(10-24-2018 10:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 09:02 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 07:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm gonna step way out on a limb on this, but I'm never scared to make a bold prediction. ECU will be better than 273rd in the country.

We get picked last every year yet I think not even Lebo ever finished last.

Well to be fair Lebo quitting before the end of the last 2 seasons is probably the reason he never accomplished that. If he'd have coached out the entirety of the last 2 years I bet he'd have pulled it off!!!

This was a 275 RPI team last year that also lost our best player in Barkley and seniors Tyson, Craig, Jackson and Hurana. The coaching may have been bad but those players on paper for sure have to be more win right value than the 5 freshman we added even if the coaching is miles better.

Hopefully CBS ends up being wrong but you can't really argue with CBS's process in giving us that rank given what we lost, what we return, and the marginally recruited guys we added, and the poor depth of only 11 players. That's the same conclusion most objective people should have IMO. I can't really argue with it.

(10-25-2018 01:48 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 10:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 09:02 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 07:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm gonna step way out on a limb on this, but I'm never scared to make a bold prediction. ECU will be better than 273rd in the country.

We get picked last every year yet I think not even Lebo ever finished last.

Well to be fair Lebo quitting before the end of the last 2 seasons is probably the reason he never accomplished that. If he'd have coached out the entirety of the last 2 years I bet he'd have pulled it off!!!

This was a 275 RPI team last year that also lost our best player in Barkley and seniors Tyson, Craig, Jackson and Hurana. The coaching may have been bad but those players on paper for sure have to be more win right value than the 5 freshman we added even if the coaching is miles better.

Hopefully CBS ends up being wrong but you can't really argue with CBS's process in giving us that rank given what we lost, what we return, and the marginally recruited guys we added, and the poor depth of only 11 players. That's the same conclusion most objective people should have IMO. I can't really argue with it.

Barkley didn’t play nearly half the season, and played very selfishly most of the times he did play. Addition by subtraction with Craig, Jackson and Haruna. Tyson will obviously hurt, but neither Fleming and Williams will be much of any drop off from his production.

(10-25-2018 06:51 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 01:48 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 10:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 09:02 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 07:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm gonna step way out on a limb on this, but I'm never scared to make a bold prediction. ECU will be better than 273rd in the country.

We get picked last every year yet I think not even Lebo ever finished last.

Well to be fair Lebo quitting before the end of the last 2 seasons is probably the reason he never accomplished that. If he'd have coached out the entirety of the last 2 years I bet he'd have pulled it off!!!

This was a 275 RPI team last year that also lost our best player in Barkley and seniors Tyson, Craig, Jackson and Hurana. The coaching may have been bad but those players on paper for sure have to be more win right value than the 5 freshman we added even if the coaching is miles better.

Hopefully CBS ends up being wrong but you can't really argue with CBS's process in giving us that rank given what we lost, what we return, and the marginally recruited guys we added, and the poor depth of only 11 players. That's the same conclusion most objective people should have IMO. I can't really argue with it.

Barkley didn’t play nearly half the season, and played very selfishly most of the times he did play. Addition by subtraction with Craig, Jackson and Haruna. Tyson will obviously hurt, but neither Fleming and Williams will be much of any drop off from his production.

Barkley only missed 7 games, and you aren't replacing the majority of Tyson minutes with Flemings or Williams when they had their own large roles last year. This team has 11 players and none of the rest you named were as bad depth wise as Whatley for sure and he easily could be forced to play this year. Hell Craig was just drafted in the 1st round of the Gleague over Rob Gray and guys that have actually played in the NBA like Dejuan Blair.

Ken Pomeroy has us #279 preseason and his ratings are used as a tool by the selection committee. We have a team with 2 upperclassmen, what do you honestly expect.

I won't believe that WSU is down until I see it. Memphis will probably be better than predicted too, might be a slower start as the team gels/Penny gets his feet wet but that's not a team you're going to want to see in the second half of the year.

I'm really excited for UCF this year obviously. If we can stay healthy (a huge problem the last few years) I think we can get our first ever NCAA tournament win.

