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RE: Rice-UTEP postgame: pissing in the wind
It's easy to run a blitz from a stacked box. Actually, since many of the run plays are pitch backs or read/runs that take forever to develop, a blitz is all that's needed whatever play the offense is running.
11-09-2018 09:20 AM
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RE: Rice-UTEP postgame: pissing in the wind
(11-09-2018 06:08 AM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 01:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-08-2018 11:25 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(11-08-2018 10:19 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-08-2018 07:36 PM)Hootnhowln Wrote:  Not saying we'd be conference champs but coaching has been the largest part of the losing season thus far.

agree

I don't know guys. The OL, secondary, and QB play has been awful. The roster is depleted. Thank God for Austin Walter. It's probably equal parts coaching and talent IMO. I do think the coach is learning. He'll adapt. Remember that his running offense was working early on. It fell apart after that.

Why did it fall apart after that? Did the talent get worse? Did the OL get worse?

I know the team is depleted, but it would have been depleted for any coach, and i think most coaches would have done more with the talent we do have. Why is Cephus not targeted more? Why do we keep running up the middle on first down for 1 yard?

Not many coaches take over a 1-11 team expecting to find a lot of talent. We certainly have some talent. I just think the coach is not maximizing what we have.

I expected more from Bloomgren and his staff. Lots more actually. Go back to the predictions thread. I said four wins, PV, UTEP, and two others that Bloom would steal for us. That prediction does not depend on a ton of talent, it depends on a ton of coaching.

Bottom line is W's. We only have 1, a squeaker over PVAM at home.

Run game fell apart because we had no pass threat. Teams loaded the box and shut it down. Plus we insist on running that damn toss play. But yeah no pass threat makes stopping the run easy. The lack of pass threat wasn’t because of poor receiver play it due to QB lack of arm. Once we went to Green defensive blue print was put pressure and he won’t be able to handle it so again no passing threat.

So we had a passing threat in the first three games? How much did we pass for in the PVAM game? If we had a threat, it must have existed only in the minds of the opponents.

But in any case, when the opponent stacks the box, toss it over them, or least try to. Even Hatfield would throw it now and then. We kept running into the stacked box. Why? It was a coaching decision. Fourth down, first down it doesn't matter, eleven men in the box, let's run it.

Defense, the main problem I have with them is that we start out with the no blitz defense and wait until we are down 14 to blitz. I thought part of coaching was to develop a game plan that works, not to wait until you are down 14 or more to implement what works. If we know the secondary is weak, let's give them some help from the git-go.
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RE: Rice-UTEP postgame: pissing in the wind
(11-09-2018 09:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So we had a passing threat in the first three games? How much did we pass for in the PVAM game? If we had a threat, it must have existed only in the minds of the opponents.

Well, yes, as a matter of fact.

One QB was a P5 transfer, there was very little (if any) game film of him, they had to assume he was a passing threat until proven otherwise.
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RE: Rice-UTEP postgame: pissing in the wind
(11-09-2018 09:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 06:08 AM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 01:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-08-2018 11:25 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(11-08-2018 10:19 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  agree

I don't know guys. The OL, secondary, and QB play has been awful. The roster is depleted. Thank God for Austin Walter. It's probably equal parts coaching and talent IMO. I do think the coach is learning. He'll adapt. Remember that his running offense was working early on. It fell apart after that.

Why did it fall apart after that? Did the talent get worse? Did the OL get worse?

I know the team is depleted, but it would have been depleted for any coach, and i think most coaches would have done more with the talent we do have. Why is Cephus not targeted more? Why do we keep running up the middle on first down for 1 yard?

Not many coaches take over a 1-11 team expecting to find a lot of talent. We certainly have some talent. I just think the coach is not maximizing what we have.

I expected more from Bloomgren and his staff. Lots more actually. Go back to the predictions thread. I said four wins, PV, UTEP, and two others that Bloom would steal for us. That prediction does not depend on a ton of talent, it depends on a ton of coaching.

Bottom line is W's. We only have 1, a squeaker over PVAM at home.

Run game fell apart because we had no pass threat. Teams loaded the box and shut it down. Plus we insist on running that damn toss play. But yeah no pass threat makes stopping the run easy. The lack of pass threat wasn’t because of poor receiver play it due to QB lack of arm. Once we went to Green defensive blue print was put pressure and he won’t be able to handle it so again no passing threat.

So we had a passing threat in the first three games? How much did we pass for in the PVAM game? If we had a threat, it must have existed only in the minds of the opponents.

But in any case, when the opponent stacks the box, toss it over them, or least try to. Even Hatfield would throw it now and then. We kept running into the stacked box. Why? It was a coaching decision. Fourth down, first down it doesn't matter, eleven men in the box, let's run it.

Defense, the main problem I have with them is that we start out with the no blitz defense and wait until we are down 14 to blitz. I thought part of coaching was to develop a game plan that works, not to wait until you are down 14 or more to implement what works. If we know the secondary is weak, let's give them some help from the git-go.

No we didn't have a passing threat and we never had a passing threat. PV was outmatched. UH week one for them and we got an advantage until they quit trying to scheme us and just hit us in the mouth. Hawaii not considered a defensive juggernaut. Totally agree when the box is stacked toss it over them but either out QB's can't or we don't trust them to do that. Bottom line our issue is Bloom's stubborn pound the rock mentality without pound the rock guys. Stanford didn't put multiple TE's in the league because they were great blockers. Other than a handful of balls to Myers and Bull we haven't used the TE at all this year. Hitting the TE in the middle should soften the LB's a little to start pounding the rock some but....My theory on the lack of TE usage is either they aren't good enough to get open or we are waiting to unveil French which is Bloom's guy he coveted in signing out of Florida.
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RE: Rice-UTEP postgame: pissing in the wind
(11-09-2018 09:45 AM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 09:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 06:08 AM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 01:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-08-2018 11:25 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I don't know guys. The OL, secondary, and QB play has been awful. The roster is depleted. Thank God for Austin Walter. It's probably equal parts coaching and talent IMO. I do think the coach is learning. He'll adapt. Remember that his running offense was working early on. It fell apart after that.

