(03-26-2019 10:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Metro State Rejects The WAC, Staying D2


The WAC needs to find someone else.

This is old news.

UC-Colorado Springs would be a home run for the WAC. Tartleton State would be the other decent get with them being in Dallas and somewhat close to UT-RGV.

I'm not a huge fan of Western Washington and some of the other names mentioned.

The WAC has had bad luck keeping programs with the "Roadrunners" mascot. Probably best they didn't go to the well one more time.

(03-27-2019 10:31 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  The WAC has had bad luck keeping programs with the "Roadrunners" mascot. Probably best they didn't go to the well one more time.

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(03-27-2019 10:53 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote:  

(03-27-2019 10:31 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  The WAC has had bad luck keeping programs with the "Roadrunners" mascot. Probably best they didn't go to the well one more time.

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Any new developments? Here is a story going back nearly 3 months ago from Colorado Mesa (copy & paste the link - worse case scenario):

https://www.westernslopenow.com/sports/i...1749968407

No new schools on the horizon. Colorado Mesa is a no go. Metro State is a no go.

(03-27-2019 06:46 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  UC-Colorado Springs would be a home run for the WAC. Tartleton State would be the other decent get with them being in Dallas and somewhat close to UT-RGV.

I'm not a huge fan of Western Washington and some of the other names mentioned.

How would UC-Colorado Springs be a "home run". They average about 200 people for their games and play in a tiny gym?

(04-18-2019 03:04 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  No new schools on the horizon. Colorado Mesa is a no go. Metro State is a no go.

Tarleton State and Cal State Los Angeles are also two schools who have done a feasibility study. I doubt either is ready to make a move to D1.

Opinion Piece On Where Central Washington University Go To

This came out last November.
GNAC football could die if nothing is done to get more football members up from D3 and NAIA to move up.
Key points.
1.Lone Star agreement should not be a long term solution. Cost more money to travel.
2.RMAC would have the same issues as an all sport member. They would faced the same issues going to Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Oklahoma for some sports.
3.CWU could make club sports into varsity.
4.With Chicago State's troubles and UMKC WAC would be looking for teams.
5.CWU is upgrading their facilities.
6.CWU could join the WAC as a travel partner for Seattle U.
7.CWU is starting to schedule a lot of Big Sky schools in football.
8.Ellensburg is a growing city.
9.Joining WAC and can actually schedule more D1 west coast schools in football as an Independent just like Dixie State.
10.CWU and EWU can schedule can restart a yearly rivalry in the sports they play in like they used to when they were conference mates in the past.
11.CWU offers 5 men's sports and 7 women's sports. They also offered the emerging sport of men and women's Rugby. They could add from 7 men's club sports from LAX to Wrestling. They could add from 8 women's club sports from Equestrian to water polo.

The state of the GNAC today, I would not be surprise if CWU be asking the WAC to join.

Men's Sports:
Baseball
Basketball
Cross Country
Football
Track and Field
Rugby (emerging sport)

Club:
Golf
LAX
Soccer
Swimming and Diving
Tennis
Water Polo
Wrestling

Women's Sport:
Basketball
Cross Country
Rugby
Soccer
Softball
Track and Field
Volleyball

Club:
Equestrian
Golf
LAX
Ice Hockey
Swimming
Tennis
Water Polo

(08-06-2019 07:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Opinion Piece On Where Central Washington University Go To

This came out last November.
GNAC football could die if nothing is done to get more football members up from D3 and NAIA to move up.
Key points.
1.Lone Star agreement should not be a long term solution. Cost more money to travel.
2.RMAC would have the same issues as an all sport member. They would faced the same issues going to Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Oklahoma for some sports.
3.CWU could make club sports into varsity.
4.With Chicago State's troubles and UMKC WAC would be looking for teams.
5.CWU is upgrading their facilities.
6.CWU could join the WAC as a travel partner for Seattle U.
7.CWU is starting to schedule a lot of Big Sky schools in football.
8.Ellensburg is a growing city.
9.Joining WAC and can actually schedule more D1 west coast schools in football as an Independent just like Dixie State.
10.CWU and EWU can schedule can restart a yearly rivalry in the sports they play in like they used to when they were conference mates in the past.
11.CWU offers 5 men's sports and 6 women's sports. They also offered the emerging sport of men and women's Rugby. They could add from 7 men's club sports from LAX to Wrestling. They could add from 8 women's club sports from Equestrian to water polo.

