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I read it in one of the 100 articles I read about Dixie state maybe going D1
12-18-2018 10:00 PM
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(12-18-2018 09:59 PM)KingSean Wrote:  
(12-18-2018 09:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(12-18-2018 08:59 PM)KingSean Wrote:  Will the WAC pay the exit fees for all the schools like they will for Dixie State?

No for any school and that includes Dixie State.

The WAC did say they would for Dixie State and waive their entry fee

If Dixie State can come up with the $1.7 million application fee to the NCAA, they can easily pay any exit fee from the RMAC and an entry fee of $450,000 to the WAC. The entry fee is usually paid in three installments over a three year period.
12-18-2018 11:05 PM
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(12-18-2018 11:05 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  If Dixie State can come up with the $1.7 million application fee to the NCAA, they can easily pay any exit fee from the RMAC and an entry fee of $450,000 to the WAC. The entry fee is usually paid in three installments over a three year period.

WAC needs bodies, so they probably "waive" it in the form of NCAA payout withholdings. WAC is in no position to let a piddly thing like conference entry/exit fees stand in their way of staying afloat.
12-18-2018 11:31 PM
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(12-18-2018 11:31 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-18-2018 11:05 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  If Dixie State can come up with the $1.7 million application fee to the NCAA, they can easily pay any exit fee from the RMAC and an entry fee of $450,000 to the WAC. The entry fee is usually paid in three installments over a three year period.

WAC needs bodies, so they probably "waive" it in the form of NCAA payout withholdings. WAC is in no position to let a piddly thing like conference entry/exit fees stand in their way of staying afloat.

If they can pay the $1.7 million NCAA fee, coming up with $150,000 fee for the next three years is nothing. If that is too much, they should stay at the D2 level. Is there an exit fee for the RMAC? Really?
12-18-2018 11:40 PM
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Every conference has an exit fee
12-19-2018 01:11 AM
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(12-19-2018 01:11 AM)KingSean Wrote:  Every conference has an exit fee

The WAC does not have an exit fee.
12-19-2018 01:15 AM
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Now that's actually shocking
12-19-2018 05:07 PM
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(12-18-2018 09:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(12-18-2018 08:59 PM)KingSean Wrote:  Will the WAC pay the exit fees for all the schools like they will for Dixie State?

No for any school and that includes Dixie State.

Page 17 from the feasibility study: https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/d...y_10_1.pdf

Collegiate Consulting reviewed the current budget and projected both revenues and expenses based on the contemplated change to NCAA Division I and WAC membership. The following assumptions were made in these projections:
1. Entrance into the WAC would come with the WAC waiving conference initiation fees and paying the exit fees from the RMAC for Dixie State.
2. Dixie State wants to be competitive within the WAC.
12-19-2018 07:41 PM
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I thought that's what I read
12-19-2018 08:53 PM
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Once again I've had to split off posts that have nothing to do with this thread. Please keep the discussions to new schools only.

As it states in the pinned thread about WAC Expansion, this thread will be heavily moderated.
12-20-2018 12:51 PM
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(12-19-2018 07:41 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  
(12-18-2018 09:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(12-18-2018 08:59 PM)KingSean Wrote:  Will the WAC pay the exit fees for all the schools like they will for Dixie State?

No for any school and that includes Dixie State.

Page 17 from the feasibility study: https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/d...y_10_1.pdf

Collegiate Consulting reviewed the current budget and projected both revenues and expenses based on the contemplated change to NCAA Division I and WAC membership. The following assumptions were made in these projections:
1. Entrance into the WAC would come with the WAC waiving conference initiation fees and paying the exit fees from the RMAC for Dixie State.
2. Dixie State wants to be competitive within the WAC.

Dixie State, according to the data from the Equity In Athletics Disclosure Act, had a $6.7 million athletic budget in 2016-2017. That includes football. Their athletic budget will need to increase to at least $10 million to accommodate D1 athletics. Once they receive the formal invite from the WAC, they will need to pay a $1.7 million application fee and submit an application with a copy of the feasibility study and Division I strategic plan.

So at a minimum, they are looking at an expenditure of at least $5 million to move up. An assumption of exit and entrance fees being waived is I guess something they could negotiate with the WAC, but again, if they are concerned about that, then they need to question if D1 is for them. Their annual membership dues in the RMAC are $16,200. How much can an exit fee be from the RMAC? $50,000? $100,000?

In the past schools have paid a $450,000 entry fee to the WAC. The only school to get their exit fees paid and a waiver on their entry fees waived has been UMKC. The WAC paid the $250,000 exit fee and waived the entry fee of $450,000 for UMKC. A different time, when the WAC actually still had some revenue and were able to steal a D1 team from a D1 conference.

The amount of money assumed by Collegiate Consulting that would be waived or paid is not significant. For UMKC, the WAC offered "a free get out of the Summit card" with an increase in travel expenses. Dixie State has to spend millions to make the move with or without waivers. The WAC can't help with that.
12-21-2018 06:55 PM
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Has there been any updates on Tarleton States interest in still moving up after their feasibility study was published?
12-22-2018 06:37 PM
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(12-22-2018 06:37 PM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  Has there been any updates on Tarleton States interest in still moving up after their feasibility study was published?

Could you cite any times when a feasibility study is kept private and a move occurs? I certainly didn't keep tabs on stuff like this. But it seems the act of keeping it under wraps is a signal to a needy conference like the WAC, and not a positive one.

Of course, I've concluded that the WAC probably reached out to every D-2 school in the Lone Star, RMAC... and even the GNAC. So the one question in my mind living out here is whether Western Oregon AD officials laughed or cried when they sent their "thanks but no thanks" letter.
12-27-2018 02:00 PM
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