Ill., NW, Iowa, Iowa State, Minn.

Neb, Kansas, KSU, OSU, Colorado, TT, TCU, Baylor

WSU, OSU, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Utah, BYU

Only if that's what the individual schools want. I suspect some of them don't.

But back to the OP. What do we call this new conference? How about National Collegiate Football League?

South Carolina is more likely to drop athletics than to rejoin a conference dominated by Tobacco Road. Football is far too important in Columbia to join with a bunch of basketball schools. They would stick with the rump SEC.

It really won't matter where 'lil carolina ends up, they will never win anything anyway.

(11-07-2018 12:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 12:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 08:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  I imagine that would be up to the individual conferences. The beauty of this is that all those conferences (and all G5 conferences) could function perfectly well without further changes. Except for the ACC, the other autonomous (P5) conferences could play a full round robin schedule.

Works better this way:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers MD, WVa, Vt, Louisville

UVa, Duke, NC State, WF, Carolina, South Carolina GT, Miami

KY, Tenn, Vandy, Ole Miss, MSU, A&M Ark, Mizzou

Mich St., Purdue, Ind., Ill., NW, Iowa, Iowa State, Minn.

Neb, Kansas, KSU, OSU, Colorado, TT, TCU, Baylor

WSU, OSU, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Utah, BYU

Only if that's what the individual schools want. I suspect some of them don't.

But back to the OP. What do we call this new conference? How about National Collegiate Football League?

South Carolina is more likely to drop athletics than to rejoin a conference dominated by Tobacco Road. Football is far too important in Columbia to join with a bunch of basketball schools. They would stick with the rump SEC.

It really won't matter where 'lil carolina ends up, they will never win anything anyway.

If they were to join the rump ACC they could at least count on a win every year against UNC. Even in a year that UNC has their best season since the turn of the century a 3 win coot team that even lost to The Citadel they beat UNC. What is it? Three in a row and four of the last five? Seven of the last ten? Maybe the lil' carolina moniker is best reserved for the ones wearing sissy blue.

(11-06-2018 05:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  I would make one change in the FBS, but it's a big one. I would create one new conference, and leave all the others unchanged except for the movement to this new conference.

I haven't come up with a name for this new conference yet, but it would have two divisions: Southeast and Northwest.

Southeast Division:

Alabama
Clemson
Oklahoma
LSU
Florida State
Georgia
Auburn
Florida
Texas

Northwest Division:

Ohio State
Stanford
Wisconsin
Southern Cal
Oregon
Washington
Notre Dame
Penn State
Michigan

Teams in both divisions are listed in order of each team's 10 year weighted average Sagarin rank. They would play a balanced 4 home/4 away schedule within their division, with no crossovers except mutually agreed to OOC games.

This conference would opt out of the CFP, electing instead to have a four team CCG. They would contract with individual bowls (including the NY6) allowing for the possibilty of playing teams from the other division in the post season.

The Southeast division's 10 year Sagarin average would be 87 and the Northwest's would be 85.

The other 10 conferences would still appear to be split along P5 and G5 lines, except the money differential would be a lot smaller. Their 10 year Sagarin averages would be:

SEC 76
B12 75
ACC 74
PAC 73
B1G 71

AAC 66
MWC 63
MAC 59
SUN 58
USA 58


What do you think we should call this new conference?

Not picking on you here Ken D but I can't foresee any kind of breakaway elite level without Texas A&M and a few others. You might want to make this a BMD 20 or even 24 to be realistic.

First, Sagarin isn't the end all and be all of indicators. Winning alone doesn't pay the bills. I would submit that the most likely breakaway stat that makes sense is the one that indicates spending on the sport and relies upon earnings in the sport. These are the schools who are committed to college football where it counts the most, the wallet.

So from the SEC we would be missing not only A&M but Tennessee. I'd put South Carolina and Arkansas on the bubble.

From the Big 10 I would include Michigan State, Nebraska, and Iowa.

You need a growth element to draw in the Central Atlantic and Virginia Tech fits that role.

Now you have 24 that include more of the essential core of your new core. The new core very obviously is the cream of the SEC and Big 10.

The old names of the PAC are there to draw in a region even though they spend and earn far less than the Eastern schools.

The question becomes where to place Notre Dame. I think in this case the Western group is the best because it provides them two annual rivals and since only 5 games come from that grouping and every other year it would include 3 road games it still leaves them a considerable pool of top Southern and Eastern and Midwestern names to rotate through their annual schedule. Nebraska then becomes a bridge add to the West.

So, maybe we get something like this instead:

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Virginia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin

Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

(11-07-2018 03:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You might want to make this a BMD 20 or even 24 to be realistic.

I've been dying to ask. What does the BMD stand for? Big Media Deal?

(11-07-2018 04:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 03:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You might want to make this a BMD 20 or even 24 to be realistic.

I've been dying to ask. What does the BMD stand for? Big Media Deal?

Big Money Donors

(11-07-2018 02:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 12:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 12:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  Works better this way:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers MD, WVa, Vt, Louisville

UVa, Duke, NC State, WF, Carolina, South Carolina GT, Miami

KY, Tenn, Vandy, Ole Miss, MSU, A&M Ark, Mizzou

Mich St., Purdue, Ind., Ill., NW, Iowa, Iowa State, Minn.

Neb, Kansas, KSU, OSU, Colorado, TT, TCU, Baylor

WSU, OSU, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, ASU, Utah, BYU

Only if that's what the individual schools want. I suspect some of them don't.

