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I'm in wait and see mode. It has been the same story each year. The same folks declaring us at large worthy in October will be warning us of how "tough" Southern Miss, UTSA, and North Texas will be by January and February and how we can't expect to win those games. Hope the October predictions are right this time. All my college and pro teams have sucked lately and I'm due for a good season.

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Who is claiming us as an at-large team? The only way we make it to the NCAAT is winning our conference tournament. MTSU was a top 30 RPI team and didn't get in, that's all you need to know about how the selection committee views CUSA.
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(10-24-2018 05:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm in wait and see mode. It has been the same story each year. The same folks declaring us at large worthy in October will be warning us of how "tough" Southern Miss, UTSA, and North Texas will be by January and February and how we can't expect to win those games. Hope the October predictions are right this time. All my college and pro teams have sucked lately and I'm due for a good season.

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Very true - the reality is we are all in a wait and see more because we need to play the games before we determine the outcome - otherwise we could be lottery winners .. in talking with the players at the dinner last week you sense that Caver has become a leader. Xavier has gained much more confidence and every player mentioned how good Dickens is and that he will be an impact player .. Dickens himself compared his game to Hakiem Olajuwon (will certainly temper that for now ) but even the coaches mentioned his athletism on both offense and defense . As Mr Bigblue stated the potential is there and as fans it just makes for a better year when you go with high expectations with some reasoning behind it. Sure as a fan you can be let down - but most are used to that - who cares about your standing on a message board about being right .. that only applies to some that claim they are experts but are willing to be that guy because it’s easy to be a fan if indeed we play well and exceed expectations .. to them it’s more important to be a winner on a message board than it is to state you support your school ..
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Blown away that the NCAA granted him immediate eligibility. This doesn't push ODU to an NCAA team, but maybe we can at least get back to the NIT?
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(10-23-2018 10:51 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:54 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 06:17 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 03:24 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This takes us from a solid NIT team to a possible NCAA team especially with this group of starters. Again...if we can get a little consistency shooting from the outside we could be a dangerous team. This will also give us time to develop the younger bigs on the team.

How??

We weren’t an ncaa tourney team last year and neither transfer is anywhere near as good as stith or porter.

I know you guys love to “win the offseason”, but we still have some HUGE front court question marks. If either of these guys is a stiff we still have a huge hole to fill in the starting lineup.

Glad he got the waiver, now let’s see what he and the other 7 footer can do before we make any grand proclamations.

Dajour is an inside threat and he is every bit as good offensively as Trey. Dajour can get stronger. Plus with Kithcart and a few others we can be a very dangerous team. Like I said if all goes well this season I can see us being in a good position to be a NCAA team this year. I always look at things realistically and this team has the potential on paper. With a little consistency from the outside shooting the ball and some defensive toughness from Dajour we have the pieces in place.

First of all you have no way of knowing that whatsoever. He’s playing against no one in practice so even if you’ve seen those, it’s meaningless.

Secondly, with our very mediocre schedule yet again this year, it once again means we will most likely need to win CUSA to get in, something we’ve never once done. I’m sure someone will convince me it’s great but it looks very similar to last year’s schedule and I just don’t see the high end signs yet wins anywhere to be found.

We might have a couple of chances but I highly doubt we win those games with such a brand new mix of players early.

Finally, I’m glad dickens is eligible and I’m glad we will at least have a chance this year, but anyone who sees this team as an at large right now with the weak schedule and the massive question marks in the front court is absolutely kidding themselves, just like you were last year.

I’ve been right every single season about jones teams not being NCAA tourney teams and I have little to no doubt about this team again this year for a variety of factors.

We won 25 games last year and didn’t sniff the NCAA tourney. This year’s team is NOT better than last year’s and only the most irrational, least knowledgable fans would argue against that at THIS exact point in time.

But please, tell me why I’m wrong so I can laugh at you all for the sixth season in a row lol.

You have definitely been right more times than not, but the bolded statement is wrong. This year's team is better than what we had last year.

This year, we have two ACC transfers in the starting lineup.

We have the best true point guard in the conference.

We have a Big East transfer and a SEC transfer in our front court.