(10-26-2018 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 06:51 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 01:48 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 10:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 09:02 PM)Chappy Wrote:  We get picked last every year yet I think not even Lebo ever finished last.

Well to be fair Lebo quitting before the end of the last 2 seasons is probably the reason he never accomplished that. If he'd have coached out the entirety of the last 2 years I bet he'd have pulled it off!!!

This was a 275 RPI team last year that also lost our best player in Barkley and seniors Tyson, Craig, Jackson and Hurana. The coaching may have been bad but those players on paper for sure have to be more win right value than the 5 freshman we added even if the coaching is miles better.

Hopefully CBS ends up being wrong but you can't really argue with CBS's process in giving us that rank given what we lost, what we return, and the marginally recruited guys we added, and the poor depth of only 11 players. That's the same conclusion most objective people should have IMO. I can't really argue with it.

Barkley didn’t play nearly half the season, and played very selfishly most of the times he did play. Addition by subtraction with Craig, Jackson and Haruna. Tyson will obviously hurt, but neither Fleming and Williams will be much of any drop off from his production.

Barkley only missed 7 games, and you aren't replacing the majority of Tyson minutes with Flemings or Williams when they had their own large roles last year. This team has 11 players and none of the rest you named were as bad depth wise as Whatley for sure and he easily could be forced to play this year. Hell Craig was just drafted in the 1st round of the Gleague over Rob Gray and guys that have actually played in the NBA like Dejuan Blair.

Ken Pomeroy has us #279 preseason and his ratings are used as a tool by the selection committee. We have a team with 2 upperclassmen, what do you honestly expect.

I expect we'll be considerably better than that, and when we are I expect you'll complain that we weren't enough better than that.

(10-26-2018 09:31 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 06:51 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 01:48 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 10:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well to be fair Lebo quitting before the end of the last 2 seasons is probably the reason he never accomplished that. If he'd have coached out the entirety of the last 2 years I bet he'd have pulled it off!!!

This was a 275 RPI team last year that also lost our best player in Barkley and seniors Tyson, Craig, Jackson and Hurana. The coaching may have been bad but those players on paper for sure have to be more win right value than the 5 freshman we added even if the coaching is miles better.

Hopefully CBS ends up being wrong but you can't really argue with CBS's process in giving us that rank given what we lost, what we return, and the marginally recruited guys we added, and the poor depth of only 11 players. That's the same conclusion most objective people should have IMO. I can't really argue with it.

Barkley didn’t play nearly half the season, and played very selfishly most of the times he did play. Addition by subtraction with Craig, Jackson and Haruna. Tyson will obviously hurt, but neither Fleming and Williams will be much of any drop off from his production.

Barkley only missed 7 games, and you aren't replacing the majority of Tyson minutes with Flemings or Williams when they had their own large roles last year. This team has 11 players and none of the rest you named were as bad depth wise as Whatley for sure and he easily could be forced to play this year. Hell Craig was just drafted in the 1st round of the Gleague over Rob Gray and guys that have actually played in the NBA like Dejuan Blair.

Ken Pomeroy has us #279 preseason and his ratings are used as a tool by the selection committee. We have a team with 2 upperclassmen, what do you honestly expect.

I expect we'll be considerably better than that, and when we are I expect you'll complain that we weren't enough better than that.

When you have 2 scholarships collecting dust it would be a valid complaint IMO. Are you saying a JUCO or grad transfer probably wouldn't have helped. I think that's a certain possibility.

Just in your hypothetical scenario lets say we have the greatest improvement in the country and go from 275 RPI team to 100th this year. While you can be happy and positive about the improvement their is a valid complaint that what if you had a good JUCO or Grad transfer in those two extra bullets that might have pushed you over the top. That what if is always there when you sit on scholarships. Maybe it's the difference in an NIT and sitting home in that scenario.

Jabari Craig was always hurt and was not good. Aaron Jackson was the worst D1 player I’ve ever seen. Haruna never played.

(10-26-2018 10:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:31 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 06:51 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 01:48 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  This was a 275 RPI team last year that also lost our best player in Barkley and seniors Tyson, Craig, Jackson and Hurana. The coaching may have been bad but those players on paper for sure have to be more win right value than the 5 freshman we added even if the coaching is miles better.