But back to the OP. What do we call this new conference? How about National Collegiate Football League?

South Carolina is more likely to drop athletics than to rejoin a conference dominated by Tobacco Road. Football is far too important in Columbia to join with a bunch of basketball schools. They would stick with the rump SEC.

It really won't matter where 'lil carolina ends up, they will never win anything anyway.

If they were to join the rump ACC they could at least count on a win every year against UNC. Even in a year that UNC has their best season since the turn of the century a 3 win coot team that even lost to The Citadel they beat UNC. What is it? Three in a row and four of the last five? Seven of the last ten? Maybe the lil' carolina moniker is best reserved for the ones wearing sissy blue.

34-19-4

(11-07-2018 04:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 02:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 12:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 12:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  Only if that's what the individual schools want. I suspect some of them don't.

But back to the OP. What do we call this new conference? How about National Collegiate Football League?

South Carolina is more likely to drop athletics than to rejoin a conference dominated by Tobacco Road. Football is far too important in Columbia to join with a bunch of basketball schools. They would stick with the rump SEC.

It really won't matter where 'lil carolina ends up, they will never win anything anyway.

If they were to join the rump ACC they could at least count on a win every year against UNC. Even in a year that UNC has their best season since the turn of the century a 3 win coot team that even lost to The Citadel they beat UNC. What is it? Three in a row and four of the last five? Seven of the last ten? Maybe the lil' carolina moniker is best reserved for the ones wearing sissy blue.

34-19-4

What's the record since they left the ACC?

(11-07-2018 03:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 05:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  I would make one change in the FBS, but it's a big one. I would create one new conference, and leave all the others unchanged except for the movement to this new conference.

I haven't come up with a name for this new conference yet, but it would have two divisions: Southeast and Northwest.

Southeast Division:

Alabama
Clemson
Oklahoma
LSU
Florida State
Georgia
Auburn
Florida
Texas

Northwest Division:

Ohio State
Stanford
Wisconsin
Southern Cal
Oregon
Washington
Notre Dame
Penn State
Michigan

Teams in both divisions are listed in order of each team's 10 year weighted average Sagarin rank. They would play a balanced 4 home/4 away schedule within their division, with no crossovers except mutually agreed to OOC games.

This conference would opt out of the CFP, electing instead to have a four team CCG. They would contract with individual bowls (including the NY6) allowing for the possibilty of playing teams from the other division in the post season.

The Southeast division's 10 year Sagarin average would be 87 and the Northwest's would be 85.

The other 10 conferences would still appear to be split along P5 and G5 lines, except the money differential would be a lot smaller. Their 10 year Sagarin averages would be:

SEC 76
B12 75
ACC 74
PAC 73
B1G 71

AAC 66
MWC 63
MAC 59
SUN 58
USA 58


What do you think we should call this new conference?

Not picking on you here Ken D but I can't foresee any kind of breakaway elite level without Texas A&M and a few others. You might want to make this a BMD 20 or even 24 to be realistic.

First, Sagarin isn't the end all and be all of indicators. Winning alone doesn't pay the bills. I would submit that the most likely breakaway stat that makes sense is the one that indicates spending on the sport and relies upon earnings in the sport. These are the schools who are committed to college football where it counts the most, the wallet.

So from the SEC we would be missing not only A&M but Tennessee. I'd put South Carolina and Arkansas on the bubble.

From the Big 10 I would include Michigan State, Nebraska, and Iowa.

You need a growth element to draw in the Central Atlantic and Virginia Tech fits that role.

Now you have 24 that include more of the essential core of your new core. The new core very obviously is the cream of the SEC and Big 10.

The old names of the PAC are there to draw in a region even though they spend and earn far less than the Eastern schools.

The question becomes where to place Notre Dame. I think in this case the Western group is the best because it provides them two annual rivals and since only 5 games come from that grouping and every other year it would include 3 road games it still leaves them a considerable pool of top Southern and Eastern and Midwestern names to rotate through their annual schedule. Nebraska then becomes a bridge add to the West.

So, maybe we get something like this instead:

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Virginia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin

Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

I'm not trying to facilitate a breakaway. I'm searching for a middle ground that lets the majority of the higher resource schools continue to have a relatively level playing field in which they can play against most of the schools they want to play against and play most of their games against competitive peers.

At the same time, I want those schools for whom football is much higher on their priority list to also play more games against their peers, while not losing long standing rivalries against other schools.

I wouldn't mind seeing a division of:

Penn St
Ohio St
Mich
Mich St
Notre Dame
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska

The other division could be 8 elite southern schools or the best of the Big 12/Pac 12.

(11-09-2018 09:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I wouldn't mind seeing a division of:

Penn St
Ohio St
Mich
Mich St
Notre Dame
Wisconsin
Iowa
Notre Dame

The other division could be 8 elite southern schools or the best of the Big 12/Pac 12.

Is the second Notre Dame team from France? The Fightin' Hunchbacks?

(11-09-2018 09:50 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(11-09-2018 09:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I wouldn't mind seeing a division of:

Penn St
Ohio St
Mich
Mich St
Notre Dame
Wisconsin
Iowa
Notre Dame

The other division could be 8 elite southern schools or the best of the Big 12/Pac 12.

Is the second Notre Dame team from France? The Fightin' Hunchbacks?

I meant to type Nebraska. My guess in that Notre Dame College near Cleveland who moved from NAIA to D2 probably can't hang with this group.