A legit shooter off the bench.

The best freshman class ODU has ever had.

I guess we will find out what we are very shortly.
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I wouldn't go as far as thinking we are an at large team, but I think we have a chance to be better than last year.

Losses- Haynes, Stith, Porter
Gains- Reece, Ekizkpe, Wade, Robinson, Dickens, Kithcart

Those 3 will be tough to replace but guys like Green, Godwin, Caver, etc. should also improve on last year.

We need Robinson to give us with Stith did; good defense and rebounding. My concern with him is defending the pick and roll and if he has any type of offensive game. Until I see otherwise, Im assuming he's just another body to play down low.

Dickens is an explosive athlete. I can't remember us having anyone close to his size that has his athletic ability/jumping ability. He should be a terror on defense and a threat in transition. We didn't have a really good back to the basket game last year with Porter or Stith and I don't expect if from Dickens either. Robinson might be able to post up down low against smaller guys if they don't abuse him on the other end.

Wade/Godwin/Green should easily replace what Haynes brought. Probably not quite the level of on the ball defense, but they could each be better offensive threats.

The good thing about this team is they have a ton of roster flexibility. Go small, go big, have shooters on the court, etc. Im really interested in seeing them run with Caver, Kithcart, Green, Dickens on the court at the same time. The unknown is the impact the freshman will make, but they are the most heralded coming in.

We should be a contender for the conference title. What that means for postseason will need to be worked out.
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(10-24-2018 08:24 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 10:51 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:54 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 06:17 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 03:24 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This takes us from a solid NIT team to a possible NCAA team especially with this group of starters. Again...if we can get a little consistency shooting from the outside we could be a dangerous team. This will also give us time to develop the younger bigs on the team.

How??

We weren’t an ncaa tourney team last year and neither transfer is anywhere near as good as stith or porter.

I know you guys love to “win the offseason”, but we still have some HUGE front court question marks. If either of these guys is a stiff we still have a huge hole to fill in the starting lineup.

Glad he got the waiver, now let’s see what he and the other 7 footer can do before we make any grand proclamations.

Dajour is an inside threat and he is every bit as good offensively as Trey. Dajour can get stronger. Plus with Kithcart and a few others we can be a very dangerous team. Like I said if all goes well this season I can see us being in a good position to be a NCAA team this year. I always look at things realistically and this team has the potential on paper. With a little consistency from the outside shooting the ball and some defensive toughness from Dajour we have the pieces in place.

First of all you have no way of knowing that whatsoever. He’s playing against no one in practice so even if you’ve seen those, it’s meaningless.

Secondly, with our very mediocre schedule yet again this year, it once again means we will most likely need to win CUSA to get in, something we’ve never once done. I’m sure someone will convince me it’s great but it looks very similar to last year’s schedule and I just don’t see the high end signs yet wins anywhere to be found.

We might have a couple of chances but I highly doubt we win those games with such a brand new mix of players early.

Finally, I’m glad dickens is eligible and I’m glad we will at least have a chance this year, but anyone who sees this team as an at large right now with the weak schedule and the massive question marks in the front court is absolutely kidding themselves, just like you were last year.

I’ve been right every single season about jones teams not being NCAA tourney teams and I have little to no doubt about this team again this year for a variety of factors.

We won 25 games last year and didn’t sniff the NCAA tourney. This year’s team is NOT better than last year’s and only the most irrational, least knowledgable fans would argue against that at THIS exact point in time.

But please, tell me why I’m wrong so I can laugh at you all for the sixth season in a row lol.

You have definitely been right more times than not, but the bolded statement is wrong. This year's team is better than what we had last year.

This year, we have two ACC transfers in the starting lineup.

We have the best true point guard in the conference.

We have a Big East transfer and a SEC transfer in our front court.

A legit shooter off the bench.

The best freshman class ODU has ever had.

I guess we will find out what we are very shortly.

