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Ouch. St. Edward's (who we play next month in the annual midweek day game) just beat UTSA by 1 point.
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I was in Houston helping a friend with medical issues, and took the opportunity to see the game.

Overall, my impression was of a very young team --- the shot selection seemed baffling for the most part. Saw way too many really bad shots made with 9 secs or more left on the clock -- typically it looked like a young player who wasnt confident in synching with teammates taking it upon themselves and tossing a very rushed shot.

At times there were some really nice offensive efforts -- I remember one really hard drive in that shrank the St Leo defense way in, a quick dish outside to the outside corner just inside the three point, and another quick dish to the top key just outside of the three point with a good long look and resulting score.

I thought 42 played a fantastic game, at least three times there was a quick break from St Leo that he railed back to defend and tip at the the last second, pulling down the errant shot defensive rebound, the rifling it back to midcourt to start Rice breaks.

Another thing I was surprised at was what seemed to be at least one mismatched position/body type. I saw a shot from three feet beyond the three point line from someone who seemingly towered over his Rice teammates --- and I was wondering what the hell a forward was doing taking a shot from there. Ran through the game guide, and it turns it the shooter was 6-7 (or 6-8) and listed as a guard.

First live Rice basketball game I have seen in twenty some odd years.
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I was in Houston helping a friend with medical issues, and took the opportunity to see the game.

Overall, my impression was of a very young team --- the shot selection seemed baffling for the most part. Saw way too many really bad shots made with 9 secs or more left on the clock -- typically it looked like a young player who wasnt confident in synching with teammates taking it upon themselves and tossing a very rushed shot.

At times there were some really nice offensive efforts -- I remember one really hard drive in that shrank the St Leo defense way in, a quick dish outside to the outside corner just inside the three point, and another quick dish to the top key just outside of the three point with a good long look and resulting score.

I thought 42 played a fantastic game, at least three times there was a quick break from St Leo that he railed back to defend and tip at the the last second, pulling down the errant shot defensive rebound, the rifling it back to midcourt to start Rice breaks.

Another thing I was surprised at was what seemed to be at least one mismatched position/body type. I saw a shot from three feet beyond the three point line from someone who seemingly towered over his Rice teammates --- and I was wondering what the hell a forward was doing taking a shot from there. Ran through the game guide, and it turns it the shooter was 6-7 (or 6-8) and listed as a guard.

First live Rice basketball game I have seen in twenty some odd years.

That player is Trey Murphy III. He was a 6'4" guard when we recruited him ad he's now a little over 6'7". The coaches and players say he's the best shooter since Egor. I agree the shot selections weren't the best, but it's early in the season and we're very inexperienced. It seems like Murphy and Peterson will shoot a lot of long 3s though as they have since day 1 of practice.
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(11-05-2018 05:00 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Karlgaard needs to be fired... No matter how you cut it, he's mismanaged our athletic program into oblivion.

1) Football is horrible. Either because he didn't fire Bailiff soon enough, doesn't know how to properly resource a football program in 2018, or because he made a bad hire with Bloomgren. Or a little bit of all of them. I personally think its more the first two than the latter. Bloomgren, while he has his flaws (what coach doesn't), seems like a competent guy.

2) Basketball is worse than ever. No explanation needed as the reasons have been discussed ad nauseam. It's Karlgaard's job to create an atmosphere that student-athletes and coaches want to be a part of... If they don't like that nobody is in the stands, it's JK's job to market to potential fans and get them in the stands. If Rhoades wanted more money, it's JK's job to raise money and make him an offer impossible to refuse. Etc, etc...

3) The baseball debacle. Karlgaard accomplished the rare feat of both pissing off the fans that wanted the OG fired and pissing off the fans that wanted him retained. All while we fall behind in facilities. Thank God Leebron threw the program a bone with the Rice Investment. We appear to be recruiting well ever since.

I'm not a fan of Karlgaard's performance, but I have some thoughts here:

1) Aren't the 25(0) as much/more to blame than Karlgaard? Plus, I seem to recall many, many, many Parliament posters defending Bailiff through the years, up to the end, with terms like "plateaued?", "great recruiter", "gets Rice", "will do better next year", "most bowls", "players love him", et cetera...et cetera... Those few posters who pointed to his inferior performance, watered down competition, in-game mismanagement, optics, et cetera... were regularly and vehemently shouted down. Yes, Karlgaard should have fired Bailiff long ago, but no it's not all his fault. Jury's still out on Bloomgren, first year and all. His major accomplishment of beating the FCS team in his Game 1 still puts him ahead of Bailiff for the moment. And no I'm not happy with what has transpired this year, or the national image we're getting because of it.

