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RE: DII Schools in the potential WAC footprint without Football
(11-06-2018 05:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-06-2018 02:39 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Cameron is on Probation for all sports if I remember correctly. Academy of Art simply was in the footprint. My original criteria were simply to identify schools that could potentially move up, they did fit that. I agree that the Alaska and Hawai'i schools are too far afield.

I seem to remember that Westminister had to restart their transition process. They are not done yet with the NAIA-NCAA II process. That is why I did not include them on the list.

I guess what I am seeing is a confirmation that there are not really any schools that just jump out that have not already been discussed. Ad nauseum.


Just checked. Cameron is not on probation.
Central State, Ohio entire program
Seattle Pacific University Entire program until March 9th, 2019
West Texas A&M University Football
Eastern New Mexico University Entire program
Fayetteville State University Women's basketball

Cheney was on the list, but they dropped out of the NCAA. The only school in the footprint that is on probation without football is Seattle Pacific. Not sure you want to double down in the same town. Western Washington and Saint Martin's would be better.

Saint Martin's has under 2K enrollment. They are pushing it for DII.
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My mistake about Cameron, sorry. Also I guess that I am older than I thought. I knew that Westminster originally had some issues with reclassification. I guess they are done with it now.
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RE: DII Schools in the potential WAC footprint without Football
If you wanted to move to the Midwest, say Oklahoma through the Dakotas, here is what you would get.

Kansas
Newman

Oklahoma
Cameron
Oklahoma Christian
Rogers State
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(11-07-2018 08:28 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  If you wanted to move to the Midwest, say Oklahoma through the Dakotas, here is what you would get.

Kansas
Newman

Oklahoma
Cameron
Oklahoma Christian
Rogers State

South Dakota
University of Sioux Falls

If the WAC were to push east, the D2 school the WAC should target is Drury University.

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(11-07-2018 08:28 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  If you wanted to move to the Midwest, say Oklahoma through the Dakotas, here is what you would get.

Kansas
Newman

Oklahoma
Cameron
Oklahoma Christian
Rogers State

South Dakota
University of Sioux Falls

Sioux Falls have football.

UAFS in Fort Smith, Arkansas is in Rogers State's area.
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I guess what all of this has done is show me that there really are not a whole lot of easy move-ups. Metro State is the easiest in lots of ways. Large student population, easy to get to, etc. And no football.
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(11-07-2018 12:52 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  I guess what all of this has done is show me that there really are not a whole lot of easy move-ups. Metro State is the easiest in lots of ways. Large student population, easy to get to, etc. And no football.

Metro State is the obvious choice for the WAC if they're willing to take the leap.

I think Dixie State is seriously considering to join the WAC after seeing former PacWest peers GCU and Cal Baptist make the jump to D1.
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(11-07-2018 01:35 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(11-07-2018 12:52 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  I guess what all of this has done is show me that there really are not a whole lot of easy move-ups. Metro State is the easiest in lots of ways. Large student population, easy to get to, etc. And no football.

Metro State is the obvious choice for the WAC if they're willing to take the leap.

I think Dixie State is seriously considering to join the WAC after seeing former PacWest peers GCU and Cal Baptist make the jump to D1.

If Dixie St joins the WAC should change their name to the W(p)ACWest....
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(11-07-2018 01:37 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  
(11-07-2018 01:35 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(11-07-2018 12:52 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  I guess what all of this has done is show me that there really are not a whole lot of easy move-ups. Metro State is the easiest in lots of ways. Large student population, easy to get to, etc. And no football.

Metro State is the obvious choice for the WAC if they're willing to take the leap.

I think Dixie State is seriously considering to join the WAC after seeing former PacWest peers GCU and Cal Baptist make the jump to D1.

If Dixie St joins the WAC should change their name to the W(p)ACWest....

Since Dixie State doesn't have the revenue stream as privately funded schools GCU and CBU, I think Dixie State will need to have a FCS football program in order to generate revenue for athletics; by playing FBS money games. Ideally, Dixie State would like to place its football program in the Big Sky but it sounds like they are willing to go the independent if need be.
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Well lets get this ball rolling!
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(11-07-2018 05:15 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Well lets get this ball rolling!

For those who need visualization:

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NMSU seems to love the company of lowly rated academic and research schools. Hang out with a bunch of commuter schools and former JC’s.

Any President in that predicament would try to get other higher rated schools in with the lure of FBS, but maybe I’m just too narrow minded.
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Stick to hockey NoDak. 1 NCAA appearance for UND lol. FCS football. Go fantasize about the GNC somewhere else. The WAC doesn't concern you or UND.
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(11-07-2018 10:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  1 NCAA appearance for UND lol. FCS football. Go fantasize about the GNC somewhere else. The WAC doesn't concern you or UND.
One NCAA appearance?

Is that the total number of NCAA appearance outside NMSU in the WAC?*

NMSU can join the Summit anytime as PUFW wants to go elsewhere.

NMSU can join flagship and other land grants and be a travel partner of Denver. All the South Dakota school fan badly want NMSU.

Sure it been discussed, but the WAC has other bigger plans.


*Know that Seattle had big days in the prehistoric times of the Final Four, but then SU dropped out of DI and since coming back has put up a big goose egg.
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(11-07-2018 09:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  NMSU seems to love the company of lowly rated academic and research schools. Hang out with a bunch of commuter schools and former JC’s.

Any President in that predicament would try to get other higher rated schools in with the lure of FBS, but maybe I’m just too narrow minded.