Hopefully CBS ends up being wrong but you can't really argue with CBS's process in giving us that rank given what we lost, what we return, and the marginally recruited guys we added, and the poor depth of only 11 players. That's the same conclusion most objective people should have IMO. I can't really argue with it.

Barkley didn’t play nearly half the season, and played very selfishly most of the times he did play. Addition by subtraction with Craig, Jackson and Haruna. Tyson will obviously hurt, but neither Fleming and Williams will be much of any drop off from his production.

Barkley only missed 7 games, and you aren't replacing the majority of Tyson minutes with Flemings or Williams when they had their own large roles last year. This team has 11 players and none of the rest you named were as bad depth wise as Whatley for sure and he easily could be forced to play this year. Hell Craig was just drafted in the 1st round of the Gleague over Rob Gray and guys that have actually played in the NBA like Dejuan Blair.

Ken Pomeroy has us #279 preseason and his ratings are used as a tool by the selection committee. We have a team with 2 upperclassmen, what do you honestly expect.

I expect we'll be considerably better than that, and when we are I expect you'll complain that we weren't enough better than that.

When you have 2 scholarships collecting dust it would be a valid complaint IMO. Are you saying a JUCO or grad transfer probably wouldn't have helped. I think that's a certain possibility.

Just in your hypothetical scenario lets say we have the greatest improvement in the country and go from 275 RPI team to 100th this year. While you can be happy and positive about the improvement their is a valid complaint that what if you had a good JUCO or Grad transfer in those two extra bullets that might have pushed you over the top. That what if is always there when you sit on scholarships. Maybe it's the difference in an NIT and sitting home in that scenario.

Yes I absolutely think a JUCO, Grad Transfer, or both would have been a great help. Not to get into the whole APR discussion on HTC premium, but there are clearly issues there that I think are far worse than he realized when he took the job, and he decided for better or worse that putting 2 scholarships on 2 walk on seniors to prevent APR penalties in the future is a better use than 2 grad transfers on a team that realistically probably isn't actually going anywhere anyway.

(10-26-2018 01:57 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:31 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 06:51 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  Barkley didn’t play nearly half the season, and played very selfishly most of the times he did play. Addition by subtraction with Craig, Jackson and Haruna. Tyson will obviously hurt, but neither Fleming and Williams will be much of any drop off from his production.

Barkley only missed 7 games, and you aren't replacing the majority of Tyson minutes with Flemings or Williams when they had their own large roles last year. This team has 11 players and none of the rest you named were as bad depth wise as Whatley for sure and he easily could be forced to play this year. Hell Craig was just drafted in the 1st round of the Gleague over Rob Gray and guys that have actually played in the NBA like Dejuan Blair.

Ken Pomeroy has us #279 preseason and his ratings are used as a tool by the selection committee. We have a team with 2 upperclassmen, what do you honestly expect.

I expect we'll be considerably better than that, and when we are I expect you'll complain that we weren't enough better than that.

When you have 2 scholarships collecting dust it would be a valid complaint IMO. Are you saying a JUCO or grad transfer probably wouldn't have helped. I think that's a certain possibility.

Just in your hypothetical scenario lets say we have the greatest improvement in the country and go from 275 RPI team to 100th this year. While you can be happy and positive about the improvement their is a valid complaint that what if you had a good JUCO or Grad transfer in those two extra bullets that might have pushed you over the top. That what if is always there when you sit on scholarships. Maybe it's the difference in an NIT and sitting home in that scenario.

Yes I absolutely think a JUCO, Grad Transfer, or both would have been a great help. Not to get into the whole APR discussion on HTC premium, but there are clearly issues there that I think are far worse than he realized when he took the job, and he decided for better or worse that putting 2 scholarships on 2 walk on seniors to prevent APR penalties in the future is a better use than 2 grad transfers on a team that realistically probably isn't actually going anywhere anyway.

After they signed Stakic a risk who didn't even get in. I'm not fully buying that story and like I said even if we may have got a scholarship taken a couple years what's the difference really if you are self imposing the them getting taken now.

