(10-23-2018 09:16 AM)49ShadesOfGreen Wrote:  I'm kinda jealous of ya'll here. It's been a painful couple of years to be a Charlotte fan and its probably not going to improve this year.. I could be wrong though. Good defense in this league could be a game changer!

I agree it will be a tough year on the court but we do have a new coach and new AD so we are a couple major steps ahead of last year.

(10-22-2018 10:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  It can be done if built right. The one thing you have to hope you avoid is a coach that took the job just looking to take the next job. That means your roster will be built like a house of cards and fall as soon as that coach is gone.

Exactly right.

(10-23-2018 08:37 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yes basketball does not take 3 years to see results...WKU last season had 1 returning player and we finished 32nd in RPI....

In most cases if you want a house of cards built then no it doesn't. If you want a program built then yes it does. As a Marshall fan Ive seen it happen at least twice in Huntington since 1995.

As much as I liked Billy Donovan the roster he built was not sustainable and it fell almost the day he left to take the Florida job. In 2007 when Donnie Jones took over he brought in some talented recruits but the truth is I don't know if anyone in Huntington knows just how talented or underwhelming they may have been. In 3 years in Huntington Jones won 55 games. But only 41 of those were against DI schools. Yes he played 14 games against DII or NAIA in 3 years.

I would love to know where the Marshall program would be right now had we hired Mike in 1996 when Greg White was hired (Mike had already retied from playing and was coaching in Italy) or if Dan would have been hired in 2004 (Ron Jirsa) or 2007 (Donnie Jones).

(10-23-2018 08:34 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-22-2018 01:50 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I think we can eventually become a legit basketball conference that regularly gets 2-3 bids.

We have been saying this since 2014, we are going to have to start winning some non conference games and they bottom 5 cannot be below 300 in RPI....

I think this is the year we win some OOC games as a conference. It's obvious our conference rolled the dice and went after basketball schools over football schools. I'm fine with that, but its not worth it unless we are regularly getting 2 teams in the dance and sometimes 3 teams in.

(10-23-2018 10:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I think this is the year we win some OOC games as a conference. It's obvious our conference rolled the dice and went after basketball schools over football schools. I'm fine with that, but its not worth it unless we are regularly getting 2 teams in the dance and sometimes 3 teams in.

Im glad the conference went after schools that had other sports besides just football at the forefront.

Appy State and GA Southern would have been great had football been the only thing you care about. In basketball Appy is horrible, they have made the NCAAs twice in 1999-00 and 1978-79. Georgia Southern is almost a carbon copy of Appy. They are usually low to middle of the pack team with a 20 win season ever so often. They have also made the NCAAs 3 times. The last time before they even joined the SoCon 1991-92 (Trans America, now the ASUN), 1986-87, 1981-82. The same could also be said about Troy and Arkansas State. The only school with potential in basketball and football in the Sun Belt is ULL.

And before we get Appy trolls over here claiming they have won multiple conference cups. That's because you have like 4 even sometimes 5 sports other schools don't have, so well you get more points that way.

(10-23-2018 08:37 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 07:47 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-22-2018 10:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-22-2018 03:43 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  were only gonna be worse this year. I trust sanchez long term, but we just kicked two of our 3 big men off the team. We were thin there to start with.

Dan only won 11 games his 1st year. He was handed a roster with 2 legit DI Players in Ryan Taylor and Cheika Sane, 1 very demished DI player in Justin Edmonds and 1 potential DI player Austin Loop who had played 41 mins the previous year.

Im not counting Kareem Canty in that because he had already damaged his spot at ever staying in Huntington before Dan was ever hired.

Dan is the only coach to improve every year his 1st 4 years as HC. From:
11 wins
17 wins
20 wins (CUSA Title Game)
25 wins (CUSA Title, NCAA Win)

It can be done if built right. The one thing you have to hope you avoid is a coach that took the job just looking to take the next job. That means your roster will be built like a house of cards and fall as soon as that coach is gone.

Also being good and even contending will take a min of 3 years.

A team and good coach in basketball, can be good and contend faster than 3 years. We got lucky with Dan. Not many schools have a man of his caliber and experience that loves a school so much that he will never leave for any amount of money.

Yes basketball does not take 3 years to see results...WKU last season had 1 returning player and we finished 32nd in RPI....