I know that all you are doing is trollings, but I think that you misunderstand NMSU to a great extent. They would much rather be in a conference with like schools, but they want a western centered one. They could have stayed in the Sun Belt, but instead chose to jump to the WAC, when it was full of like institutions. I still think that eventually they will end up in the MWC or CUSA/Sun Belt reorganization and be with like institutions.

For the time being, the WAC is what it is. The overall athletics are getting better. Give UTRGV a few more years and it will have the merger figured out and be a much stronger school as well.
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(11-07-2018 11:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(11-07-2018 10:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  1 NCAA appearance for UND lol. FCS football. Go fantasize about the GNC somewhere else. The WAC doesn't concern you or UND.
One NCAA appearance?

Is that the total number of NCAA appearance outside NMSU in the WAC?*

NMSU can join the Summit anytime as PUFW wants to go elsewhere.

NMSU can join flagship and other land grants and be a travel partner of Denver. All the South Dakota school fan badly want NMSU.

Sure it been discussed, but the WAC has other bigger plans.


*Know that Seattle had big days in the prehistoric times of the Final Four, but then SU dropped out of DI and since coming back has put up a big goose egg.

All the South Dakota school fan(sic) badly want NMSU???? Lmao. Why would they give 2 craps about NMSU? Never been in a conference with them or anything. NMSU isn't a Top 25 hoops program on ESPN every night. You're an idiot.
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(11-08-2018 07:20 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  
(11-07-2018 09:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  NMSU seems to love the company of lowly rated academic and research schools. Hang out with a bunch of commuter schools and former JC’s.

Any President in that predicament would try to get other higher rated schools in with the lure of FBS, but maybe I’m just too narrow minded.

I know that all you are doing is trollings, but I think that you misunderstand NMSU to a great extent. They would much rather be in a conference with like schools, but they want a western centered one. They could have stayed in the Sun Belt, but instead chose to jump to the WAC, when it was full of like institutions. I still think that eventually they will end up in the MWC or CUSA/Sun Belt reorganization and be with like institutions.

For the time being, the WAC is what it is. The overall athletics are getting better. Give UTRGV a few more years and it will have the merger figured out and be a much stronger school as well.
Am only trying to show a Presidents logical viewpoint, but that iseems to be totally rejected here. NMSU had an open offer to the Big Sky and that wasn’t accepted. Idaho and the Montanas are similar flagship and land grants that any NMSU admin would see as a conference fit just based on academics (but not on geography), but somehow Seattle and DII moveups are acceptable?

NMSU is staying in the WAC because a realignment is coming that will be much more justifiable than joining the Big Sky or Summit. It includes UTRGV at FBS, UMKC, GCU, Cal Baptist and new FBS transitioning schools. But new DII moveups, if they happen for the WAC, would only anger NMSU brass and would hasten their leaving the WAC. DII moveups should have happened when Idaho left, not five years later, as that leaves NMSU 10 years wandering in the desert when it actually has a plan.

UTRGV, UVU, and Seattle should be very fearful of their final destination if the WAC is only grasping for straws with DII moveups as NMSU could very well leave and the WAC would then have no autobid. Those DII moveups look a lot like travel partners for the schools in a depleted Big Sky to get by cheaper.
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(11-08-2018 09:04 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(11-07-2018 11:13 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(11-07-2018 10:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  1 NCAA appearance for UND lol. FCS football. Go fantasize about the GNC somewhere else. The WAC doesn't concern you or UND.
One NCAA appearance?

Is that the total number of NCAA appearance outside NMSU in the WAC?*

NMSU can join the Summit anytime as PUFW wants to go elsewhere.

NMSU can join flagship and other land grants and be a travel partner of Denver. All the South Dakota school fan badly want NMSU.

Sure it been discussed, but the WAC has other bigger plans.


*Know that Seattle had big days in the prehistoric times of the Final Four, but then SU dropped out of DI and since coming back has put up a big goose egg.

All the South Dakota school fan(sic) badly want NMSU???? Lmao. Why would they give 2 craps about NMSU? Never been in a conference with them or anything. NMSU isn't a Top 25 hoops program on ESPN every night. You're an idiot.

The South Dakota school fans (USD and SDSU) want NMSU’s basketball program in the Summmit. That is their top choice to strengthen mbb, and Denver has been NMSU’s travel partner if the past.

Double is poster in pain because he only sees CWU becoming Seattle’s travel partner according to his own logic. I see Portland St, but that’s an idiotic assessment according to him.
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(11-07-2018 09:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  NMSU seems to love the company of lowly rated academic and research schools. Hang out with a bunch of commuter schools and former JC’s.

Any President in that predicament would try to get other higher rated schools in with the lure of FBS, but maybe I’m just too narrow minded.

Go away. You add nothing to this board. You know nothing about NMSU, what they "love" or anything else. Nothing you fantasize about has ever come true. You even go so far as to say "Predicted it too early so I’m guilty as charged." yet your predictions have not come true. Seriously, go away.
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(11-08-2018 09:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(11-07-2018 09:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  NMSU seems to love the company of lowly rated academic and research schools. Hang out with a bunch of commuter schools and former JC’s.

Any President in that predicament would try to get other higher rated schools in with the lure of FBS, but maybe I’m just too narrow minded.

Go away. You add nothing to this board. You know nothing about NMSU, what they "love" or anything else. Nothing you fantasize about has ever come true. You even go so far as to say "Predicted it too early so I’m guilty as charged." yet your predictions have not come true. Seriously, go away.
True diversity in bringing in a viewport that is different from yours but logic based.

This board is just a snowflake board when a different logical opinion threatens you when it is intended to show your thinking is so narrow minded.

It’s not worth it to share an opinion with you and others if vindictive are constantly thrown back.
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