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(10-31-2018 12:10 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 10:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so reading on twitter this morning the expectation is that Kershaw probably will reup and get a year or 2 added to his deal....

from Olney:
Almost all of the educated guesses heard from agents/execs about Clayton Kershaw's situation is that the left-hander and the Dodgers will work out some kind of extension of one or two years, beyond the two years/$70 million he is owed. He has to decide whether to opt out today.

and Bob Nightengale replying to Olney's post
Agree, Clayton Kershaw will stay with #Dodgers but get at least one more year tacked onto contract through 2021

I'm not upset with an extra year at $30MMish. You wouldn't think that should handcuff the FO.

ETA: But worth noting Olney and Nightengale are both speculating. No sources cited.

ETA2: And Nightengale is often wrong.
Wasn't Nightengale pretty spot on with the Machado deal?
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on Nats front- they've been busy rebuilding pen. Picked up Doolittles option, traded for Barraclaugh, and now have signed Rosenthal.. I think all 3 moves are very solid. Maybe get 1 more guy(lefty maybe) and pen should be at least solid entering next season.
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(10-31-2018 12:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 12:10 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 10:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so reading on twitter this morning the expectation is that Kershaw probably will reup and get a year or 2 added to his deal....

from Olney:
Almost all of the educated guesses heard from agents/execs about Clayton Kershaw's situation is that the left-hander and the Dodgers will work out some kind of extension of one or two years, beyond the two years/$70 million he is owed. He has to decide whether to opt out today.

and Bob Nightengale replying to Olney's post
Agree, Clayton Kershaw will stay with #Dodgers but get at least one more year tacked onto contract through 2021

I'm not upset with an extra year at $30MMish. You wouldn't think that should handcuff the FO.

ETA: But worth noting Olney and Nightengale are both speculating. No sources cited.

ETA2: And Nightengale is often wrong.
Wasn't Nightengale pretty spot on with the Machado deal?

Blind squirrels/nuts, broken clocks...blah, blah, blah.
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(10-31-2018 12:21 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 12:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I wonder if the Dodgers will see value in mixing in some contact hitters? LeMahieu is a FA and a terrific contact guy, and 2nd base is still an unsettled position for the Dodgers. (Dozier isn't working, Muncy just isn't an every day 2nd baseman let alone the regression issues, Hernandez and Taylor had pumpkin-esque seasons this year). And working Verdugo into the outfield would get some nice contact balance into the lineup.

Do you see anyone else toppling the Dodgers next season (in NL West and in NL overall?) Or do you see them right back in WS again?

I'd have to be an idiot to expect them back in the World Series. I think the Dodgers have a team right now that's a WS contender but they'll make some improvements. If they can just fix the pen it'll be a huge gain.

Rumors going around that Phillies will be spending big (going after Machado AND Harper!). If that's the case they could be formidable. Cubs, Rockies, Brewers will be tough. Depending on what they do with Harper (or the money they "save" by not signing him), Nats could be right in there too.
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Yeah the pen really is huge for LA. What I think is funny is they had guys like Maeda, Wood- that could have been used like Eovaldi- but they made them single inning type of relievers normally. Maeda in the last 2 years had only 3 appearances out of 17 that he got more than 3 outs. Part of it with Maeda was the innings money I'm sure in the regular season so they were only pitching him there an inning at a time- so he wasn't stretched out for the playoffs.
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(10-31-2018 01:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah the pen really is huge for LA. What I think is funny is they had guys like Maeda, Wood- that could have been used like Eovaldi- but they made them single inning type of relievers normally. Maeda in the last 2 years had only 3 appearances out of 17 that he got more than 3 outs. Part of it with Maeda was the innings money I'm sure in the regular season so they were only pitching him there an inning at a time- so he wasn't stretched out for the playoffs.

Maeda wasn't nearly the bullpen asset he was last year. Wouldn't be surprised to see Maeda back in the rotation to stay from now on. Wood was more of a versatility/depth move and I don't think there's any intention to have him in the pen. In fact, I think he's pretty decent trade bait: One more year of team control, reasonably priced (MLB Rumors has his arbitration at $9MM).
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(10-31-2018 01:25 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah the pen really is huge for LA. What I think is funny is they had guys like Maeda, Wood- that could have been used like Eovaldi- but they made them single inning type of relievers normally. Maeda in the last 2 years had only 3 appearances out of 17 that he got more than 3 outs. Part of it with Maeda was the innings money I'm sure in the regular season so they were only pitching him there an inning at a time- so he wasn't stretched out for the playoffs.

Maeda wasn't nearly the bullpen asset he was last year. Wouldn't be surprised to see Maeda back in the rotation to stay from now on. Wood was more of a versatility/depth move and I don't think there's any intention to have him in the pen. In fact, I think he's pretty decent trade bait: One more year of team control, reasonably priced (MLB Rumors has his arbitration at $9MM).