The state of the GNAC today, I would not be surprise if CWU be asking the WAC to join.

Men's Sports:
Baseball
Basketball
Cross Country
Football
Track and Field
Rugby (emerging sport)

Club:
Golf
LAX
Soccer
Swimming and Diving
Tennis
Water Polo
Wrestling

Women's Sport:
Basketball
Cross Country
Soccer
Softball
Track and Field
Volleyball

Club:
Equestrian
Golf
LAX
Ice Hockey
Swimming
Tennis
Water Polo

Few things you should learn CWU has just above 11k that attend the school, and about Ellensburg there is around 20k people living in the town, 50k in Kittitas County....

Eastern Washington University wants nothing to do with CWU. These 2 schools don't play nice. EWU will only work with CWU if they if absolutely have too.

CWU to WAC makes sense but crossing over 90 in the winter is no picnic..

(08-06-2019 07:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Opinion Piece On Where Central Washington University Go To
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The "could" count in the post is 5. Upgrading facilities does not equal a desire for D1. The NCAA does not give a rat's*** about club sports. Men's Rugby is not an emerging sport and not recognized by the NCAA, Women's Rugby is and is a varsity sport at CWU. CWU has 13 NCAA championship varsity teams (6 men/7 women). CWU can use Women's Rugby to help satisfy T9 requirements but it's doubtful D1 would let CWU in with this sport as their 14th team. If Women's Rugby does not achieve NCAA championship status that would leave CWU in D1 with only 13 teams and not compliant with D1 policy.

Until CWU gets a 14th NCAA championship team, officially announces a desire for D1, and starts a feasibility study there is nothing to see here. Move along now.

(08-06-2019 02:32 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 07:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Opinion Piece On Where Central Washington University Go To
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The "could" count in the post is 5. Upgrading facilities does not equal a desire for D1. The NCAA does not give a rat's*** about club sports. Men's Rugby is not an emerging sport and not recognized by the NCAA, Women's Rugby is and is a varsity sport at CWU. CWU has 13 NCAA championship varsity teams (6 men/7 women). CWU can use Women's Rugby to help satisfy T9 requirements but it's doubtful D1 would let CWU in with this sport as their 14th team. If Women's Rugby does not achieve NCAA championship status that would leave CWU in D1 with only 13 teams and not compliant with D1 policy.

Until CWU gets a 14th NCAA championship team, officially announces a desire for D1, and starts a feasibility study there is nothing to see here. Move along now.

I forgot women's rugby which makes it 7. They do have a pool on campus, and could add men and women's swimming and diving which makes it 14 cheaply.

If the WAC loses Chicago State anytime soon, it will be in survival mode. I'm sure Hurd will scour the regional D2 ranks to see if there is any current interest in moving up to D1. Obviously Metro State's reluctance to move up anytime soon was a minor blow in the future stability of the WAC. In my opinion, once (if) Chicago State drops down, the WAC will need at least two D2 move ups within the following five years to regain its' stability. If the WAC is serious about starting up an FCS football conference, any new membership should be supporting a football program. Otherwise, if the WAC continues to add non-football playing schools, Dixie State football will need to go it alone in the FCS for the foreseeable future; much like NMSU has done in the FBS.

