(10-30-2018 10:50 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 08:09 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 07:41 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  We aren't going to win this game regardless of quarterback. There's no point in throwing Whatley to the wolves.

The QB play is the reason we have our losses. I dont know if Whatley is the 4answer, but the guy that threw 16 tds and only 2 ints last year, is 6'3 225 lbs with a cannon arm and can run would be quite the upgrade to Jack Abrahturnover.

He also had ITO to open things up. Abraham had no run game support or offensive line to block for him.

BUT...Whatley can run ala Austin Davis, which can open up the running game...Abraham is slower than me, which is down right frightening , and no one on defense pays him any attention...

But keep starting Jack (who is a great kid but struggling right now) Coach Hopson, you'll show us, which will probably end up showing you the door.

Hopson could lose the next 5 games by 50 points each and he wouldn't get canned. We just extended the freaking guy 4 years.

(10-30-2018 11:17 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Hopson could lose the next 5 games by 50 points with Abraham at QB

Fixed

(10-30-2018 11:10 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  Abraham is like me, no one pays him any attention.

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(10-30-2018 10:50 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 08:09 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 07:41 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  We aren't going to win this game regardless of quarterback. There's no point in throwing Whatley to the wolves.

The QB play is the reason we have our losses. I dont know if Whatley is the 4answer, but the guy that threw 16 tds and only 2 ints last year, is 6'3 225 lbs with a cannon arm and can run would be quite the upgrade to Jack Abrahturnover.

He also had ITO to open things up. Abraham had no run game support or offensive line to block for him.

No denying that. But Whatley didnt have Ito either. And more importantly, Ito and the Oline didnt throw those interceptions or fumble those balls. Neither did Whatley or Griggs. Jack did that himself.

(10-30-2018 03:01 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 10:50 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 08:09 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 07:41 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  We aren't going to win this game regardless of quarterback. There's no point in throwing Whatley to the wolves.

The QB play is the reason we have our losses. I dont know if Whatley is the 4answer, but the guy that threw 16 tds and only 2 ints last year, is 6'3 225 lbs with a cannon arm and can run would be quite the upgrade to Jack Abrahturnover.

He also had ITO to open things up. Abraham had no run game support or offensive line to block for him.

No denying that. But Whatley didnt have Ito either. And more importantly, Ito and the Oline didnt throw those interceptions or fumble those balls. Neither did Whatley or Griggs. Jack did that himself.

I gotta go with Reggie Favor on this one---and WHY give up when you're 3-4?

We have a top 20 defense that can keep us in the game...and while Marshall and UAB look formidable, it is not impossible with a signal caller that is not a turnover machine.

https://www.sunherald.com/sports/college...88190.html


Finally, people are catching on (or reading my posts)...and writing about it -

"It’s plainly clear that the main reason USM is in this situation is the shaky play of the offense."

"Abraham has improved on USM’s accuracy in the passing game by hitting 72.3 percent of his attempts, but his 10 interceptions have played a large role in the offensive woes.

USM’s two quarterbacks last year, Griggs and Keon Howard, combined to complete 56.3 percent of their passes, but their combined interception total added up to seven. Griggs, last year’s primary starter, had 16 passing touchdowns with two interceptions.

Griggs and Howard were also athletic enough to take off and run for a first down when the pass rush was closing in. Abraham hasn’t shown that ability much, but Whatley has proven that he can pull off big gainers when he decides to run."

(10-31-2018 04:13 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  https://www.sunherald.com/sports/college...88190.html


Finally, people are catching on (or reading my posts)...and writing about it -

"It’s plainly clear that the main reason USM is in this situation is the shaky play of the offense."

"Abraham has improved on USM’s accuracy in the passing game by hitting 72.3 percent of his attempts, but his 10 interceptions have played a large role in the offensive woes.

USM’s two quarterbacks last year, Griggs and Keon Howard, combined to complete 56.3 percent of their passes, but their combined interception total added up to seven. Griggs, last year’s primary starter, had 16 passing touchdowns with two interceptions.

Griggs and Howard were also athletic enough to take off and run for a first down when the pass rush was closing in. Abraham hasn’t shown that ability much, but Whatley has proven that he can pull off big gainers when he decides to run."

