(11-02-2018 10:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The GOP motivates their base by demonizing minorities and uses their political offices to depress minority votes. They’ve been doing this for decades.

When you say that sentence is a load of crap. It's exactly what is going on and you believe it is not.

Specifically how has that been done? Do you deny it is easier to cast a ballot now than it has been in the past?

(11-02-2018 10:05 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 10:00 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 09:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:58 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:48 AM)Momus Wrote:  It’s simple statistics - make it harder to vote and fewer people will vote, and the most vulnerable and those with the fewest resources will be affected the most. That’s the GOP plan because they lose when more people vote.

That's a bunch of crap. Anyone who can read a history book know which party historically tried to suppress votes and it wasn't republicans.

but it is now......... Speaking of history books. Maybe read a Chapter on Nixon's southern strategy..........

Educate thyself......

Maybe read a chapter on Johnson's comments regarding the "great society".

LBJ knew when he signed the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act that he would give the right-wing an opening to appeal to racism as a regular political tactic. That’s exactly what Nixon did and what Republicans have done ever since. We’ve now reached the point where the GOP doesn’t hide it anymore. Now they advocate racist positions and just say it’s not racist to do so. What’s sad is seeing people who used to be reasonable and decent still support such filth.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnso...hts-racism

This is a bit of a thread jack, but I think it's funny how the Dems have basically cast the black vote aside in favor of pursuing the Latino vote. It was bound to happen sooner or later because the blacks don't have enough population vs the Latinos to compete anymore in the realm of identity politics. As you can see, black people re waking up to this realization and a lot of it has to do with the arrogance of the Dem party to just assume that they can keep all the minorities so long as they throw them trinkets to keep them satiated.

It's pretty pathetic when you see that Dems have controlled most cities for decades yet the problem among the inner city slums have not changed. And how come there hasn't been true immigration reform so that we don't see decades of illegals coming across the southern border? That's actually bipartisan effort to avoid solving that issue in order to get votes and to maintain cheap labor that acts as an anchor on the wages of legal American citizens.

(11-02-2018 10:28 AM)miko33 Wrote:  This is a bit of a thread jack, but I think it's funny how the Dems have basically cast the black vote aside in favor of pursuing the Latino vote. It was bound to happen sooner or later because the blacks don't have enough population vs the Latinos to compete anymore in the realm of identity politics. As you can see, black people re waking up to this realization and a lot of it has to do with the arrogance of the Dem party to just assume that they can keep all the minorities so long as they throw them trinkets to keep them satiated.

It's pretty pathetic when you see that Dems have controlled most cities for decades yet the problem among the inner city slums have not changed. And how come there hasn't been true immigration reform so that we don't see decades of illegals coming across the southern border? That's actually bipartisan effort to avoid solving that issue in order to get votes and to maintain cheap labor that acts as an anchor on the wages of legal American citizens.

Miko the conditions in the city slums have changed, the crime has gotten worse thanks in part to illegals, and that affects poor people who try to live lawfully in a hellish situation.

Now that said, if broad sweeping claims are made by either side of this debate then back them up with facts, not platitudes, not assertions of your opinion, but fact.

Failure to do so will result in official warnings, and persistent race bating will end poorly for the poster doing it. Race and gender orientation baiting will not be tolerated!

And Miko I'm not directing those remarks against you. But I am using your post and my response to it as an official notification.

(11-02-2018 07:58 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Accusations of racism by individuals on this board against each other will not be tolerated. This is the one and only warning on this the moderation team will be issuing.

Keep it civil.

So I can't respond to a racist comment by stating it's a racist comment?

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So their university didn't issue student ID's? And they didn't require an ID to confirm they were indeed who they said they were to confirm they were entitled to a student ID? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

(11-02-2018 09:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So you were saying they were all women? Because at the age of 18 all men must register for Selective Service and they give you a card. You can use that to vote. Also. Pretty hard to go to college without Identification. And you get an ID card when you go to college. Also, unless they were illegal they had Social Security Cards.

Beat me to it.

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So you are saying booze motivated them to get an ID but voting didn't?

(11-02-2018 10:44 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 10:28 AM)miko33 Wrote:  This is a bit of a thread jack, but I think it's funny how the Dems have basically cast the black vote aside in favor of pursuing the Latino vote. It was bound to happen sooner or later because the blacks don't have enough population vs the Latinos to compete anymore in the realm of identity politics. As you can see, black people re waking up to this realization and a lot of it has to do with the arrogance of the Dem party to just assume that they can keep all the minorities so long as they throw them trinkets to keep them satiated.

