(10-31-2018 12:46 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 10:09 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 01:48 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 01:31 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 11:42 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  I'm not throwing in the towel on Cal just yet, but it does seem like he has lost some of his shine the last few years.

Their program is functioning at a high high level. Cal is fine.

When a Sweet 16 is a down year, you're doing something right. It's called recruiting. Funny that having the #2 recruiting class means you are slipping.

That being said, if Cal where 1/2 the coach the Kentucky Tards think he is, he'd have more Natty's than K (2008, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2015). All those years (except 2010 with our recruiting class) were Cal's Final Four years with VASTLY superior teams. All those 1st rounders and losing up 9 with 2 to go vs KU, losing in Elite 8 to the inferior Huggy Bear Mountaineers, UConn twice in Final Four, and white bread Wisconsin when Cats were 38-0.

When the NCAA finally comes to Lexington, the narrative will flip to how grossly Cal underachieved with all of that talent.

Yep. In 20 years at Memphis and Kentucky, he has been a underachiever.
Yes he has put a lot of good players in the NBA with his one and done recruiting strategy and he loves to strut at the NBA draft but, at the end of the day, he had vastly superior talent and won only one title in all his years of coaching. His cover is that he is more proud of #1 Draft picks than National championships.

That is BS and everyone knows it. Just a way to satisfy KY fans into thinking they are getting their money’s worth.

To be fair, getting players to the NBA is the exact same pitch Penny is using to get players to Memphis. And it’s apart of your job when bringing in players. Cal is very good at that which in turn lessons his need for coaching ability. Obviously he’d coach circles around anyone of us but let’s be honest, Cal would never come up when talking best X and O guys in college basketball.

Penny also uses winning a national championship as part of his pitch. Might be hard for Cal do do that with a straight face.

(10-31-2018 12:46 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 10:09 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 01:48 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 01:31 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 11:42 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  I'm not throwing in the towel on Cal just yet, but it does seem like he has lost some of his shine the last few years.

Their program is functioning at a high high level. Cal is fine.

When a Sweet 16 is a down year, you're doing something right. It's called recruiting. Funny that having the #2 recruiting class means you are slipping.

That being said, if Cal where 1/2 the coach the Kentucky Tards think he is, he'd have more Natty's than K (2008, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2015). All those years (except 2010 with our recruiting class) were Cal's Final Four years with VASTLY superior teams. All those 1st rounders and losing up 9 with 2 to go vs KU, losing in Elite 8 to the inferior Huggy Bear Mountaineers, UConn twice in Final Four, and white bread Wisconsin when Cats were 38-0.

When the NCAA finally comes to Lexington, the narrative will flip to how grossly Cal underachieved with all of that talent.

Yep. In 20 years at Memphis and Kentucky, he has been a underachiever.
Yes he has put a lot of good players in the NBA with his one and done recruiting strategy and he loves to strut at the NBA draft but, at the end of the day, he had vastly superior talent and won only one title in all his years of coaching. His cover is that he is more proud of #1 Draft picks than National championships.

That is BS and everyone knows it. Just a way to satisfy KY fans into thinking they are getting their money’s worth.

To be fair, getting players to the NBA is the exact same pitch Penny is using to get players to Memphis. And it’s apart of your job when bringing in players. Cal is very good at that which in turn lessons his need for coaching ability. Obviously he’d coach circles around anyone of us but let’s be honest, Cal would never come up when talking best X and O guys in college basketball.

Cal is one of the best game plan coaches ever. But he's no Greg Marshall, Bill Self when it comes to adjustments. I'm hoping Penny can be above average in all areas.

Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Lute Olson, Jim Boeheim and Larry Brown also only have one National Championship. Huggins, and Ben Howland have none. Only 9 coaches have more than one in the last 50 years. Only 5 coaches have been to more Final Fours than Cal. It's not like Final Fours and National Championships grow on trees.

I would imagine that they are real salty right now since Penny is on the front page of ESPN at the moment.

(10-31-2018 04:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Lute Olson, Jim Boeheim and Larry Brown also only have one National Championship. Huggins, and Ben Howland have none. Only 9 coaches have more than one in the last 50 years. Only 5 coaches have been to more Final Fours than Cal. It's not like Final Fours and National Championships grow on trees.

True, but I might also say that none of those guys (as good as they might be) have consistently and routinely had as stacked a team, year in and year out, as Calipari.

(10-31-2018 04:59 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 04:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Lute Olson, Jim Boeheim and Larry Brown also only have one National Championship. Huggins, and Ben Howland have none. Only 9 coaches have more than one in the last 50 years. Only 5 coaches have been to more Final Fours than Cal. It's not like Final Fours and National Championships grow on trees.