I get Razors point. By capitalizing THIS he's saying the team is nothing more than potential and has not demonstrated it is better than last years.
For myself I've drunk the kool aid to many times to go overboard about undemonstrated potential. Plus there is the inevitable early season chemistry building that accounts for losses to higher profile teams.
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Year 15 that I can remember of ODU's basketball team being nothing more than potential.
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After watching this years team play there is little doubt we have a lot of talent. It is early but from what I have seen we are much better than last year. Before the addition of Dickens we were as good if not better...with him we are much better. It is not all about Dickens. Everybody has improved and we are much deeper than last year. We can shot better and we are much quicker. The freshmen are going to help. The biggest problem I see is what rotation we are going to have and how deep we are going to go.Right now I see a lot of guys that can figure in the rotation.. do we go 9 or 10 deep..that's a lot. Anyway it is all conjecture at this point.. but I do like what I see.
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Depth is pretty handy during tournament time. 9 deep? Wow
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(10-23-2018 08:54 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 06:17 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 03:24 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This takes us from a solid NIT team to a possible NCAA team especially with this group of starters. Again...if we can get a little consistency shooting from the outside we could be a dangerous team. This will also give us time to develop the younger bigs on the team.

How??

We weren’t an ncaa tourney team last year and neither transfer is anywhere near as good as stith or porter.

I know you guys love to “win the offseason”, but we still have some HUGE front court question marks. If either of these guys is a stiff we still have a huge hole to fill in the starting lineup.

Glad he got the waiver, now let’s see what he and the other 7 footer can do before we make any grand proclamations.

Dajour is an inside threat and he is every bit as good offensively as Trey. Dajour can get stronger. Plus with Kithcart and a few others we can be a very dangerous team. Like I said if all goes well this season I can see us being in a good position to be a NCAA team this year. I always look at things realistically and this team has the potential on paper. With a little consistency from the outside shooting the ball and some defensive toughness from Dajour we have the pieces in place.

I am still very concerned about shooting. If that concern is debunked, I will feel pretty good about this season.

To a lesser extent, I am also a little concerned about pace of play with 2 7 footers on the court, and the lane being clogged. My guess is it is unlikely that both play at the same time, and there is a pretty good chance that one doesn't see very much time at all. Frankly I am more excited about the freshman bigs than Robinson, but there is obviously a long way to go and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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(10-24-2018 09:23 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:54 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 06:17 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 03:24 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This takes us from a solid NIT team to a possible NCAA team especially with this group of starters. Again...if we can get a little consistency shooting from the outside we could be a dangerous team. This will also give us time to develop the younger bigs on the team.

How??

We weren’t an ncaa tourney team last year and neither transfer is anywhere near as good as stith or porter.

I know you guys love to “win the offseason”, but we still have some HUGE front court question marks. If either of these guys is a stiff we still have a huge hole to fill in the starting lineup.

Glad he got the waiver, now let’s see what he and the other 7 footer can do before we make any grand proclamations.

Dajour is an inside threat and he is every bit as good offensively as Trey. Dajour can get stronger. Plus with Kithcart and a few others we can be a very dangerous team. Like I said if all goes well this season I can see us being in a good position to be a NCAA team this year. I always look at things realistically and this team has the potential on paper. With a little consistency from the outside shooting the ball and some defensive toughness from Dajour we have the pieces in place.

I am still very concerned about shooting. If that concern is debunked, I will feel pretty good about this season.

To a lesser extent, I am also a little concerned about pace of play with 2 7 footers on the court, and the lane being clogged. My guess is it is unlikely that both play at the same time, and there is a pretty good chance that one doesn't see very much time at all. Frankly I am more excited about the freshman bigs than Robinson, but there is obviously a long way to go and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

I don't know how well Wade shoots, but Godwin, Caver, and Stith are good shooters. Green shot 33% from 3 as a freshman, which isn't bad, but he has more to clean up mechanically.

Dickens is not a lane clogger and will not slow down the pace. Similar to Porter, he runs the floor, but Dickens is much more athletic than Porter. He's also very mobile so he's going to be rolling on PRNs etc and receiving alley oops. He is not going to be a back to the basket post scorer. Defensively, he's going to be a terror to try and score against.
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(10-24-2018 09:29 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 09:23 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:54 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 06:17 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 03:24 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This takes us from a solid NIT team to a possible NCAA team especially with this group of starters. Again...if we can get a little consistency shooting from the outside we could be a dangerous team. This will also give us time to develop the younger bigs on the team.