Why did it fall apart after that? Did the talent get worse? Did the OL get worse?

I know the team is depleted, but it would have been depleted for any coach, and i think most coaches would have done more with the talent we do have. Why is Cephus not targeted more? Why do we keep running up the middle on first down for 1 yard?

Not many coaches take over a 1-11 team expecting to find a lot of talent. We certainly have some talent. I just think the coach is not maximizing what we have.

I expected more from Bloomgren and his staff. Lots more actually. Go back to the predictions thread. I said four wins, PV, UTEP, and two others that Bloom would steal for us. That prediction does not depend on a ton of talent, it depends on a ton of coaching.

Bottom line is W's. We only have 1, a squeaker over PVAM at home.

Run game fell apart because we had no pass threat. Teams loaded the box and shut it down. Plus we insist on running that damn toss play. But yeah no pass threat makes stopping the run easy. The lack of pass threat wasn’t because of poor receiver play it due to QB lack of arm. Once we went to Green defensive blue print was put pressure and he won’t be able to handle it so again no passing threat.

So we had a passing threat in the first three games? How much did we pass for in the PVAM game? If we had a threat, it must have existed only in the minds of the opponents.

But in any case, when the opponent stacks the box, toss it over them, or least try to. Even Hatfield would throw it now and then. We kept running into the stacked box. Why? It was a coaching decision. Fourth down, first down it doesn't matter, eleven men in the box, let's run it.

Defense, the main problem I have with them is that we start out with the no blitz defense and wait until we are down 14 to blitz. I thought part of coaching was to develop a game plan that works, not to wait until you are down 14 or more to implement what works. If we know the secondary is weak, let's give them some help from the git-go.

No we didn't have a passing threat and we never had a passing threat. PV was outmatched. UH week one for them and we got an advantage until they quit trying to scheme us and just hit us in the mouth. Hawaii not considered a defensive juggernaut. Totally agree when the box is stacked toss it over them but either out QB's can't or we don't trust them to do that. Bottom line our issue is Bloom's stubborn pound the rock mentality without pound the rock guys. Stanford didn't put multiple TE's in the league because they were great blockers. Other than a handful of balls to Myers and Bull we haven't used the TE at all this year. Hitting the TE in the middle should soften the LB's a little to start pounding the rock some but....My theory on the lack of TE usage is either they aren't good enough to get open or we are waiting to unveil French which is Bloom's guy he coveted in signing out of Florida.

There are TE's and a slot receiver who are frequently wide open in the middle of the field and not targeted. Check #7, #83 and #88 for example. Can't remember which game but think it was at home and #88, Jaeger Bull. who is a huge target, scored a TD where he was wide open and it was probably a 5 yard passing play. For once, the ball wasn't thrown in the far corner to Cephus into double coverage with a hope and prayer that the kid would either make a tremendous catch or get fouled. Trammill and Cephus could be even more effective if they weren't always the target and not in double coverage. While our TE's and other receivers may not have the speed or height of Trammill or Cephus, they're open and looked good/caught balls in first three games. Why not get 5-6 yards between the chains, some passing momentum, build confidence of QB with shorter passes and force opposition to honor the other targets.
Would also help the defense. Ok, so our secondary isn't the fastest but how about trying to minimize the time they're on the field and switch to zone coverage, come off the line a bit and play "prevent". Giving up the big play on the first drive of the game seems to be our status quo and has got to hurt morale and mojo.
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RE: Rice-UTEP postgame: pissing in the wind
(11-09-2018 06:08 AM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  Run game fell apart because we had no pass threat. Teams loaded the box and shut it down. Plus we insist on running that damn toss play. But yeah no pass threat makes stopping the run easy. The lack of pass threat wasn’t because of poor receiver play it due to QB lack of arm. Once we went to Green defensive blue print was put pressure and he won’t be able to handle it so again no passing threat.

I don't think I have ever seen a defense fail to stack the box when the offense lines up with 10 players in the box. I don't think the Rice coaches expected the defense to do anything but stack the box in that situation, but they did expect to be able to out-execute the defense and run the ball anyways. I haven't watched much of Stanford football, but I expect that they have been able to run the ball against a stacked defense. The failure there is a function of talent, execution, coaching, and scheme, but it doesn't seem to me that the quality of the passing game is a factor when even the pre-teen girls in the stands reading Harry Potter can tell that the offense is going to run the ball. I tend to favor schemes and tactics where there is some balance and uncertainty in the point of attack for every choice that you make. That may not always be possible, and there are teams, schemes, and players where everyone knows what you're going to do, but consistently executes it anyways. But, I'm not really fond of making what is in essence a Jumbo set the workhorse of your offense... if you can execute it, I see some merit in doing it (you'll wear out the defense and, if you will, impose your will). But, if it doesn't work, you're 1-12 before you know it.
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RE: Rice-UTEP postgame: pissing in the wind
That guy right up there is smart... that was football like talk there
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(11-10-2018 11:25 PM)Neelys Ghost Wrote:  That guy right up there is smart... that was football like talk there

And his main sport of interest is soccer (aka that other futball), IIRC.
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RE: Rice-UTEP postgame: pissing in the wind
What can I say... I was uncharacteristically sober during last night's game.
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