True, but I might also say that none of those guys (as good as they might be) have consistently and routinely had as stacked a team, year in and year out, as Calipari.

Yep, that’s the difference. Startind at Memphis in ‘06 or ‘07 through his KY run Cal close to having equal or better talent most years. UConn’s most talented team didn’t win NC but two others did including the miracle run by ‘14 team; when they curb stomped us at Forum in Conference Tourney, I told my friends this team was on a helluva run.

Calipari had 3 1st Round Picks and 2 2nd round picks on that 2012 championship team. He beat a Self coached Kansas team that had 1 first round pick. One thing consistent with Cal is that he needs a lot of high level players to win. He's done a good job of getting them though (snake oil salesman). Jay Wright has done way more with way less.

(10-31-2018 04:59 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 04:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Lute Olson, Jim Boeheim and Larry Brown also only have one National Championship. Huggins, and Ben Howland have none. Only 9 coaches have more than one in the last 50 years. Only 5 coaches have been to more Final Fours than Cal. It's not like Final Fours and National Championships grow on trees.

True, but I might also say that none of those guys (as good as they might be) have consistently and routinely had as stacked a team, year in and year out, as Calipari.

Cal has had teams staked with talent...Not experience...

He has not not had a team with much balance since he made it to UK

(11-01-2018 08:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 04:59 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 04:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Lute Olson, Jim Boeheim and Larry Brown also only have one National Championship. Huggins, and Ben Howland have none. Only 9 coaches have more than one in the last 50 years. Only 5 coaches have been to more Final Fours than Cal. It's not like Final Fours and National Championships grow on trees.

True, but I might also say that none of those guys (as good as they might be) have consistently and routinely had as stacked a team, year in and year out, as Calipari.

Cal has had teams staked with talent...Not experience...

He has not not had a team with much balance since he made it to UK

Trueth

(11-01-2018 08:26 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 08:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 04:59 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 04:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Lute Olson, Jim Boeheim and Larry Brown also only have one National Championship. Huggins, and Ben Howland have none. Only 9 coaches have more than one in the last 50 years. Only 5 coaches have been to more Final Fours than Cal. It's not like Final Fours and National Championships grow on trees.

True, but I might also say that none of those guys (as good as they might be) have consistently and routinely had as stacked a team, year in and year out, as Calipari.

Cal has had teams staked with talent...Not experience...

He has not not had a team with much balance since he made it to UK

Trueth

Yo easterhood....what’s the skinny brother?

(11-01-2018 08:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 04:59 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 04:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Lute Olson, Jim Boeheim and Larry Brown also only have one National Championship. Huggins, and Ben Howland have none. Only 9 coaches have more than one in the last 50 years. Only 5 coaches have been to more Final Fours than Cal. It's not like Final Fours and National Championships grow on trees.

True, but I might also say that none of those guys (as good as they might be) have consistently and routinely had as stacked a team, year in and year out, as Calipari.

Cal has had teams staked with talent...Not experience...

He has not not had a team with much balance since he made it to UK

The closest he had was the championship year when he had Miller, Lamb and Jones return. Wonder if that is telling us anything??

(11-01-2018 08:26 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 08:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 04:59 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 04:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Lute Olson, Jim Boeheim and Larry Brown also only have one National Championship. Huggins, and Ben Howland have none. Only 9 coaches have more than one in the last 50 years. Only 5 coaches have been to more Final Fours than Cal. It's not like Final Fours and National Championships grow on trees.

True, but I might also say that none of those guys (as good as they might be) have consistently and routinely had as stacked a team, year in and year out, as Calipari.

Cal has had teams staked with talent...Not experience...

He has not not had a team with much balance since he made it to UK

Trueth

Whose choice is that? He has has to live with his choices and probably end his career with just one National championship with perhaps the most talented team since one and done was just getting started.

(10-31-2018 03:34 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 12:46 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(10-31-2018 10:09 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 01:48 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 01:31 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Their program is functioning at a high high level. Cal is fine.

When a Sweet 16 is a down year, you're doing something right. It's called recruiting. Funny that having the #2 recruiting class means you are slipping.

That being said, if Cal where 1/2 the coach the Kentucky Tards think he is, he'd have more Natty's than K (2008, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2015). All those years (except 2010 with our recruiting class) were Cal's Final Four years with VASTLY superior teams. All those 1st rounders and losing up 9 with 2 to go vs KU, losing in Elite 8 to the inferior Huggy Bear Mountaineers, UConn twice in Final Four, and white bread Wisconsin when Cats were 38-0.

