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I love the way it just abruptly ends.


The C-USA tournament returns to Frisco for the second year March 13-16 at the Dallas Cowboys' training facility at the Ford Center at The Star. Once again two courts will be set up side by side with two games going on at the same time.

MacLeod said the rare setting had a real championship feel.


"It didn't look like you walked into an AAU tournament gym, which some people were saying," she said.

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It is hard to believe we continue to stick with this commissioner. She is more interested in non revenue volleyball and girls softball that the revenue producing sports.
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She's an incompetent fool! Plain and simple
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Well since I was probably one of the very few on this board that was there for that championship game and I also went to the previous 3 CUSA Tourneys I think my opinion has a little more value than some people who probably never went to a CUSA Basketball tourney...in the last 4 years.

I enjoyed it a lot more than B'ham and the sound of a basketball echoing through the arena as the players dribbled up the court. It was a helluva lot more fan friendly on cost, seating and getting a up close feel and view of the game.

Now I cant say how some of you that watched it on TV would know anything about it...other than the game shown. I do know this, if more fans would get their asses to the tourney (no matter where its located) instead of sitting at home and complaining...it would be more exciting
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Really enjoyed the tournament. No, not just because Marshall won this one. I thought the new venue was first class and cool. I wish they would ditch the 2 courts and games at same time. While it wasn’t all that noticeable there, it screams Mickey Mouse. Something this conference does not need. I think the schedule thing is a good effort but, I’m afraid nothing we could try will change the selection committee mindset. My prediction is the best teams will beat each other up a little and the committee will say, look the records aren’t that good to justify the 13th place team from the ACC making it instead.
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(10-24-2018 05:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Well since I was probably one of the very few on this board that was there for that championship game and I also went to the previous 3 CUSA Tourneys I think my opinion has a little more value than some people who probably never went to a CUSA Basketball tourney...in the last 4 years.

I enjoyed it a lot more than B'ham and the sound of a basketball echoing through the arena as the players dribbled up the court. It was a helluva lot more fan friendly on cost, seating and getting a up close feel and view of the game.

Now I cant say how some of you that watched it on TV would know anything about it...other than the game shown. I do know this, if more fans would get their asses to the tourney (no matter where its located) instead of sitting at home and complaining...it would be more exciting

Great post! The C-USA tournament was very well run, easy to get in and out, parking was fine. Most of the people still complaining didn't even attend.
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(10-24-2018 05:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Well since I was probably one of the very few on this board that was there for that championship game and I also went to the previous 3 CUSA Tourneys I think my opinion has a little more value than some people who probably never went to a CUSA Basketball tourney...in the last 4 years.

I enjoyed it a lot more than B'ham and the sound of a basketball echoing through the arena as the players dribbled up the court. It was a helluva lot more fan friendly on cost, seating and getting a up close feel and view of the game.

Now I cant say how some of you that watched it on TV would know anything about it...other than the game shown. I do know this, if more fans would get their asses to the tourney (no matter where its located) instead of sitting at home and complaining...it would be more exciting

The Tech fans that went felt the same much better and more fan friendly than B’ham.
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I just have an issue with the conference being so Texas-centric, especially when most of the best basketball, and best crowds, are not coming from Texas.
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(10-24-2018 05:59 PM)Herd2believe Wrote:  Really enjoyed the tournament. No, not just because Marshall won this one. I thought the new venue was first class and cool. I wish they would ditch the 2 courts and games at same time. While it wasn’t all that noticeable there, it screams Mickey Mouse. Something this conference does not need. I think the schedule thing is a good effort but, I’m afraid nothing we could try will change the selection committee mindset. My prediction is the best teams will beat each other up a little and the committee will say, look the records aren’t that good to justify the 13th place team from the ACC making it instead.

It's actually a sort-of in-conference bracket-busters design, and I think it only helps all of your better teams to boost their SOS... and all the better, holds promise that, in those years when you really really do have an extra-special team worthy of higher seeding, they will run that table and end up with an appreciably stronger argument to the selection committee... and if they're not able to do that, then honestly and objectively, maybe they're not as good as everyone thought they were or wanted them to be.

Having said that, I'm one of those who doesn't think it goes far enough, and would like to see this as a bridge to something that offers even more promise--i.e., again, for those occasional truly-exceptional teams who under the normal system get under-exposed and under-challenged as a hazard of playing in a traditionally-one-bid conference.
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If we have a team who takes care of business OOC and during regular season this will be a big time help. If they can also take care of business during the end of season pod thing, then that team should have a much better chance for At Large bid even if they end up losing in conference tournament.

The top 5 in RPI last season were

#33 MTSU
#39 WKU
#78 ODU
#87 Marshall
#155 UAB



Bottom 5 were

#275 FAU
#293 UTEP
#295 FIU
#323 Charlotte
#328 Rice


Now if you are MTSU/WKU who have an RPI that deserves consideration for an at large bid, which would you rather have for your last 4 games?
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With this many schools and this large of a footprint, it's silly to conform to convention and have the conference tournament played in one spot.

It just is.