How??

We weren’t an ncaa tourney team last year and neither transfer is anywhere near as good as stith or porter.

I know you guys love to “win the offseason”, but we still have some HUGE front court question marks. If either of these guys is a stiff we still have a huge hole to fill in the starting lineup.

Glad he got the waiver, now let’s see what he and the other 7 footer can do before we make any grand proclamations.

Dajour is an inside threat and he is every bit as good offensively as Trey. Dajour can get stronger. Plus with Kithcart and a few others we can be a very dangerous team. Like I said if all goes well this season I can see us being in a good position to be a NCAA team this year. I always look at things realistically and this team has the potential on paper. With a little consistency from the outside shooting the ball and some defensive toughness from Dajour we have the pieces in place.

I am still very concerned about shooting. If that concern is debunked, I will feel pretty good about this season.

To a lesser extent, I am also a little concerned about pace of play with 2 7 footers on the court, and the lane being clogged. My guess is it is unlikely that both play at the same time, and there is a pretty good chance that one doesn't see very much time at all. Frankly I am more excited about the freshman bigs than Robinson, but there is obviously a long way to go and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

I don't know how well Wade shoots, but Godwin, Caver, and Stith are good shooters. Green shot 33% from 3 as a freshman, which isn't bad, but he has more to clean up mechanically.

Dickens is not a lane clogger and will not slow down the pace. Similar to Porter, he runs the floor, but Dickens is much more athletic than Porter. He's also very mobile so he's going to be rolling on PRNs etc and receiving alley oops. He is not going to be a back to the basket post scorer. Defensively, he's going to be a terror to try and score against.

I agree with most of what you said. I think Caver is more of a spotty shooter than a good shooter, but he definitely isn't a bad shooter. My concern about shooting is more about what lineups actually play. If we are looking at Caver, Kithcart, BJ, and any two bigs, that is really 2 good shooters from your perspective, and 1.5 good shooters from my perspective, that are on the court for most of the game. I am not sure that is enough to be a really good team.
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(10-24-2018 05:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm in wait and see mode. It has been the same story each year. The same folks declaring us at large worthy in October will be warning us of how "tough" Southern Miss, UTSA, and North Texas will be by January and February and how we can't expect to win those games. Hope the October predictions are right this time. All my college and pro teams have sucked lately and I'm due for a good season.

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(10-24-2018 09:36 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 09:29 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 09:23 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:54 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 06:17 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  How??

We weren’t an ncaa tourney team last year and neither transfer is anywhere near as good as stith or porter.

I know you guys love to “win the offseason”, but we still have some HUGE front court question marks. If either of these guys is a stiff we still have a huge hole to fill in the starting lineup.

Glad he got the waiver, now let’s see what he and the other 7 footer can do before we make any grand proclamations.

Dajour is an inside threat and he is every bit as good offensively as Trey. Dajour can get stronger. Plus with Kithcart and a few others we can be a very dangerous team. Like I said if all goes well this season I can see us being in a good position to be a NCAA team this year. I always look at things realistically and this team has the potential on paper. With a little consistency from the outside shooting the ball and some defensive toughness from Dajour we have the pieces in place.

I am still very concerned about shooting. If that concern is debunked, I will feel pretty good about this season.

To a lesser extent, I am also a little concerned about pace of play with 2 7 footers on the court, and the lane being clogged. My guess is it is unlikely that both play at the same time, and there is a pretty good chance that one doesn't see very much time at all. Frankly I am more excited about the freshman bigs than Robinson, but there is obviously a long way to go and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

I don't know how well Wade shoots, but Godwin, Caver, and Stith are good shooters. Green shot 33% from 3 as a freshman, which isn't bad, but he has more to clean up mechanically.

Dickens is not a lane clogger and will not slow down the pace. Similar to Porter, he runs the floor, but Dickens is much more athletic than Porter. He's also very mobile so he's going to be rolling on PRNs etc and receiving alley oops. He is not going to be a back to the basket post scorer. Defensively, he's going to be a terror to try and score against.