2) Rhoades was always going to go from here...anyone who saw Thompson before him knew that. It's not his fault that VCU job happened to open twice and the second time he took it. It was a no-brainer. Now, I am pissed that he took two players there with him, which was bad form. The rest didn't seem to want to be here for whatever reason, and I'm not for that. I don't fault Egor since he transferred in here in the first place, got his degree, and rightly sought to gain better exposure afterwards at a great showcase for him at Florida. Can't hold that against him. Bad for m on the players who cheered Pera in that hiring video and then bolted. Still not sure what we have in Pera, but seems more like kind of guy who might stay if he's good, at least a while, and we can remove if he continues to be bad. I like Parish and some of his newer players. Let's see...basketball still has at least some hope for future.

3) By far the biggest and most embarrassing botch job for Karlgaard. regardless of Coach's wishes, it could have been better handled if at start of season it was announced, and some ceremonies planned. Unnecessarily gave Rice Athletics a black eye. While I agree the rice Investment helps shore up a big deficit, the way this was done with Coach G was terrible, and unbecoming of our school's supposed "values." Hope we can recover and get back to NCAA's where we belong.

Remember, Karlgaard was essentially a D-III AD. Still not sure if that's been the plan with his hire all along, at least by some who consented to the hire, while perhaps not with others more interested in restoring Rice Athletics. He has been less than stellar, but he has a bit of cover for at least some things that happened.
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(11-09-2018 03:12 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  :

1) Aren't the 25(0) as much/more to blame than Karlgaard? Plus, I seem to recall many, many, many Parliament posters defending Bailiff through the years, up to the end, with terms like "plateaued?", "great recruiter", "gets Rice", "will do better next year", "most bowls", "players love him", et cetera...et cetera... Those few posters who pointed to his inferior performance, watered down competition, in-game mismanagement, optics, et cetera... were regularly and vehemently shouted down. Yes, Karlgaard should have fired Bailiff long ago, but no it's not all his fault. Jury's still out on Bloomgren, first year and all. His major accomplishment of beating the FCS team in his Game 1 still puts him ahead of Bailiff for the moment. And no I'm not happy with what has transpired this year, or the national image we're getting because of it.

Man, talk about revisionist history. what else do you remember, Dr. Ford?

But I will just point out that nobody defended bailiff by saying he "plateaued". that was one of the arguments from the AnybodyButBailiff movement that said he couldn't get us to the next level, that he had plateaued.

Yes, the jury is still out on Bloom, but early indications are that the deliberations are not going his way.

Glad you are proud of Bloom's beating the FCS team by three. that five point swing is a big indicator of what to expect.
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(11-09-2018 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 03:12 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  :

1) Aren't the 25(0) as much/more to blame than Karlgaard? Plus, I seem to recall many, many, many Parliament posters defending Bailiff through the years, up to the end, with terms like "plateaued?", "great recruiter", "gets Rice", "will do better next year", "most bowls", "players love him", et cetera...et cetera... Those few posters who pointed to his inferior performance, watered down competition, in-game mismanagement, optics, et cetera... were regularly and vehemently shouted down. Yes, Karlgaard should have fired Bailiff long ago, but no it's not all his fault. Jury's still out on Bloomgren, first year and all. His major accomplishment of beating the FCS team in his Game 1 still puts him ahead of Bailiff for the moment. And no I'm not happy with what has transpired this year, or the national image we're getting because of it.

Man, talk about revisionist history. what else do you remember, Dr. Ford?

But I will just point out that nobody defended bailiff by saying he "plateaued". that was one of the arguments from the AnybodyButBailiff movement that said he couldn't get us to the next level, that he had plateaued.

Yes, the jury is still out on Bloom, but early indications are that the deliberations are not going his way.

Glad you are proud of Bloom's beating the FCS team by three. that five point swing is a big indicator of what to expect.