It's so easy to put a kid in one game and then come to a conclusion that he should be playing. I'm not saying Whatley isn't the better athlete or runner. However, it was a bit obvious that he rarely looked past the #1 receiver. He looked, and if that receiver was not open he took off. Abraham has been going through his reads. And with this offensive line, by the time he went through the reads, it's too late to run. Maybe Abraham should be taking off sooner, but I'll have to see Whatley play more before I get too excited. JMHO

I'm not sold on Whatley at all, but I've seen plenty of Jack. He can play in three more games and still be able to red shirt. If he doesn't get significant playing time at this point, then Hopson is even dumber and a bigger ****stick than I thought. And i already think that he is a stupid idiot and a serious ****stick.

(10-31-2018 09:59 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  I'm not sold on Whatley at all, but I've seen plenty of Jack. He can play in three more games and still be able to red shirt. If he doesn't get significant playing time at this point, then Hopson is even dumber and a bigger ****stick than I thought. And i already think that he is a stupid idiot and a serious ****stick.

What’s a ****stick?
Jack is pressing. He’s trying to do to much. Would be good to let him watch from the sidelines at least a few series a game.

Howard was too inaccurate to throw a lot of picks.

Jack is a passer, not a runner. I don't have an issue with that, especially if we had a decent run game and O line. Tate is very quick to pull the ball down and run. He made 2 good passes against Charlotte, not including the second TD which was a jump ball into triple coverage.

Charlotte game plan against a team that couldn't run, but could pass and pass a lot. They didn't game plan against a QB that won't stay in the pocket to pass, but takes off running quick.

Austin Davis had 8 INTs his Freshman year and 11 INTs his senior year.
Nick Mullens had 14 INTs his freshman year, 9 sophomore year, 12 junior year and 11 senior year.
Brett Favre had 13 INTs his freshman year.

I liked what I saw from Tate, but he would need to start and finish 2 games before I could really say he gives us a better chance of winning than Jack.

Hopson should have changed QBs at the half. He said he put Griggs in during UNT game because he wanted to see if he could give us a spark. Griggs didn't need to go in and Hopson was questions about that decision. We needed a spark during the Charlotte game and Hopson didn't change QBs until after he had to.

(11-01-2018 07:44 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Howard was too inaccurate to throw a lot of picks.

(11-01-2018 07:46 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  Austin Davis had 8 INTs his Freshman year and 11 INTs his senior year.
Nick Mullens had 14 INTs his freshman year, 9 sophomore year, 12 junior year and 11 senior year.
Brett Favre had 13 INTs his freshman year.

Jack is a sophomore. Nevertheless....

Austin Davis had 23 passing tds his freshman year / 9 rushing tds and 30 passing tds his senior year / 4 rushing tds.
Nick Mullens had 13 (on worst usm team of all time), 12, 38 and 24 tds. With 2, 0, 3, 4 tds rushing).

You conveniently left all those numbers off.
I believe at least 9 of Jacks 12 tds were from shovel passes, screens or a 2 yard slant. Four of them were against JSU. His passing percentge beyond 15 yards is about 5%.

Vs JSU, ULM and Rice - 10 tds / 3 ints. Not much film on him.either.

Vs Auburn, UTSA and Charlotte- 2 tds / 6 ints.

Im not quite ready to compare Jack Abraham to Brett Favre.

(11-01-2018 08:39 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 07:46 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  Austin Davis had 8 INTs his Freshman year and 11 INTs his senior year.
Nick Mullens had 14 INTs his freshman year, 9 sophomore year, 12 junior year and 11 senior year.
Brett Favre had 13 INTs his freshman year.

Jack is a sophomore. Nevertheless....

Austin Davis had 23 passing tds his freshman year / 9 rushing tds and 30 passing tds his senior year / 4 rushing tds.
Nick Mullens had 13 (on worst usm team of all time), 12, 38 and 24 tds. With 2, 0, 3, 4 tds rushing).

You conveniently left all those numbers off.
I believe at least 9 of Jacks 12 tds were from shovel passes, screens or a 2 yard slant. Four of them were against JSU. His passing percentge beyond 15 yards is about 5%.

Vs JSU, ULM and Rice - 10 tds / 3 ints. Not much film on him.either.

Vs Auburn, UTSA and Charlotte- 2 tds / 6 ints.

Im not quite ready to compare Jack Abraham to Brett Favre.

The topic was on turnovers, so that is what I was reporting on.

If you want to negate Jacks TDs because of the play, then you need to go figure out all of Austin's and Nick's TDs and what plays were being called for an accurate comparison.

Playing this game, you can subtract most of Austin's rushing TDs since they were QB sneaks and they were a result of O line.

I'm not a Jack Abraham fan, but no one on this board expected much from this team this season. That was even when we thought Griggs was starting QB.

No matter who we put in at QB, this offense still isn't going to be very good.