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Typical negative, condescending BS from the miserables. I didn’t say we were top 25 as some of you posted-thought we would get a few votes. Most of you missed your predictions on football so bad, you don’t want to say anything positive about this team preseason. I listed some primary reasons I think this team would be good. Having a true PG alone is probably worth a 4 game swing.

I went on record with a positive prediction but being positive right now doesn’t seem to be the what you guys want to hear. Penny is positive and I’m with him, this staff and this team.
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(10-22-2018 09:14 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  People talking about top 25 votes are getting way out over their skis. We’re 107 preseason in Kenpom (we finished 160 plus last year). And while there are plenty of good reasons to think we might outperform that, it’s not very likely that we’re going to outperform that by 82 places. Top 50ish season, 3rd or 4th in the AAC, maybe the NIT is going to be a good finish for these guys.

There are 53 teams listed in top 25 and receiving votes. Does that float your boat?
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There are at least 4 recruits in our freshman class that, if Tubby had gotten just ONE, may have saved his job, and at the least wouldve received all sorts of positive press for being his highest rated recruit in 1O years. So we add an entire string of players higher than anything him and his staff could dream of to a team that won 2O games, and dont get enough votes to be at least 53rd? Absurd
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(10-22-2018 09:31 PM)Shooters Wrote:  Typical negative, condescending BS from the miserables. I didn’t say we were top 25 as some of you posted-thought we would get a few votes. Most of you missed your predictions on football so bad, you don’t want to say anything positive about this team preseason. I listed some primary reasons I think this team would be good. Having a true PG alone is probably worth a 4 game swing.

I went on record with a positive prediction but being positive right now doesn’t seem to be the what you guys want to hear. Penny is positive and I’m with him, this staff and this team.

To get a vote someone has to vote you in the top 25.

Because we don't think we are a top 25 team doesn't make anyone a miserable.
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Will Wade brought in the #3 Recruiting Class in the country. They're Preseason #23. Are we better on paper than LSU? I say we're not close to better than them on paper. And most believe they are over ranked to start the season.


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Umm.. we weren't an NCAA team last year which means we werent top-50. We lost a few rotation players and added the #30ish recruiting class plus a new coaching staff. No surprise we aren't pre-season top 53 it would be insane if we were.
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It's an aggregate. It just means we aren't on anyone's top 25. For all we know, those media people might think we are top 40. That would not show up in this.
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(10-23-2018 08:47 AM)fsquid Wrote:  It's an aggregate. It just means we aren't on anyone's top 25. For all we know, those media people might think we are top 40. That would not show up in this.

makes sense
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(10-23-2018 09:01 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:47 AM)fsquid Wrote:  It's an aggregate. It just means we aren't on anyone's top 25. For all we know, those media people might think we are top 40. That would not show up in this.

makes sense

That is what people sometimes don't understand. If someone votes you 25th you get one point. If they vote you 1st you get 25.
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(10-23-2018 08:26 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Umm.. we weren't an NCAA team last year which means we werent top-50. We lost a few rotation players and added the #30ish recruiting class plus a new coaching staff. No surprise we aren't pre-season top 53 it would be insane if we were.

Try top 40 with the small conference bids and the upsets thatallow a conference tournament champion in who wouldn’t get in otherwise.
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You folks are obsessing about a beauty contest. Fortunately in basketball everything is decided on the court during regular season play, conference tournaments, and the national championship tournament. The only sport where the beauty contest determines a champion is football. A 24 team tournament would solve that problem. (the first time one of the bottom 8 seeded teams wins a game puts a lie to the spurious argument that held the basketball tournament to 16 teams for so long, and now holds football to a postseason four team exhibition tournament.) Every team that suits up and steps onto the field deserves a shot at the national title, the only sport that doesn't adhere to that philosophy is college football.
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(10-22-2018 09:34 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 09:14 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  People talking about top 25 votes are getting way out over their skis. We’re 107 preseason in Kenpom (we finished 160 plus last year). And while there are plenty of good reasons to think we might outperform that, it’s not very likely that we’re going to outperform that by 82 places. Top 50ish season, 3rd or 4th in the AAC, maybe the NIT is going to be a good finish for these guys.

There are 53 teams listed in top 25 and receiving votes. Does that float your boat?

Quote:non se·qui·tur
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a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

I said a top 50ish season would be a good finish. And I meant it. That would be a really good outcome considering what we have. Our median outcome is probably not that good. 4th or 5th in the AAC and outside of the post season is probably a reasonable median expectation

But to begin the season. we're outside the top 100 in Kenpom. Why should anyone think we somehow deserve top 25 votes when our last two seasons we finished 161, and 101 in Kenpom, and that 101 finish was with a guy who's considered a top 5 player in the country and is a pre-season first team all-American and what we're adding is a top 30ish recruiting class with like one top 100 player to what was probably the worst team we've had since Tic Price.

"We're not getting top 25 votes" is way out in front of what is likely to happen this season. On paper this just isn't an NCAA team. On paper this isn't really a team that should make the NIT. Doing that will probably require one if not two of the new guys to way outperform what you would expect from borderline top 100 guys. That would be a pretty good accomplishment for a first year head coach with a limited roster.