I agree with most of what you said. I think Caver is more of a spotty shooter than a good shooter, but he definitely isn't a bad shooter. My concern about shooting is more about what lineups actually play. If we are looking at Caver, Kithcart, BJ, and any two bigs, that is really 2 good shooters from your perspective, and 1.5 good shooters from my perspective, that are on the court for most of the game. I am not sure that is enough to be a really good team.

It depends. If they put BJ at the 4, then Green/Godwin are in and good shooters. Reece is reportedly a good shooter if he's the big. I don't know how EZ has developed, he worked hard on his outside game his senior year to become more of a modern 4.

And FWIW, I can't see how the shooting is worse than last year.
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BJ at the 4 definitely fixes the problem if JJ is willing to go that route. I would not count on much outside shooting from the bigs even if they are good shooter. We have never seen JJ really allow much perimeter shooting from a big. I just don't think it is in his DNA.
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(10-24-2018 06:39 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Who is claiming us as an at-large team? The only way we make it to the NCAAT is winning our conference tournament. MTSU was a top 30 RPI team and didn't get in, that's all you need to know about how the selection committee views CUSA.
MTSU last year was 0-for against tournament teams plus the bad losses. They didn't get shafted because of their conference, their resume was weak. If we beat Syracuse or win the Paradise Jam and have a similar record, we will get a bid. Those are the types of things we did OOC in Blaine's heyday that gave us at large resumes.

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I can't remember a big that ODU had that could shoot besides Kah and Arledge. Arledge took a lot of outside shots. Biberaj took a decent amount. But Jones has repeatedly talking about trying to find bigs that can open up the lane.
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(10-24-2018 08:29 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We didn't have a really good back to the basket game last year with Porter or Stith and I don't expect if from Dickens either.

Porter gave us a good back to the basket game last season. As for Dickens being able to help in providing that this season, I'll defer to coach Jones ..... "Paired with Elbert, the combination of those two can give us the low-post scoring threat that we’d like to have."
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(10-24-2018 09:43 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 09:36 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 09:29 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 09:23 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:54 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Dajour is an inside threat and he is every bit as good offensively as Trey. Dajour can get stronger. Plus with Kithcart and a few others we can be a very dangerous team. Like I said if all goes well this season I can see us being in a good position to be a NCAA team this year. I always look at things realistically and this team has the potential on paper. With a little consistency from the outside shooting the ball and some defensive toughness from Dajour we have the pieces in place.

I am still very concerned about shooting. If that concern is debunked, I will feel pretty good about this season.

To a lesser extent, I am also a little concerned about pace of play with 2 7 footers on the court, and the lane being clogged. My guess is it is unlikely that both play at the same time, and there is a pretty good chance that one doesn't see very much time at all. Frankly I am more excited about the freshman bigs than Robinson, but there is obviously a long way to go and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

I don't know how well Wade shoots, but Godwin, Caver, and Stith are good shooters. Green shot 33% from 3 as a freshman, which isn't bad, but he has more to clean up mechanically.

Dickens is not a lane clogger and will not slow down the pace. Similar to Porter, he runs the floor, but Dickens is much more athletic than Porter. He's also very mobile so he's going to be rolling on PRNs etc and receiving alley oops. He is not going to be a back to the basket post scorer. Defensively, he's going to be a terror to try and score against.

I agree with most of what you said. I think Caver is more of a spotty shooter than a good shooter, but he definitely isn't a bad shooter. My concern about shooting is more about what lineups actually play. If we are looking at Caver, Kithcart, BJ, and any two bigs, that is really 2 good shooters from your perspective, and 1.5 good shooters from my perspective, that are on the court for most of the game. I am not sure that is enough to be a really good team.

It depends. If they put BJ at the 4, then Green/Godwin are in and good shooters. Reece is reportedly a good shooter if he's the big. I don't know how EZ has developed, he worked hard on his outside game his senior year to become more of a modern 4.

And FWIW, I can't see how the shooting is worse than last year.

I hope BJ doesn't end up playing the 4 for anything more than under unusual circumstances, otherwise it would be taking minutes away from players that were actually recruited to play the position, and ODU has several promising ones.
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