When the NCAA finally comes to Lexington, the narrative will flip to how grossly Cal underachieved with all of that talent.

Yep. In 20 years at Memphis and Kentucky, he has been a underachiever.
Yes he has put a lot of good players in the NBA with his one and done recruiting strategy and he loves to strut at the NBA draft but, at the end of the day, he had vastly superior talent and won only one title in all his years of coaching. His cover is that he is more proud of #1 Draft picks than National championships.

That is BS and everyone knows it. Just a way to satisfy KY fans into thinking they are getting their money’s worth.

To be fair, getting players to the NBA is the exact same pitch Penny is using to get players to Memphis. And it’s apart of your job when bringing in players. Cal is very good at that which in turn lessons his need for coaching ability. Obviously he’d coach circles around anyone of us but let’s be honest, Cal would never come up when talking best X and O guys in college basketball.

Cal is one of the best game plan coaches ever. But he's no Greg Marshall, Bill Self when it comes to adjustments. I'm hoping Penny can be above average in all areas.

Based on talent he has had he should have won at least three titles. Very questionable bench coach.

Do not forget he was not doing that well at Memphis until the laurinburg prep guys all showed up. Team had lost 16 games and did not make post season year before they arrived.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...s-wiseman/

Well, these two at least think he's coming here....

(11-02-2018 03:39 PM)RandyW_Class83 Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...s-wiseman/

Well, these two at least think he's coming here....

#21

Quote:21. James Wiseman will verbally commit to Hardaway and Memphis over Calipari and Kentucky. Wiseman will provide one of the biggest headlines of the season -- and do so despite not being a college player. This will also bring in a new level of interest and intrigue in recruiting power nationally. Kentucky and Duke will be joined by Memphis, and don't forget that Arizona hasn't lost all its pull -- and Villanova's entered the room too.

ANOTHER ONE FROM NORLANDER

(11-01-2018 08:30 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Calipari had 3 1st Round Picks and 2 2nd round picks on that 2012 championship team. He beat a Self coached Kansas team that had 1 first round pick. One thing consistent with Cal is that he needs a lot of high level players to win. He's done a good job of getting them though (snake oil salesman). Jay Wright has done way more with way less.

Ironically, with 1 minute left we were up 62-56 in 2008. With a minute left in 2012 Kentucky was up 62-56. I was hoping for a repeat but the momentum was obvious. It wasn’t Chalmers 3 that killed us as much as the steal and 3 at the 1:4O mark

(11-02-2018 03:43 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 03:39 PM)RandyW_Class83 Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...s-wiseman/

Well, these two at least think he's coming here....

#21

Quote:21. James Wiseman will verbally commit to Hardaway and Memphis over Calipari and Kentucky. Wiseman will provide one of the biggest headlines of the season -- and do so despite not being a college player. This will also bring in a new level of interest and intrigue in recruiting power nationally. Kentucky and Duke will be joined by Memphis, and don't forget that Arizona hasn't lost all its pull -- and Villanova's entered the room too.

ANOTHER ONE FROM NORLANDER

James Wiseman will verbally commit to Hardaway and Memphis over Calipari and Kentucky. Wiseman will provide one of the biggest headlines of the season -- and do so despite not being a college player. This will also bring in a new level of interest and intrigue in recruiting power nationally. Kentucky and Duke will be joined by Memphis, and don't forget that Arizona hasn't lost all its pull -- and Villanova's entered the room too.


Boom!!!! What an awesome hire. Rudd and Laurie are smart men.

Cal has had some luck with the seeding in the NCAA tournament also. Some years he didn't face a good overall team until the final four.

(11-02-2018 03:48 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 08:30 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Calipari had 3 1st Round Picks and 2 2nd round picks on that 2012 championship team. He beat a Self coached Kansas team that had 1 first round pick. One thing consistent with Cal is that he needs a lot of high level players to win. He's done a good job of getting them though (snake oil salesman). Jay Wright has done way more with way less.

Ironically, with 1 minute left we were up 62-56 in 2008. With a minute left in 2012 Kentucky was up 62-56. I was hoping for a repeat but the momentum was obvious. It wasn’t Chalmers 3 that killed us as much as the steal and 3 at the 1:4O mark

Would that be the steal where Kansas was roughly three inches out of bounds?

(11-02-2018 03:51 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  Boom!!!! What an awesome hire. Rudd and Laurie are smart men.

They hired Tubby for stupid money too.