(08-06-2019 04:18 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  If the WAC loses Chicago State anytime soon, it will be in survival mode. I'm sure Hurd will scour the regional D2 ranks to see if there is any current interest in moving up to D1. Obviously Metro State's reluctance to move up anytime soon was a minor blow in the future stability of the WAC. In my opinion, once (if) Chicago State drops down, the WAC will need at least two D2 move ups within the following five years to regain its' stability. If the WAC is serious about starting up an FCS football conference, any new membership should be supporting a football program. Otherwise, if the WAC continues to add non-football playing schools, Dixie State football will need to go it alone in the FCS for the foreseeable future; much like NMSU has done in the FBS.

No schools in the west- I'm not including schools in Texas- have shown any indication they want to move to D1. All western D2 schools know the WAC is desperate for schools, and they would be accepted for membership. Yet, only two schools CBU and Dixie have taken the WAC up on their offer. In the near future-which is of the most concern for the WAC- it doesn't appear any school is going to make the move up.

(08-06-2019 03:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:32 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 07:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Opinion Piece On Where Central Washington University Go To
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The "could" count in the post is 5. Upgrading facilities does not equal a desire for D1. The NCAA does not give a rat's*** about club sports. Men's Rugby is not an emerging sport and not recognized by the NCAA, Women's Rugby is and is a varsity sport at CWU. CWU has 13 NCAA championship varsity teams (6 men/7 women). CWU can use Women's Rugby to help satisfy T9 requirements but it's doubtful D1 would let CWU in with this sport as their 14th team. If Women's Rugby does not achieve NCAA championship status that would leave CWU in D1 with only 13 teams and not compliant with D1 policy.

Until CWU gets a 14th NCAA championship team, officially announces a desire for D1, and starts a feasibility study there is nothing to see here. Move along now.

I forgot women's rugby which makes it 7. They do have a pool on campus, and could add men and women's swimming and diving which makes it 14 cheaply.

No, they already have 7 women's teams without rugby. And the "could" count increases to 6.

being back down to 7 is a concern. But It's not like there are any more schools moving. The WCC, Big West, Big Sky and MWC have no interest in expanding; the Big Sky and MWC in fact would be indifferent to losing a school to another conference, feeling no need or want to back fill. Same is true of the SLC, who like the Big Sky and C-USA over expanded and prefer to lose a member or two than to add anyone.

I actually think the Summit losing PUFW may be a blessing in disguise for he WAC. By July 2022 they will need to resolve being short a Baseball school. One possibility is they could start football, given they have 5 members already who play football, and WAC schools that play FCS, such as Dixie State could be invited as associates to have a 6th. This could help the WAC if they go that direction, in a similar manner that he Big South helps the ASUN, by allowing the D-II move ups with football to have a home. Thus an Azusa Pacific or Tarleton State could move up to the WAC and have a home for Football. That greatly widens the pool of potential move ups, as a lack of FCS football home is a clear barrier to WAC move ups.

Note, while that would be a great situation for the WAC to have the Summit start football, it is far more likely the summit gets a waiver from the NCAA to kick the can down the road until 2024 or even later, or alternately they decide to offer an associate something like $100K in distributions to shift their affiliation (Northern Colorado baseball seems a logical target) or that same offer to one of their current members to start up baseball. But from a WAC standpoint I'd prefer to see them start FCS football.

I think the ease in which Dixie was able to fill out a football schedule in a matter of weeks shows that the WAC doesn't need an FCS FB conference to give potential FB playing members an affiliate landing spot.

Any western D2 FB move up not located in a far flung location would have no issue filling a schedule.

There is clearly not an overwhelming demand by western D2 non-football schools to move up to DI. The conference needs to seriously consider FCS football and see if that can generate some interest.

(08-08-2019 10:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There is clearly not an overwhelming demand by western D2 non-football schools to move up to DI. The conference needs to seriously consider FCS football and see if that can generate some interest.

I think that move only comes in to play if/when NMSU finds an FBS home. Otherwise such a move causes them to bail and the WAC is down another body.

FCS WAC would cause NMSU to bail from the WAC to where?