Approaching the situation objectively, this screams for tossing tradition in that respect aside, and hosting an East tourney and a West tourney, and then having a championship game at the home arena of the higher rated champion a few days following the the division tournaments. Assured opportunity for larger crowds from each school, and optimizes the chances for the team most deserving by granting a home court advantage. Downside is that you have two tournament venues running simultaneously.
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(10-27-2018 12:18 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  With this many schools and this large of a footprint, it's silly to conform to convention and have the conference tournament played in one spot.

It just is.

Approaching the situation objectively, this screams for tossing tradition in that respect aside, and hosting an East tourney and a West tourney, and then having a championship game at the home arena of the higher rated champion a few days following the the division tournaments. Assured opportunity for larger crowds from each school, and optimizes the chances for the team most deserving by granting a home court advantage. Downside is that you have two tournament venues running simultaneously.
Might as well play the first two rounds on campus sites rather that needing to have division brackets held at different sites. And that might be the best solution with only 12 teams qualifying. Seeds 5-8 host seeds 12-9 in the first round on Thursday, and then the four winners play quarterfinals at seeds 1-4 Sunday or Monday. The four semifinalists go to the predetermined site Friday-Saturday.

This schedule would eliminate the mess of having to play a late Thursday night quarterfinal and a Friday afternoon semifinal for TV under the current format.
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I appreciate that thought, but I do think there's something to be said for having what ends up being a "fan convention" built around a tournament every year. Many of us Herd fans recall well being in the Southern Conference, and every school's fans showing up sufficient to fill-up the Asheville NC Civic Center. Small venue, but loud and a lot of fun.

So that's the picture that I think is worth aspiring to.

I get it that they really like the idea of one venue for both mens and womens tourneys simultaneously, but to me, that can't be the priority.

If I were working it out, I'd have the West continue as-is in Dallas, but would work out something for the East in Atlanta.

Here's one thought... the Hawks are moving their G-League team to a new small arena (Gateway Center) being built about 2 mi from their arena, which could be used for the women's side, and as for the men's... though State Farm (formerly Philips) Arena is probably both too cavernous and probably preoccupied with their main tenant's dates, Georgia Tech's McCamish Pavilion is only 4 mi from Gateway Center. In fact, Atlanta's WNBA franchise plays their games there.

As for the calendar logistics, many NCAA teams have their tournament finals the weekend before ours, so it's seemingly not all that daunting to think we could compact the regular season schedule sufficiently to do the divisions' finals in ATL and DAL that previous weekend, allowing the champions of both most of that week to prepare and for the fans of the traveling school to do travel arrangements.
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(10-27-2018 03:33 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  I appreciate that thought, but I do think there's something to be said for having what ends up being a "fan convention" built around a tournament every year. Many of us Herd fans recall well being in the Southern Conference, and every school's fans showing up sufficient to fill-up the Asheville NC Civic Center. Small venue, but loud and a lot of fun.

The major major difference is that the SoCon was tightly grouped. Asheville was probably a short drive for 6 of the 8 teams in the conference.

Most people in the east would have to fly. It’s plain stupid, IMHO, to have this thing in Texas.
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Oh, I agree... it was tighter geographically, but assessing our current situation, practically anything is an improvement over what we have right now, no?

Atlanta is a pretty inexpensive flight if you have to fly, and a not-so-bad one day drive from practically anywhere in the East if prefer the road trip.
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I agree it’s not close t the basketball schools but I’m positive that every school has a direct flight to Dallas from the closest airport.
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(10-27-2018 05:53 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  Oh, I agree... it was tighter geographically, but assessing our current situation, practically anything is an improvement over what we have right now, no?

Atlanta is a pretty inexpensive flight if you have to fly, and a not-so-bad one day drive from practically anywhere in the East if prefer the road trip.

Yeah, I’m agreeing with you then. I would like to see a location relatively central to the conference. Probably not practical, but a short list could be:

(In no particular order)

Memphis
St. Louis
Biloxi
Little Rock

I think you have to find an arena that really only seats about 5000 so it doesn’t look like an empty tomb on TV and in a city where outside interest might draw in extra fans. Of course a lot of this depends on how successful we are as a conference this year.
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If you stick with the conventional approach, yes.

I'm saying, why are we sticking with the conventional approach, though?

From earlier:

Quote:With this many schools and this large of a footprint, it's silly to conform to convention and have the conference tournament played in one spot.

It just is.

Approaching the situation objectively, this screams for tossing tradition in that respect aside, and hosting an East tourney and a West tourney, and then having a championship game at the home arena of the higher rated champion a few days following the the division tournaments. Assured opportunity for larger crowds from each school, and optimizes the chances for the team most deserving by granting a home court advantage. Downside is that you have two tournament venues running simultaneously.

As for the consideration of arena size...

Quote:Here's one thought... the Hawks are moving their G-League team to a new small arena (Gateway Center) being built about 2 mi from their arena, which could be used for the women's side, and as for the men's... though State Farm (formerly Philips) Arena is probably both too cavernous and probably preoccupied with their main tenant's dates, Georgia Tech's McCamish Pavilion is only 4 mi from Gateway Center. In fact, Atlanta's WNBA franchise plays their games there.

Ga Tech's McCamish seats 8500 if I read correctly. Gateway Center will seat 3500.
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