It's pretty pathetic when you see that Dems have controlled most cities for decades yet the problem among the inner city slums have not changed. And how come there hasn't been true immigration reform so that we don't see decades of illegals coming across the southern border? That's actually bipartisan effort to avoid solving that issue in order to get votes and to maintain cheap labor that acts as an anchor on the wages of legal American citizens.

Miko the conditions in the city slums have changed, the crime has gotten worse thanks in part to illegals, and that affects poor people who try to live lawfully in a hellish situation.

Now that said, if broad sweeping claims are made by either side of this debate then back them up with facts, not platitudes, not assertions of your opinion, but fact.

Failure to do so will result in official warnings, and persistent race bating will end poorly for the poster doing it. Race and gender orientation baiting will not be tolerated!

And Miko I'm not directing those remarks against you. But I am using your post and my response to it as an official notification.

Here's a link. https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall...801d893fea

The vast majority of the illegal immigrants are from Mexico and CA. The Dems have been proposing to abolish ICE and have an open border policy as we've seen in the news over the years. Given that the illegal immigrants are working in the low skilled labor jobs - and the inner city native born Americans are largely working in these parts of the economy - it's had a major impact on the ability of black families in the cities to lift themselves out of poverty. These are my take aways based on the link below.

Quote:It's that last phrase: labour supply is almost perfectly inelastic. We normally think of both income and substitution effects when thinking about wages. The first is the idea that there's some income we think we need to make and we'll work until we do so. The second is that we find other things interesting in life as well, over and above work, and what we get paid to work has to be higher than that value. Otherwise we won't work. Near perfectly inelastic means that the income effect is entirely dominating here: there's almost no substitution going on. Even if we offer $2 an hour and that's the only work going then the illegals will do that rather than going fishing as we would.

Why?

The obvious answer being that the illegals don't have access to the welfare state. They don't get Section 8 vouchers, don't get SNAP, don't get unemployment pay, don't get the near 80 varied programs that exist. And that's what explains the difference in labour supply. If an employer tries to take advantage of us legals with very low wages not only can we report them but also we can just walk away from the offer. We've got something we can fall back on other than a $2 an hour job. Illegals do not. And this is what explains the difference in labour supply.

(11-02-2018 10:56 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So you are saying booze motivated them to get an ID but voting didn't?

(11-02-2018 10:53 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So their university didn't issue student ID's? And they didn't require an ID to confirm they were indeed who they said they were to confirm they were entitled to a student ID? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

You cannot use a student ID to vote. At least where I went to school in Ohio.

I'm not sure exactly what information they provided when the applied to go to school there, but I assume they'd use their Social Security #s. In Ohio, you can't use your SSN to vote in person, but you can use it to vote provisionally.

But no, they did not have a Photo ID with their name and current address on it. Well, not until they were 21. Isn't that what folks on the right propose be used in order to vote?

(11-02-2018 07:29 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:17 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  If the right had a scintilla of care about this obvious disenfranchisement you would get a more sympathetic ear. You don't care about votes. You don't care about the integrity of the vote or these other issues would be just as much of a concern for you. Anything that makes it easier to vote and you have Republicans running away from it. They know the more people that vote... they lose. All of that dead people voting stuff.......... manna for simpletons.

Republicans see the shifting sentiments and demographics in the country. Rather than adapt to that, they want to implement policies designed to make it harder for the poor, for young people, and for minorities to vote. This is yet another reason to never believe a right-winger when they say they love America. They are willing to rob their fellow Americans of the right to vote and their voice in government. There’s nothing more anti-democratic and anti-American.

Point to the laws that do this. Your claims are specious. Registering to vote is pretty easy, especially if you are a citizen. The laws in most states have been modified to make it easier to register to vote than ever before up to and including same day registration which is fraught with flaws that err on the side of leniency.

What is un American if not absurdly stupid is to allow those who are not citizens, who violated the law to get here, to have an easy path to fraudulent voting. It is easier today to register to vote than at anytime in my life. You can do it at the DMV, at the county tax assessors office when buying vehicle tags, at the benefits offices, and in many other ways. Voter registration is a red herring for legal citizens.