Not everyone can take 7+ transfers yearly.

(10-23-2018 10:04 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(10-22-2018 10:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  It can be done if built right. The one thing you have to hope you avoid is a coach that took the job just looking to take the next job. That means your roster will be built like a house of cards and fall as soon as that coach is gone.

Exactly right.

Mike Rhoades....

Feel pretty bad for the players that left on bad advice after his departure. Even Evans who would’ve dominated CUSA for 2 more years has torn his ACL twice after transferring to follow Rhoades.

(10-23-2018 12:23 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  Mike Rhoades....

Feel pretty bad for the players that left on bad advice after his departure. Even Evans who would’ve dominated CUSA for 2 more years has torn his ACL twice after transferring to follow Rhoades.

Prime example.

Also in 1996 when Billy Donovan took the Florida job Marshall had 6 transfer out or just leave basketball plus Jason Williams who followed Donovan to Florida.

(10-23-2018 12:20 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 08:37 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 07:47 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-22-2018 10:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(10-22-2018 03:43 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  were only gonna be worse this year. I trust sanchez long term, but we just kicked two of our 3 big men off the team. We were thin there to start with.

Dan only won 11 games his 1st year. He was handed a roster with 2 legit DI Players in Ryan Taylor and Cheika Sane, 1 very demished DI player in Justin Edmonds and 1 potential DI player Austin Loop who had played 41 mins the previous year.

Im not counting Kareem Canty in that because he had already damaged his spot at ever staying in Huntington before Dan was ever hired.

Dan is the only coach to improve every year his 1st 4 years as HC. From:
11 wins
17 wins
20 wins (CUSA Title Game)
25 wins (CUSA Title, NCAA Win)

It can be done if built right. The one thing you have to hope you avoid is a coach that took the job just looking to take the next job. That means your roster will be built like a house of cards and fall as soon as that coach is gone.

Also being good and even contending will take a min of 3 years.

A team and good coach in basketball, can be good and contend faster than 3 years. We got lucky with Dan. Not many schools have a man of his caliber and experience that loves a school so much that he will never leave for any amount of money.

Yes basketball does not take 3 years to see results...WKU last season had 1 returning player and we finished 32nd in RPI....

Not everyone can take 7+ transfers yearly.

Who takes 7+ transfers?

(10-23-2018 02:35 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 12:20 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 08:37 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 07:47 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-22-2018 10:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Dan only won 11 games his 1st year. He was handed a roster with 2 legit DI Players in Ryan Taylor and Cheika Sane, 1 very demished DI player in Justin Edmonds and 1 potential DI player Austin Loop who had played 41 mins the previous year.

Im not counting Kareem Canty in that because he had already damaged his spot at ever staying in Huntington before Dan was ever hired.

Dan is the only coach to improve every year his 1st 4 years as HC. From:
11 wins
17 wins
20 wins (CUSA Title Game)
25 wins (CUSA Title, NCAA Win)

It can be done if built right. The one thing you have to hope you avoid is a coach that took the job just looking to take the next job. That means your roster will be built like a house of cards and fall as soon as that coach is gone.

Also being good and even contending will take a min of 3 years.

A team and good coach in basketball, can be good and contend faster than 3 years. We got lucky with Dan. Not many schools have a man of his caliber and experience that loves a school so much that he will never leave for any amount of money.

Yes basketball does not take 3 years to see results...WKU last season had 1 returning player and we finished 32nd in RPI....

Not everyone can take 7+ transfers yearly.

Who takes 7+ transfers?

UTEP has 5 transfers sitting out this year plus 1 who was not cleared by the NCAA clearing house.

(10-23-2018 02:35 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 12:20 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 08:37 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 07:47 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-22-2018 10:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Dan only won 11 games his 1st year. He was handed a roster with 2 legit DI Players in Ryan Taylor and Cheika Sane, 1 very demished DI player in Justin Edmonds and 1 potential DI player Austin Loop who had played 41 mins the previous year.

Im not counting Kareem Canty in that because he had already damaged his spot at ever staying in Huntington before Dan was ever hired.