Yes, "plateaued" was the term originally coined by me, and I presented my argument for it's use long before we began our downward spiral, when we were still going bowling. (Put simply, our 6 - 8 wins were all against sub Top 90 ranked teams and we were getting blown out by anyone ranked inside the Top 75.) However, everything else posted by GoodOwl above is correct. Anyone who attempts to assess Bloomgren's performance this year with the level of talent he inheretted (or, more appropriately, lack thereof) is being grossly unfair. No question, I expected better results this year, but I didn't realize quite how empty the roster was. I suspect some improvement next year with Bloom's first real recruiting class, but not dramatic improvement until Year 3.
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(11-09-2018 10:48 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 03:12 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  :

1) Aren't the 25(0) as much/more to blame than Karlgaard? Plus, I seem to recall many, many, many Parliament posters defending Bailiff through the years, up to the end, with terms like "plateaued?", "great recruiter", "gets Rice", "will do better next year", "most bowls", "players love him", et cetera...et cetera... Those few posters who pointed to his inferior performance, watered down competition, in-game mismanagement, optics, et cetera... were regularly and vehemently shouted down. Yes, Karlgaard should have fired Bailiff long ago, but no it's not all his fault. Jury's still out on Bloomgren, first year and all. His major accomplishment of beating the FCS team in his Game 1 still puts him ahead of Bailiff for the moment. And no I'm not happy with what has transpired this year, or the national image we're getting because of it.

Man, talk about revisionist history. what else do you remember, Dr. Ford?

But I will just point out that nobody defended bailiff by saying he "plateaued". that was one of the arguments from the AnybodyButBailiff movement that said he couldn't get us to the next level, that he had plateaued.

Yes, the jury is still out on Bloom, but early indications are that the deliberations are not going his way.

Glad you are proud of Bloom's beating the FCS team by three. that five point swing is a big indicator of what to expect.

Yes, "plateaued" was originally my term, and I presented my argument for it's use long before we began our downward spiral (when we were still going bowling). However, everything else posted by GoodOwl above is correct. Anyone who attempts to assess Bloomgren's performance this year with the level of talent he inheretted (or, more appropriately, lack thereof) is being grossly unfair. No question, I expected better results this year, but I didn't realize quite how empty the roster was. I suspect some improvement next year with Bloom's first real recruiting class, but not dramatic improvement until Year 3.

And so we are back to blowing off 2018 with an excuse slip, and depending on recruiting.

I have no doubt Bloom has a hard job. that's why we pay him the big bucks. I wonder, too, who thought there was a lot of talent on the 1-11 team he inherited.

My gripes are not with his lack of success, but lack of imagination in the play calling. With the square pegs approach. I thought with a new guy we would be done with this. Should have known better. After all, I was the guy cautioning against jumping out of the frying pan. Among the universe of guys we could have hired, how many would have done better? How many would have done worse? Remember, this comparison is using the same players, the same cupboard. If Bloom is in the top quartile of possible outcomes, I will be surprised. But maybe he is playing the long game. We shall see.

If we give him three years, which I advocate, that is 37 games. We are about 25% of the way through the trial period. How's it looking so far?
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(11-09-2018 11:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 10:48 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 03:12 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  :

1) Aren't the 25(0) as much/more to blame than Karlgaard? Plus, I seem to recall many, many, many Parliament posters defending Bailiff through the years, up to the end, with terms like "plateaued?", "great recruiter", "gets Rice", "will do better next year", "most bowls", "players love him", et cetera...et cetera... Those few posters who pointed to his inferior performance, watered down competition, in-game mismanagement, optics, et cetera... were regularly and vehemently shouted down. Yes, Karlgaard should have fired Bailiff long ago, but no it's not all his fault. Jury's still out on Bloomgren, first year and all. His major accomplishment of beating the FCS team in his Game 1 still puts him ahead of Bailiff for the moment. And no I'm not happy with what has transpired this year, or the national image we're getting because of it.

Man, talk about revisionist history. what else do you remember, Dr. Ford?

But I will just point out that nobody defended bailiff by saying he "plateaued". that was one of the arguments from the AnybodyButBailiff movement that said he couldn't get us to the next level, that he had plateaued.

Yes, the jury is still out on Bloom, but early indications are that the deliberations are not going his way.

Glad you are proud of Bloom's beating the FCS team by three. that five point swing is a big indicator of what to expect.