I readily admit it is still a bit of an obstacle for illegals, but not as much of one as it should be.

(11-02-2018 10:56 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So you are saying booze motivated them to get an ID but voting didn't?

Yes.

(11-02-2018 11:01 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 10:53 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  [quote='Eagleaidaholic' pid='15628023' dateline='1541161996']
Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So their university didn't issue student ID's? And they didn't require an ID to confirm they were indeed who they said they were to confirm they were entitled to a student ID? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

You cannot use a student ID to vote. At least where I went to school in Ohio.

I'm not sure exactly what information they provided when the applied to go to school there, but I assume they'd use their Social Security #s. In Ohio, you can't use your SSN to vote in person, but you can use it to vote provisionally.

But no, they did not have a Photo ID with their name and current address on it. Well, not until they were 21. Isn't that what folks on the right propose be used in order to vote?

Quote:Identification Requirements




Ohio law requires that every voter, upon appearing at the polling place to vote on Election Day, must announce his or her full name and current address and provide proof of identity.

The forms of identification that may be used by a voter who appears at a polling place to vote on Election Day include
•An unexpired Ohio driver’s license or state identification card with present or former address so long as the voter’s present residential address is printed in the official list of registered voters for that precinct;
•A military identification;
•A photo identification that was issued by the United States government or the State of Ohio, that contains the voter’s name and current address and that has an expiration date that has not passed;
•An original or copy of a current utility bill with the voter’s name and present address;
•An original or copy of a current bank statement with the voter’s name and present address;
•An original or copy of a current government check with the voter’s name and present address;
•An original or copy of a current paycheck with the voter’s name and present address; or
•An original or copy of a current other government document (other than a notice of voter registration mailed by a board of elections) that shows the voter’s name and present address.

For utility bills, bank statements, government checks, paychecks, and other government documents, “current” is defined as within the last 12 months. “Utility bill” includes a cell phone bill. “Other government document” includes license renewal and other notices, fishing and marine equipment operator’s license, court papers, or grade reports or transcripts. “Government office” includes any local (including county, city, township, school district and village), state or federal (United States) government office, branch, agency, commission, , whether or not in Ohio.

Doesn't look very hard to vote in Ohio to me.

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 07:33 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

"They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into bars." Well...I guess when something is important to you...you get motivated.

(11-01-2018 07:46 PM)q5sys Wrote:  Federal Election = Federal Jurisdiction

The states can do whatever they want for State elections, and the Feds can't mandate it. However... regarding FEDERAL ELECTIONS... if the Feds want a system in place for voting for federal positions... they can lawfully implement it. States have the right to A) agree to it or B) refuse it and as a result not allow citizens of their state to have a vote in federal elections.
States would have the right to say no...

I don't think this is correct. The system is already implemented... and the only Federal seat voted on is President.

Quote:If the Left was smart... they'd integrate people signing up for voting when they are signing up for social services like welfare, etc.
Make sure people are signed up and that they will get absentee ballots mailed to their residence.
That'd make sure everyone of them would be registered and ready to vote for more gov handouts. Thankfully the left isn't that smart.
They are sinister... but not always the smartest

here is another fallacy. You can't get welfare or assistance or healthcare (beyond the ER) without a valid ID.

(11-02-2018 06:56 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Where is the caring about integrity when over 13,000 people are disenfranchised with one polling station?

I've been to 'historic dodge city'. It's not what you think it is now what this guy claims it is. If what you claim were true, it would be an easy federal lawsuit and democrats would be falling all over themselves to get paid millions for it. Instead, it's an Op Ed like piece in a newspaper and an internet meme. That should tell a smart person all they need to know. Not saying someone won't press forward with a case... but such an obvious case, people wouldn't need funding or support to take on.

Where is your concern about the (mostly) Republicans who live in rural areas 15 miles from town and have no public transportation at all?

You been to Kansas? There's LOTS of those people there... probably a lot more than 13,000 *which is likely a lie because the whole town is only about 20,000

(11-02-2018 07:11 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 06:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  How can one possibly know the number when there is no method of detection?

Query-A guy is standing there claiming to be John Smith of 123 Main Street, and entitled to vote in this precinct in this election. Without voter ID, how do you know whether he is in fact John Smith of 123 Main Street?