No assurances that we still don't get popped later and the scholarships would have had greater value on this team. In the future presumably you will know your team and needs much better and have defined roles and returners. We needed all the bullets we had for this team with so much unknown and undefined roles a couple more bites at the apple had more value IMO. JUCO's. We just signed 2 this fall, why not last spring is all I'm saying. What's the difference except they actually would have made more sense last spring with our crappy class balance.

(10-26-2018 01:57 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:31 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 06:51 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  Barkley didn’t play nearly half the season, and played very selfishly most of the times he did play. Addition by subtraction with Craig, Jackson and Haruna. Tyson will obviously hurt, but neither Fleming and Williams will be much of any drop off from his production.

Barkley only missed 7 games, and you aren't replacing the majority of Tyson minutes with Flemings or Williams when they had their own large roles last year. This team has 11 players and none of the rest you named were as bad depth wise as Whatley for sure and he easily could be forced to play this year. Hell Craig was just drafted in the 1st round of the Gleague over Rob Gray and guys that have actually played in the NBA like Dejuan Blair.

Ken Pomeroy has us #279 preseason and his ratings are used as a tool by the selection committee. We have a team with 2 upperclassmen, what do you honestly expect.

I expect we'll be considerably better than that, and when we are I expect you'll complain that we weren't enough better than that.

When you have 2 scholarships collecting dust it would be a valid complaint IMO. Are you saying a JUCO or grad transfer probably wouldn't have helped. I think that's a certain possibility.

Just in your hypothetical scenario lets say we have the greatest improvement in the country and go from 275 RPI team to 100th this year. While you can be happy and positive about the improvement their is a valid complaint that what if you had a good JUCO or Grad transfer in those two extra bullets that might have pushed you over the top. That what if is always there when you sit on scholarships. Maybe it's the difference in an NIT and sitting home in that scenario.

Yes I absolutely think a JUCO, Grad Transfer, or both would have been a great help. Not to get into the whole APR discussion on HTC premium, but there are clearly issues there that I think are far worse than he realized when he took the job, and he decided for better or worse that putting 2 scholarships on 2 walk on seniors to prevent APR penalties in the future is a better use than 2 grad transfers on a team that realistically probably isn't actually going anywhere anyway.

lol....ecu fans in deep discussions about basketball is so cute

(10-26-2018 12:05 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  Jabari Craig was always hurt and was not good. Aaron Jackson was the worst D1 player I’ve ever seen. Haruna never played.

What is the comparison to though? These guys all had more proven pedigree's and better offers and were experienced than the freshman we brought in and that's not even including Barkley and Tyson multi year starters we have to replace.

Take a guy like Jackson, you say he's terrible but he was in the rotation, hell started 15 games on teams that finished with a #34 RPI and #58 RPI and went to the NCAA and NIT. It's not like he had never done anything in his career and had a .590 true shooting one of those year. He wasn't the worst D1 player ever that's for sure not by a long shot even if he looked bad on our team.

(10-26-2018 02:10 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 01:57 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:31 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:02 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Barkley only missed 7 games, and you aren't replacing the majority of Tyson minutes with Flemings or Williams when they had their own large roles last year. This team has 11 players and none of the rest you named were as bad depth wise as Whatley for sure and he easily could be forced to play this year. Hell Craig was just drafted in the 1st round of the Gleague over Rob Gray and guys that have actually played in the NBA like Dejuan Blair.

Ken Pomeroy has us #279 preseason and his ratings are used as a tool by the selection committee. We have a team with 2 upperclassmen, what do you honestly expect.

I expect we'll be considerably better than that, and when we are I expect you'll complain that we weren't enough better than that.

When you have 2 scholarships collecting dust it would be a valid complaint IMO. Are you saying a JUCO or grad transfer probably wouldn't have helped. I think that's a certain possibility.

Just in your hypothetical scenario lets say we have the greatest improvement in the country and go from 275 RPI team to 100th this year. While you can be happy and positive about the improvement their is a valid complaint that what if you had a good JUCO or Grad transfer in those two extra bullets that might have pushed you over the top. That what if is always there when you sit on scholarships. Maybe it's the difference in an NIT and sitting home in that scenario.