I suspect part of it with Maeda was he felt like the Dodgers cost him a lot of money- which they did. It's going to be really interesting to see him going forward. Dodgers would be smart to do more of a set contract with him for both sides quite frankly.....

Wood is interesting. 1 year of team control. Not sure what they could get back for him- don't think it'd be all that much for how much he struggled late in the year....
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(10-31-2018 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:25 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah the pen really is huge for LA. What I think is funny is they had guys like Maeda, Wood- that could have been used like Eovaldi- but they made them single inning type of relievers normally. Maeda in the last 2 years had only 3 appearances out of 17 that he got more than 3 outs. Part of it with Maeda was the innings money I'm sure in the regular season so they were only pitching him there an inning at a time- so he wasn't stretched out for the playoffs.

Maeda wasn't nearly the bullpen asset he was last year. Wouldn't be surprised to see Maeda back in the rotation to stay from now on. Wood was more of a versatility/depth move and I don't think there's any intention to have him in the pen. In fact, I think he's pretty decent trade bait: One more year of team control, reasonably priced (MLB Rumors has his arbitration at $9MM).

I suspect part of it with Maeda was he felt like the Dodgers cost him a lot of money- which they did. It's going to be really interesting to see him going forward. Dodgers would be smart to do more of a set contract with him for both sides quite frankly.....

Wood is interesting. 1 year of team control. Not sure what they could get back for him- don't think it'd be all that much for how much he struggled late in the year....

??? We're right in the middle of a parallel conversation about how ****** the state of starting pitching is! A 7 digit salary guy who has proven numbers (even if they slid late in the year) ABSOLUTELY has value!
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RE: Hot Stove 2018/19
(10-31-2018 02:23 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:25 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah the pen really is huge for LA. What I think is funny is they had guys like Maeda, Wood- that could have been used like Eovaldi- but they made them single inning type of relievers normally. Maeda in the last 2 years had only 3 appearances out of 17 that he got more than 3 outs. Part of it with Maeda was the innings money I'm sure in the regular season so they were only pitching him there an inning at a time- so he wasn't stretched out for the playoffs.

Maeda wasn't nearly the bullpen asset he was last year. Wouldn't be surprised to see Maeda back in the rotation to stay from now on. Wood was more of a versatility/depth move and I don't think there's any intention to have him in the pen. In fact, I think he's pretty decent trade bait: One more year of team control, reasonably priced (MLB Rumors has his arbitration at $9MM).

I suspect part of it with Maeda was he felt like the Dodgers cost him a lot of money- which they did. It's going to be really interesting to see him going forward. Dodgers would be smart to do more of a set contract with him for both sides quite frankly.....

Wood is interesting. 1 year of team control. Not sure what they could get back for him- don't think it'd be all that much for how much he struggled late in the year....

??? We're right in the middle of a parallel conversation about how ****** the state of starting pitching is! A 7 digit salary guy who has proven numbers (even if they slid late in the year) ABSOLUTELY has value!

They might be willing to pay him that money, but to pay him that money and give up something as well? That's a different story. I don't think he'd fetch what you would think quite frankly.
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(10-31-2018 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I suspect part of it with Maeda was he felt like the Dodgers cost him a lot of money- which they did. It's going to be really interesting to see him going forward. Dodgers would be smart to do more of a set contract with him for both sides quite frankly.....

I disagree. If the Dodgers believe your suspicion to be true they should trade him tomorrow. Maeda having a temper tantrum over contract conditions he agreed to is bad enough. The Dodgers admitting that kind of behavior will be not just tolerated but rewarded? Wrong message.
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Also frankly from Dodgers side of things- not sure with just how extended Buehler was and also the questions with Urias- if they would even look to deal Wood. Especially if one or both of Kershaw and Ryu are gone. If both were gone for sake of discussion- they'd enter free agency with Buehler, Maeda, Hill, Stripling, and Wood. And Urias/Ferguson.
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(10-31-2018 02:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I suspect part of it with Maeda was he felt like the Dodgers cost him a lot of money- which they did. It's going to be really interesting to see him going forward. Dodgers would be smart to do more of a set contract with him for both sides quite frankly.....

I disagree. If the Dodgers believe your suspicion to be true they should trade him tomorrow. Maeda having a temper tantrum over contract conditions he agreed to is bad enough. The Dodgers admitting that kind of behavior will be not just tolerated but rewarded? Wrong message.

but the thing is, the Dodgers got lucky that none of the injuries returned to the starters. If it did- Maeda would have been right back in the rotation ringing up those bonuses. He got 3 million in bonuses this year after getting 4.75 last year. I would think the Dodgers would want some sort of set thing where they wouldn't be in that place going forward. Where they can make their decisions based on what's the best for the team competitively rather than best for the team financially.
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(10-31-2018 02:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 02:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I suspect part of it with Maeda was he felt like the Dodgers cost him a lot of money- which they did. It's going to be really interesting to see him going forward. Dodgers would be smart to do more of a set contract with him for both sides quite frankly.....