You can't. The only possible way would be in small towns were everyone knows everyone. In rural areas?...No way in hell. Do I think the issue is overblown? Yes. Do I think BOTH gangs do everything they can to sway elections? Yes. Regardless.... IDs should be required and ample access to voting should be a standard. I shake my head that these issue are still being discussed at all in 2018.

This... and I've not once gotten anyone from the left to address the obvious query. Not even a weak attempt to do so.

(11-02-2018 07:17 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  If the right had a scintilla of care about this obvious disenfranchisement you would get a more sympathetic ear. You don't care about votes. You don't care about the integrity of the vote or these other issues would be just as much of a concern for you. Anything that makes it easier to vote and you have Republicans running away from it. They know the more people that vote... they lose. All of that dead people voting stuff.......... manna for simpletons.

The fallacy of this statement is obvious by Tom's academic study on the issue and dozens of others... 3.4% of whites is more votes than 7.8% of blacks (or whatever the actual numbers were)... and after taking out those of either race who live without ID because they're 'in hiding' and thus likely ineligible to vote anyway... the overwhelming percentage of whites in those groups are likely people living off the grid who skew WAY WAY WAY to the right... and they probably wouldn't take a free ID if you gave them one... I don't hear of many minority groups living off the grid and although here legally, 'hiding' from the government. I suspect the overwhelming percentage of blacks in that percentage are older and simply don't have a need to drive. They have family that helps manage their finances and they once HAD proper ID, but now they've been in the system long enough to not NEED an ID to 'get by'.

If you want more people to vote, then let's eliminate the stupid, archaic and meaningless 'voter registration' drives which would be redundant with a voter ID drive.

I don't know the number, but I'm betting that only about 60% of eligible minority voters are registered to vote, while according to your own side's statistics, 90+% of them have state issued ID. You want to get out the vote? There it is.

If it were about getting out the vote for Democrats, they'd be in favor of voter ID... online address updates... maybe some compromise where within 3 months of an election you're barred from changing your polling location for voting purposes or something... but it would also allow people 'in the wrong county' physically to have their votes tallied in the proper county.

This is 2018. These things are easily do-able and would clearly increase, not decrease voter eligibility and access. At some point, we should be able to vote from home or on the phone with some sort of bio-metric device to prove identity... and eliminate the concerns about polling stations.



I agree that Republicans want to win elections and doing things that motivate their base and suppress the other side are part of that... but to act as if Democrats don't do the same is ridiculous. This whole 'resist' and 'Russia' and the insane hypocrisy about Trump being a 'womanizer' is nothing BUT that.

Every ad I see out here in Cali is not about what a democrat will do in office, but instead is about associating their opponents with Trump no matter how loosely, and then telling people to vote against Trump.

If you want free and fair elections, then you should support voter ID and modernization of the process. Hint... IDs and bio-metrics would ENSURE that radical right-wingers wouldn't vote... and I'd be happy with that.

(11-02-2018 11:17 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 11:01 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 10:53 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  [quote='Eagleaidaholic' pid='15628023' dateline='1541161996']
Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So their university didn't issue student ID's? And they didn't require an ID to confirm they were indeed who they said they were to confirm they were entitled to a student ID? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

You cannot use a student ID to vote. At least where I went to school in Ohio.

I'm not sure exactly what information they provided when the applied to go to school there, but I assume they'd use their Social Security #s. In Ohio, you can't use your SSN to vote in person, but you can use it to vote provisionally.

But no, they did not have a Photo ID with their name and current address on it. Well, not until they were 21. Isn't that what folks on the right propose be used in order to vote?

Quote:Identification Requirements




Ohio law requires that every voter, upon appearing at the polling place to vote on Election Day, must announce his or her full name and current address and provide proof of identity.

The forms of identification that may be used by a voter who appears at a polling place to vote on Election Day include
•An unexpired Ohio driver’s license or state identification card with present or former address so long as the voter’s present residential address is printed in the official list of registered voters for that precinct;
•A military identification;
•A photo identification that was issued by the United States government or the State of Ohio, that contains the voter’s name and current address and that has an expiration date that has not passed;
•An original or copy of a current utility bill with the voter’s name and present address;
•An original or copy of a current bank statement with the voter’s name and present address;
•An original or copy of a current government check with the voter’s name and present address;
•An original or copy of a current paycheck with the voter’s name and present address; or
•An original or copy of a current other government document (other than a notice of voter registration mailed by a board of elections) that shows the voter’s name and present address.