Yes I absolutely think a JUCO, Grad Transfer, or both would have been a great help. Not to get into the whole APR discussion on HTC premium, but there are clearly issues there that I think are far worse than he realized when he took the job, and he decided for better or worse that putting 2 scholarships on 2 walk on seniors to prevent APR penalties in the future is a better use than 2 grad transfers on a team that realistically probably isn't actually going anywhere anyway.

lol....ecu fans in deep discussions about basketball is so cute

Keep clicking on this thread hoping for some good s***. Disappointed every time.

(10-24-2018 07:30 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I see the AAC looking like this:

UC: NCAA
UH: NCAA
UCF: NCAA
UCONN: NCAA
SMU: NIT
Wichita State: NIT
Memphis: NIT
_________________________

Temple -CBI
Tulsa - CIT
Tulane -sucking less, but train wreck
ECU -close to 20 losses, train wreck
USF -probably 20 losses, train wreck

You clearly haven't looked at our schedule...



USFFan

(10-26-2018 02:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 07:30 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I see the AAC looking like this:

UC: NCAA
UH: NCAA
UCF: NCAA
UCONN: NCAA
SMU: NIT
Wichita State: NIT
Memphis: NIT
_________________________

Temple -CBI
Tulsa - CIT
Tulane -sucking less, but train wreck
ECU -close to 20 losses, train wreck
USF -probably 20 losses, train wreck

You clearly haven't looked at our schedule...



USFFan

But he did. Sadly, USF Basketball is the equivalent of UCONN Football.

(10-26-2018 02:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:10 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 01:57 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:50 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:31 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I expect we'll be considerably better than that, and when we are I expect you'll complain that we weren't enough better than that.

When you have 2 scholarships collecting dust it would be a valid complaint IMO. Are you saying a JUCO or grad transfer probably wouldn't have helped. I think that's a certain possibility.

Just in your hypothetical scenario lets say we have the greatest improvement in the country and go from 275 RPI team to 100th this year. While you can be happy and positive about the improvement their is a valid complaint that what if you had a good JUCO or Grad transfer in those two extra bullets that might have pushed you over the top. That what if is always there when you sit on scholarships. Maybe it's the difference in an NIT and sitting home in that scenario.

Yes I absolutely think a JUCO, Grad Transfer, or both would have been a great help. Not to get into the whole APR discussion on HTC premium, but there are clearly issues there that I think are far worse than he realized when he took the job, and he decided for better or worse that putting 2 scholarships on 2 walk on seniors to prevent APR penalties in the future is a better use than 2 grad transfers on a team that realistically probably isn't actually going anywhere anyway.

lol....ecu fans in deep discussions about basketball is so cute

Keep clicking on this thread hoping for some good s***. Disappointed every time.

Umm, ECU fans are talking basketball. . It's not all lebo memes. The program is coming back from the dead. Give them a little while to zombie around.

Of our three anchors I think they have the biggest upside. It's a basketball crazed area. Tulane is clearly improving if slowly pretty steadily. USF seems to be getting it together.

This is about to be a really tough basketball conference.

(10-26-2018 02:58 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 07:30 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I see the AAC looking like this:

UC: NCAA
UH: NCAA
UCF: NCAA
UCONN: NCAA
SMU: NIT
Wichita State: NIT
Memphis: NIT
_________________________

Temple -CBI
Tulsa - CIT
Tulane -sucking less, but train wreck
ECU -close to 20 losses, train wreck
USF -probably 20 losses, train wreck

You clearly haven't looked at our schedule...



USFFan

But he did. Sadly, USF Basketball is the equivalent of UCONN Football.

Can't argue much, but turning around from a disaster hire (Diaco/Antigua) can be accomplished a lot faster in basketball. With that schedule, USF is at least 3 games better than last year, which avoids us hanging a 20-burger. I won't be shocked if we're .500 overall this season.

USFFan

(10-26-2018 02:17 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:05 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  Jabari Craig was always hurt and was not good. Aaron Jackson was the worst D1 player I’ve ever seen. Haruna never played.