Yes, "plateaued" was originally my term, and I presented my argument for it's use long before we began our downward spiral (when we were still going bowling). However, everything else posted by GoodOwl above is correct. Anyone who attempts to assess Bloomgren's performance this year with the level of talent he inheretted (or, more appropriately, lack thereof) is being grossly unfair. No question, I expected better results this year, but I didn't realize quite how empty the roster was. I suspect some improvement next year with Bloom's first real recruiting class, but not dramatic improvement until Year 3.

And so we are back to blowing off 2018 with an excuse slip, and depending on recruiting.

I have no doubt Bloom has a hard job. that's why we pay him the big bucks. I wonder, too, who thought there was a lot of talent on the 1-11 team he inherited.

My gripes are not with his lack of success, but lack of imagination in the play calling. With the square pegs approach. I thought with a new guy we would be done with this. Should have known better. After all, I was the guy cautioning against jumping out of the frying pan. Among the universe of guys we could have hired, how many would have done better? How many would have done worse? Remember, this comparison is using the same players, the same cupboard. If Bloom is in the top quartile of possible outcomes, I will be surprised. But maybe he is playing the long game. We shall see.

If we give him three years, which I advocate, that is 37 games. We are about 25% of the way through the trial period. How's it looking so far?

Buddy, your expectations are simply unrealistic. No one's making excuses; simply stating the facts of the situation. And I disagree strongly with your critique of Bloom's lack of imagination. Unlike Bailiff, he came here and publicly stated his intended offensive philosophy, and he's stuck with it. No, he doesn't yet have the personnel (particularly on the OL) to execute it successfully and consistently, but he has not wavered from his state philosophy, despite the poor results. One cannot lay down the foundation for future success if you don't stick to what you preach.
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(11-09-2018 11:12 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 11:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 10:48 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 03:12 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  :

1) Aren't the 25(0) as much/more to blame than Karlgaard? Plus, I seem to recall many, many, many Parliament posters defending Bailiff through the years, up to the end, with terms like "plateaued?", "great recruiter", "gets Rice", "will do better next year", "most bowls", "players love him", et cetera...et cetera... Those few posters who pointed to his inferior performance, watered down competition, in-game mismanagement, optics, et cetera... were regularly and vehemently shouted down. Yes, Karlgaard should have fired Bailiff long ago, but no it's not all his fault. Jury's still out on Bloomgren, first year and all. His major accomplishment of beating the FCS team in his Game 1 still puts him ahead of Bailiff for the moment. And no I'm not happy with what has transpired this year, or the national image we're getting because of it.

Man, talk about revisionist history. what else do you remember, Dr. Ford?

But I will just point out that nobody defended bailiff by saying he "plateaued". that was one of the arguments from the AnybodyButBailiff movement that said he couldn't get us to the next level, that he had plateaued.

Yes, the jury is still out on Bloom, but early indications are that the deliberations are not going his way.

Glad you are proud of Bloom's beating the FCS team by three. that five point swing is a big indicator of what to expect.

Yes, "plateaued" was originally my term, and I presented my argument for it's use long before we began our downward spiral (when we were still going bowling). However, everything else posted by GoodOwl above is correct. Anyone who attempts to assess Bloomgren's performance this year with the level of talent he inheretted (or, more appropriately, lack thereof) is being grossly unfair. No question, I expected better results this year, but I didn't realize quite how empty the roster was. I suspect some improvement next year with Bloom's first real recruiting class, but not dramatic improvement until Year 3.

And so we are back to blowing off 2018 with an excuse slip, and depending on recruiting.

I have no doubt Bloom has a hard job. that's why we pay him the big bucks. I wonder, too, who thought there was a lot of talent on the 1-11 team he inherited.

My gripes are not with his lack of success, but lack of imagination in the play calling. With the square pegs approach. I thought with a new guy we would be done with this. Should have known better. After all, I was the guy cautioning against jumping out of the frying pan. Among the universe of guys we could have hired, how many would have done better? How many would have done worse? Remember, this comparison is using the same players, the same cupboard. If Bloom is in the top quartile of possible outcomes, I will be surprised. But maybe he is playing the long game. We shall see.

If we give him three years, which I advocate, that is 37 games. We are about 25% of the way through the trial period. How's it looking so far?