For utility bills, bank statements, government checks, paychecks, and other government documents, “current” is defined as within the last 12 months. “Utility bill” includes a cell phone bill. “Other government document” includes license renewal and other notices, fishing and marine equipment operator’s license, court papers, or grade reports or transcripts. “Government office” includes any local (including county, city, township, school district and village), state or federal (United States) government office, branch, agency, commission, , whether or not in Ohio.

Doesn't look very hard to vote in Ohio to me.

I never claimed that it's difficult to vote in Ohio. You said everyone in America of voting age has an ID. I said otherwise. Sure you can use a bank statement to vote in Ohio, but Republicans are pushing for Photo IDs in order to vote. Look at Wisconsin.

(11-02-2018 12:47 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 11:17 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 11:01 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 10:53 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 08:59 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  [quote='Eagleaidaholic' pid='15628023' dateline='1541161996']
Everyone in America of voting age has an I'D. It is absurd to think otherwise.

Not true. I knew a few people when I went to university who didn't have ID and were voting age.

Both were from Cleveland and grew up in neighborhoods where you can walk or use public transportation to get anywhere where they needed. They both had to learn how to drive in their early twenties. They finally got a state ID when they were 21 to get into the bars.

So their university didn't issue student ID's? And they didn't require an ID to confirm they were indeed who they said they were to confirm they were entitled to a student ID? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

You cannot use a student ID to vote. At least where I went to school in Ohio.

I'm not sure exactly what information they provided when the applied to go to school there, but I assume they'd use their Social Security #s. In Ohio, you can't use your SSN to vote in person, but you can use it to vote provisionally.

But no, they did not have a Photo ID with their name and current address on it. Well, not until they were 21. Isn't that what folks on the right propose be used in order to vote?

Quote:Identification Requirements




Ohio law requires that every voter, upon appearing at the polling place to vote on Election Day, must announce his or her full name and current address and provide proof of identity.

The forms of identification that may be used by a voter who appears at a polling place to vote on Election Day include
•An unexpired Ohio driver’s license or state identification card with present or former address so long as the voter’s present residential address is printed in the official list of registered voters for that precinct;
•A military identification;
•A photo identification that was issued by the United States government or the State of Ohio, that contains the voter’s name and current address and that has an expiration date that has not passed;
•An original or copy of a current utility bill with the voter’s name and present address;
•An original or copy of a current bank statement with the voter’s name and present address;
•An original or copy of a current government check with the voter’s name and present address;
•An original or copy of a current paycheck with the voter’s name and present address; or
•An original or copy of a current other government document (other than a notice of voter registration mailed by a board of elections) that shows the voter’s name and present address.

For utility bills, bank statements, government checks, paychecks, and other government documents, “current” is defined as within the last 12 months. “Utility bill” includes a cell phone bill. “Other government document” includes license renewal and other notices, fishing and marine equipment operator’s license, court papers, or grade reports or transcripts. “Government office” includes any local (including county, city, township, school district and village), state or federal (United States) government office, branch, agency, commission, , whether or not in Ohio.

Doesn't look very hard to vote in Ohio to me.

I never claimed that it's difficult to vote in Ohio. You said everyone in America of voting age has an ID. I said otherwise. Sure you can use a bank statement to vote in Ohio, but Republicans are pushing for Photo IDs in order to vote. Look at Wisconsin.

Again. Everyone in America has some sort of identification. If people are too lazy to take that identification and get a FREE Voter ID that is their problem. If there are groups bussing people to the voting booth, those good people can surely bus people to get their FREE Voter ID so that when they go to vote they can actually prove who they are.

(11-02-2018 12:06 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

Quote:If the Left was smart... they'd integrate people signing up for voting when they are signing up for social services like welfare, etc.
Make sure people are signed up and that they will get absentee ballots mailed to their residence.
That'd make sure everyone of them would be registered and ready to vote for more gov handouts. Thankfully the left isn't that smart.
They are sinister... but not always the smartest

here is another fallacy. You can't get welfare or assistance or healthcare (beyond the ER) without a valid ID.

I didn't say that social services should sign people up for getting an ID.
Having an ID is not the same as being signed up to vote. I was talking about, Social Services making sure people are signed up to vote as they fill out the paperwork for everything else.