I disagree. If the Dodgers believe your suspicion to be true they should trade him tomorrow. Maeda having a temper tantrum over contract conditions he agreed to is bad enough. The Dodgers admitting that kind of behavior will be not just tolerated but rewarded? Wrong message.

but the thing is, the Dodgers got lucky that none of the injuries returned to the starters. If it did- Maeda would have been right back in the rotation ringing up those bonuses. He got 3 million in bonuses this year after getting 4.75 last year. I would think the Dodgers would want some sort of set thing where they wouldn't be in that place going forward. Where they can make their decisions based on what's the best for the team competitively rather than best for the team financially.

I doubt that. 2018 was unique - trying to reset their luxury tax. It's a great contract for the Dodgers - they'd be dumb to rework it. And they could probably get a lot for trading it (although I doubt they will - it's such a great deal).
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(10-31-2018 02:38 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 02:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 02:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I suspect part of it with Maeda was he felt like the Dodgers cost him a lot of money- which they did. It's going to be really interesting to see him going forward. Dodgers would be smart to do more of a set contract with him for both sides quite frankly.....

I disagree. If the Dodgers believe your suspicion to be true they should trade him tomorrow. Maeda having a temper tantrum over contract conditions he agreed to is bad enough. The Dodgers admitting that kind of behavior will be not just tolerated but rewarded? Wrong message.

but the thing is, the Dodgers got lucky that none of the injuries returned to the starters. If it did- Maeda would have been right back in the rotation ringing up those bonuses. He got 3 million in bonuses this year after getting 4.75 last year. I would think the Dodgers would want some sort of set thing where they wouldn't be in that place going forward. Where they can make their decisions based on what's the best for the team competitively rather than best for the team financially.

I doubt that. 2018 was unique - trying to reset their luxury tax. It's a great contract for the Dodgers - they'd be dumb to rework it. And they could probably get a lot for trading it (although I doubt they will - it's such a great deal).
yeah you might be right.
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(10-31-2018 02:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I suspect part of it with Maeda was he felt like the Dodgers cost him a lot of money- which they did. It's going to be really interesting to see him going forward. Dodgers would be smart to do more of a set contract with him for both sides quite frankly.....

I disagree. If the Dodgers believe your suspicion to be true they should trade him tomorrow. Maeda having a temper tantrum over contract conditions he agreed to is bad enough. The Dodgers admitting that kind of behavior will be not just tolerated but rewarded? Wrong message.

It was an incentive laden contract. The Dodgers denied him the ability to earn those incentives. He should be pissed.
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(10-31-2018 04:47 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 02:29 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(10-31-2018 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I suspect part of it with Maeda was he felt like the Dodgers cost him a lot of money- which they did. It's going to be really interesting to see him going forward. Dodgers would be smart to do more of a set contract with him for both sides quite frankly.....

I disagree. If the Dodgers believe your suspicion to be true they should trade him tomorrow. Maeda having a temper tantrum over contract conditions he agreed to is bad enough. The Dodgers admitting that kind of behavior will be not just tolerated but rewarded? Wrong message.

It was an incentive laden contract. The Dodgers denied him the ability to earn those incentives. He should be pissed.

I have no problem with him being pissed but if Maeda is demotivated or too distracted by his anger over compensation issues, the solution isn't to renegotiate his contract.
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Kershaw and Dodgers extended his opt out deadline to Friday; they are clearly negotiating an extension.
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The Reds GM has been told to buy pitching, and that money won't be a limiting factor.

"In Monday’s press conference to announce new manager David Bell - the result of a managerial change, no less - team owner Bob Castellini repeatedly said ‘we’re going to get the pitching,’ to a point where it specifically stood out to The Athletic’s C. Trent Rosecrans. "


https://www.redreporter.com/2018/10/24/1...david-bell
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(11-01-2018 10:14 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  The Reds GM has been told to buy pitching, and that money won't be a limiting factor.

"In Monday’s press conference to announce new manager David Bell - the result of a managerial change, no less - team owner Bob Castellini repeatedly said ‘we’re going to get the pitching,’ to a point where it specifically stood out to The Athletic’s C. Trent Rosecrans. "


https://www.redreporter.com/2018/10/24/1...david-bell

Interesting. Their pitching was at/near the bottom of the league this year, while offense was middling. Definitely the right place to start.
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(11-01-2018 10:31 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 10:14 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  The Reds GM has been told to buy pitching, and that money won't be a limiting factor.

"In Monday’s press conference to announce new manager David Bell - the result of a managerial change, no less - team owner Bob Castellini repeatedly said ‘we’re going to get the pitching,’ to a point where it specifically stood out to The Athletic’s C. Trent Rosecrans. "


https://www.redreporter.com/2018/10/24/1...david-bell

Interesting. Their pitching was at/near the bottom of the league this year, while offense was middling. Definitely the right place to start.
You would think they would have to way overpay for pitching given the park they're in...
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