Dan is the only coach to improve every year his 1st 4 years as HC. From:
11 wins
17 wins
20 wins (CUSA Title Game)
25 wins (CUSA Title, NCAA Win)

It can be done if built right. The one thing you have to hope you avoid is a coach that took the job just looking to take the next job. That means your roster will be built like a house of cards and fall as soon as that coach is gone.

Also being good and even contending will take a min of 3 years.

A team and good coach in basketball, can be good and contend faster than 3 years. We got lucky with Dan. Not many schools have a man of his caliber and experience that loves a school so much that he will never leave for any amount of money.

Yes basketball does not take 3 years to see results...WKU last season had 1 returning player and we finished 32nd in RPI....

Not everyone can take 7+ transfers yearly.

Who takes 7+ transfers?

Oops 6. Just remembered it was a ton of new guys.

Bearden - Buffalo
Savage - Austin Peay
Baker - Simmons college
Diagne - Northwest Florida state college
Thompson - Virginia
Coleby - Kansas

And 4 freshmen.

(10-24-2018 10:41 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 02:35 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 12:20 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 08:37 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 07:47 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  A team and good coach in basketball, can be good and contend faster than 3 years. We got lucky with Dan. Not many schools have a man of his caliber and experience that loves a school so much that he will never leave for any amount of money.

Yes basketball does not take 3 years to see results...WKU last season had 1 returning player and we finished 32nd in RPI....

Not everyone can take 7+ transfers yearly.

Who takes 7+ transfers?

Oops 6. Just remembered it was a ton of new guys.

Bearden - Buffalo
Savage - Austin Peay
Baker - Simmons college
Diagne - Northwest Florida state college
Thompson - Virginia
Coleby - Kansas

And 4 freshmen.

Who is Baker? What rules says you cannot take 2-4 grad transfers or regular transfers every season? Forgot exact stat, but something crazy like over 600 players transferred this past season.... Everyone is taking transfers these days...Not sure your point? This season we have 3 freshmen and 4 sophomores, so not all transfers...

I don't care how other teams in our conference does it. A rising tide lifts all boats. MTSU definitely laid the foundation, WKU is definitely raising the level of play in this entire conference imo.

We also have pretty good attendance for basketball in this conference. I remember seeing multiple WKU games where the place was rockin. If it wasn't sold out it was very close to it.

Well WKU has less than 100 season tickets remaining for the season. So Diddle should be rocking again all season this year instead of just the 2nd half of the season.

(10-24-2018 02:37 PM)Rojogrande Wrote:  Well WKU has less than 100 season tickets remaining for the season. So Diddle should be rocking again all season this year instead of just the 2nd half of the season.

Impressive. How many season tickets have you all sold?

(10-24-2018 12:25 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I don't care how other teams in our conference does it. A rising tide lifts all boats. MTSU definitely laid the foundation, WKU is definitely raising the level of play in this entire conference imo.

We also have pretty good attendance for basketball in this conference. I remember seeing multiple WKU games where the place was rockin. If it wasn't sold out it was very close to it.

We had 3 official sell outs last season after Jan....Non conf. home schedule much better this year with St Mary's and Wisconsin...This season every game should be close to sell outs even when school is out...We are only 100 season tickets left from doors being locked....

Oh wow. You are 100 tickets away from being full capacity with season tickets? You averaged less than 4,000 last season? Would be incredible if you have sold over 7k season tickets.

By the end of the year we were almost selling out most of the games.

And I think they save 1000 tickets for students.

(10-24-2018 12:03 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 10:41 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 02:35 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 12:20 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 08:37 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yes basketball does not take 3 years to see results...WKU last season had 1 returning player and we finished 32nd in RPI....

Not everyone can take 7+ transfers yearly.

Who takes 7+ transfers?

Oops 6. Just remembered it was a ton of new guys.

Bearden - Buffalo
Savage - Austin Peay
Baker - Simmons college
Diagne - Northwest Florida state college
Thompson - Virginia
Coleby - Kansas

And 4 freshmen.

Who is Baker? What rules says you cannot take 2-4 grad transfers or regular transfers every season? Forgot exact stat, but something crazy like over 600 players transferred this past season.... Everyone is taking transfers these days...Not sure your point? This season we have 3 freshmen and 4 sophomores, so not all transfers...

No rule against it. I’m just saying that’s how you got a quick turnaround. I don’t think we could find 6 transfers that would contribute.