What is the comparison to though? These guys all had more proven pedigree's and better offers and were experienced than the freshman we brought in and that's not even including Barkley and Tyson multi year starters we have to replace.

Take a guy like Jackson, you say he's terrible but he was in the rotation, hell started 15 games on teams that finished with a #34 RPI and #58 RPI and went to the NCAA and NIT. It's not like he had never done anything in his career and had a .590 true shooting one of those year. He wasn't the worst D1 player ever that's for sure not by a long shot even if he looked bad on our team.

Dude Jackson was TERRIBLE for ECU. There’s no way you can spin that. We’re talking about replacing production not pedigree. ECU could be losing the first 5 NBA draft picks, but if they didn’t play any there’s nothing actually being lost.

(10-26-2018 11:21 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 02:17 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:05 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  Jabari Craig was always hurt and was not good. Aaron Jackson was the worst D1 player I’ve ever seen. Haruna never played.

What is the comparison to though? These guys all had more proven pedigree's and better offers and were experienced than the freshman we brought in and that's not even including Barkley and Tyson multi year starters we have to replace.

Take a guy like Jackson, you say he's terrible but he was in the rotation, hell started 15 games on teams that finished with a #34 RPI and #58 RPI and went to the NCAA and NIT. It's not like he had never done anything in his career and had a .590 true shooting one of those year. He wasn't the worst D1 player ever that's for sure not by a long shot even if he looked bad on our team.

Dude Jackson was TERRIBLE for ECU. There’s no way you can spin that. We’re talking about replacing production not pedigree. ECU could be losing the first 5 NBA draft picks, but if they didn’t play any there’s nothing actually being lost.

These guys did play a lot in Tyson, Barkley and Craig, even Jackson and Hurana were in the rotation, you just go to the last two. Point is I'd rather have either of them back (or someone of similar pedigree to what Jackson brought since he graduated) given options like Whatley or the 2 empty chairs we have. We can't even run a decent practice.

Hurana is an athletic 7 footer who was graduating anyway and was no cost and he averaged a double double in JUCO's two years in like low minutes. That was at least worth a flyier IMO over a guy like Whatley. Clearly Perry's got nothing out of Jackson who was a quality player on starting games on a top 35 team prior to ECU, maybe the problem was Perry and Hurana was the redeemable. Hell he transfered to a team projected 116 spots better than us in that poll and will have that chance.

We lost players other D1 teams, Gleague, etc clearly though had talent. Maybe the coaching makes it all up but you can't say on paper we have more win now talent/experience I don't think and there is a gap that has to be made up in big part by the coaching/chemistry etc IMO just to be as good and there is a ceiling on how far that can take you with freshman, no depth etc.

Jackson and Whatley had nearly identical stats. One was a fifth year senior, one was a true freshman.

You have no consistency and your points have no value. You talk about players you’ve never seen play and judge them based completely on stats with no context, and act as if external factors have no bearing on performance.. But when the stats don’t back you up you move the goal posts and blame the difference on external factors like coaching.

(10-27-2018 01:23 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  Jackson and Whatley had nearly identical stats. One was a fifth year senior, one was a true freshman.

You have no consistency and your points have no value. You talk about players you’ve never seen play and judge them based completely on stats with no context, and act as if external factors have no bearing on performance.. But when the stats don’t back you up you move the goal posts and blame the difference on external factors like coaching.

Dude again you are stuck on the 4th or 5th banana of the point completely ignoring the loss of multi year starters who were the best players I mentioned first. I've seen years of Barkley , Tyson and Craig, I know what we lost from a talent perspective, and you haven't seen these new players anymore than I have to say they are going to be so great.

On paper it's not hard to look at their offer sheets, stats, or the fact they are freshman to make some pretty strong conclusions as CBS, Pomroy, league coaches, etc etc have. This team has 2 upperclassmen that's pretty much all that need to be said if you are projecting a teams rank. The coaching can be amazing but if you are depending on freshman you beat out a lot of schools like Radford and Alabama A&M for it's probably not going to matter a lot. Step out the ECU bubble man, who else in the entire world thinks we will be significantly better? All I said was it's a reasonable perspective.