Buddy, your expectations are simply unrealistic. No one's making excuses; simply stating the facts of the situation. And I disagree strongly with your critique of Bloom's lack of imagination. Unlike Bailiff, he came here and publicly stated his intended offensive philosophy, and he's stuck with it. No, he doesn't yet have the personnel (particularly on the OL) to execute it successfully and consistently, but he has not wavered from his state philosophy, despite the poor results. One cannot lay down the foundation for future success if you don't stick to what you preach.

He hasn’t really stuck with it though.

The stuff we’ve been running the last few games with Marshman and Green is quite different than what we started with.
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I'm half-seriously wondering if a moderator who is reading this could move the last half-dozen posts to a different thread. They have fvck all do with the St. Leo game.
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(11-09-2018 11:12 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 11:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 10:48 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 03:12 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  :

1) Aren't the 25(0) as much/more to blame than Karlgaard? Plus, I seem to recall many, many, many Parliament posters defending Bailiff through the years, up to the end, with terms like "plateaued?", "great recruiter", "gets Rice", "will do better next year", "most bowls", "players love him", et cetera...et cetera... Those few posters who pointed to his inferior performance, watered down competition, in-game mismanagement, optics, et cetera... were regularly and vehemently shouted down. Yes, Karlgaard should have fired Bailiff long ago, but no it's not all his fault. Jury's still out on Bloomgren, first year and all. His major accomplishment of beating the FCS team in his Game 1 still puts him ahead of Bailiff for the moment. And no I'm not happy with what has transpired this year, or the national image we're getting because of it.

Man, talk about revisionist history. what else do you remember, Dr. Ford?

But I will just point out that nobody defended bailiff by saying he "plateaued". that was one of the arguments from the AnybodyButBailiff movement that said he couldn't get us to the next level, that he had plateaued.

Yes, the jury is still out on Bloom, but early indications are that the deliberations are not going his way.

Glad you are proud of Bloom's beating the FCS team by three. that five point swing is a big indicator of what to expect.

Yes, "plateaued" was originally my term, and I presented my argument for it's use long before we began our downward spiral (when we were still going bowling). However, everything else posted by GoodOwl above is correct. Anyone who attempts to assess Bloomgren's performance this year with the level of talent he inheretted (or, more appropriately, lack thereof) is being grossly unfair. No question, I expected better results this year, but I didn't realize quite how empty the roster was. I suspect some improvement next year with Bloom's first real recruiting class, but not dramatic improvement until Year 3.

And so we are back to blowing off 2018 with an excuse slip, and depending on recruiting.

I have no doubt Bloom has a hard job. that's why we pay him the big bucks. I wonder, too, who thought there was a lot of talent on the 1-11 team he inherited.

My gripes are not with his lack of success, but lack of imagination in the play calling. With the square pegs approach. I thought with a new guy we would be done with this. Should have known better. After all, I was the guy cautioning against jumping out of the frying pan. Among the universe of guys we could have hired, how many would have done better? How many would have done worse? Remember, this comparison is using the same players, the same cupboard. If Bloom is in the top quartile of possible outcomes, I will be surprised. But maybe he is playing the long game. We shall see.

If we give him three years, which I advocate, that is 37 games. We are about 25% of the way through the trial period. How's it looking so far?

Buddy, your expectations are simply unrealistic. No one's making excuses; simply stating the facts of the situation. And I disagree strongly with your critique of Bloom's lack of imagination. Unlike Bailiff, he came here and publicly stated his intended offensive philosophy, and he's stuck with it. No, he doesn't yet have the personnel (particularly on the OL) to execute it successfully and consistently, but he has not wavered from his state philosophy, despite the poor results. One cannot lay down the foundation for future success if you don't stick to what you preach.

Anything about the current offensive attack remind anybody of McGuffie up the middle? We were all agog back then at how Bailiff stuck to his plan.

Sticking with something that is not working is not an admirable quality in my book.

I guess we will finish this year 1-12, alienate all the upperclassmen, and sit around the parliament slapping each other on the back and congratulating each other on the progress of the plan.
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Man this thread got way off topic, even more so than most Parliament threads.
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I am surprised no one is talking about the Gingerman at this point.
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(11-05-2018 06:55 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  A) Can we keep this thread clean of any Karlgaard and co. conversation. There's plenty of that in the football threads.

Sorry, didn't see this when I responded to ExcitedOwl18's post here. Copied/ moved the discussion to the other Karlgaard thread here: https://csnbbs.com/thread-862549-post-15...id15650120

Glad we beat St. Leo. Good start to BB season this year.
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