I won't say the NCAA is impossible since the AAC should be pretty wide open, but we're going to have to way outperform reasonable expectations to really even be on the bubble come February and March.
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(10-23-2018 12:48 AM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  There are at least 4 recruits in our freshman class that, if Tubby had gotten just ONE, may have saved his job, and at the least wouldve received all sorts of positive press for being his highest rated recruit in 1O years. So we add an entire string of players higher than anything him and his staff could dream of to a team that won 2O games, and dont get enough votes to be at least 53rd? Absurd

1. We won 20 games, but that team was probably worse than the one we had the year before. We finsihed 161 in Kenpom. It was probably the worst team since Tic Price and maybe going back further than that. Not one of the recruits we're bringing in are the type you expect to have a major impact right off the bat

2. If true (and I'm not sure it was), that one borderline top 100 guy would have saved Smith's job only goes to show how far the program had fallen under the last 2 years of Pastner and 2 years of Smith.
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(10-23-2018 11:38 AM)Keeper Wrote:  You folks are obsessing about a beauty contest. Fortunately in basketball everything is decided on the court during regular season play, conference tournaments, and the national championship tournament. The only sport where the beauty contest determines a champion is football. A 24 team tournament would solve that problem. (the first time one of the bottom 8 seeded teams wins a game puts a lie to the spurious argument that held the basketball tournament to 16 teams for so long, and now holds football to a postseason four team exhibition tournament.) Every team that suits up and steps onto the field deserves a shot at the national title, the only sport that doesn't adhere to that philosophy is college football.

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(10-23-2018 11:44 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 09:34 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 09:14 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  People talking about top 25 votes are getting way out over their skis. We’re 107 preseason in Kenpom (we finished 160 plus last year). And while there are plenty of good reasons to think we might outperform that, it’s not very likely that we’re going to outperform that by 82 places. Top 50ish season, 3rd or 4th in the AAC, maybe the NIT is going to be a good finish for these guys.

There are 53 teams listed in top 25 and receiving votes. Does that float your boat?

Quote:non se·qui·tur
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noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs

a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

I said a top 50ish season would be a good finish. And I meant it. That would be a really good outcome considering what we have. Our median outcome is probably not that good. 4th or 5th in the AAC and outside of the post season is probably a reasonable median expectation

But to begin the season. we're outside the top 100 in Kenpom. Why should anyone think we somehow deserve top 25 votes when our last two seasons we finished 161, and 101 in Kenpom, and that 101 finish was with a guy who's considered a top 5 player in the country and is a pre-season first team all-American and what we're adding is a top 30ish recruiting class with like one top 100 player to what was probably the worst team we've had since Tic Price.

"We're not getting top 25 votes" is way out in front of what is likely to happen this season. On paper this just isn't an NCAA team. On paper this isn't really a team that should make the NIT. Doing that will probably require one if not two of the new guys to way outperform what you would expect from borderline top 100 guys. That would be a pretty good accomplishment for a first year head coach with a limited roster.

I won't say the NCAA is impossible since the AAC should be pretty wide open, but we're going to have to way outperform reasonable expectations to really even be on the bubble come February and March.

I can tell you guys for a fact the coaches and players EXPECT to be in NCAA tournament. I do to. And in my 30 plus years or guessing I haven’t been wrong much. In fact, I haven’t been wrong about whether they made it since the DWash missed FT year.

You guys are still reeling from over blown football expectations.
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(10-23-2018 01:47 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:44 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 09:34 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 09:14 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  People talking about top 25 votes are getting way out over their skis. We’re 107 preseason in Kenpom (we finished 160 plus last year). And while there are plenty of good reasons to think we might outperform that, it’s not very likely that we’re going to outperform that by 82 places. Top 50ish season, 3rd or 4th in the AAC, maybe the NIT is going to be a good finish for these guys.

There are 53 teams listed in top 25 and receiving votes. Does that float your boat?

Quote:non se·qui·tur
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noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs

a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

I said a top 50ish season would be a good finish. And I meant it. That would be a really good outcome considering what we have. Our median outcome is probably not that good. 4th or 5th in the AAC and outside of the post season is probably a reasonable median expectation

But to begin the season. we're outside the top 100 in Kenpom. Why should anyone think we somehow deserve top 25 votes when our last two seasons we finished 161, and 101 in Kenpom, and that 101 finish was with a guy who's considered a top 5 player in the country and is a pre-season first team all-American and what we're adding is a top 30ish recruiting class with like one top 100 player to what was probably the worst team we've had since Tic Price.

"We're not getting top 25 votes" is way out in front of what is likely to happen this season. On paper this just isn't an NCAA team. On paper this isn't really a team that should make the NIT. Doing that will probably require one if not two of the new guys to way outperform what you would expect from borderline top 100 guys. That would be a pretty good accomplishment for a first year head coach with a limited roster.

I won't say the NCAA is impossible since the AAC should be pretty wide open, but we're going to have to way outperform reasonable expectations to really even be on the bubble come February and March.

I can tell you guys for a fact the coaches and players EXPECT to be in NCAA tournament. I do to. And in my 30 plus years or guessing I haven’t been wrong much. In fact, I haven’t been wrong about whether they made it since the DWash missed FT year.

You guys are still reeling from over blown football expectations.

well then, we might as well close up the thread.
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(10-23-2018 01:47 PM)Shooters Wrote:  ...
I can tell you guys for a fact the coaches and players EXPECT to be in NCAA tournament. I do to.

...

You guys are still reeling from over blown football expectations.

1. I thought 8 wins was a reasonable outcome football-wise. I'm only really surprised by the Tulane loss. And if we finish with only 7 wins or god forbid worse, I think the fanbase has every reason to be dissapointed in that outcome and don't think that those sorts of expectations are overblown at all.

2. Well if the coaches and players capital letters EXPECT it... (Of course they're saying that... They EXPECT to win every game and give 110 PERCENT! Because that's what coaches and players do to motivate themselves.)

Quote:And in my 30 plus years or guessing I haven’t been wrong much. In fact, I haven’t been wrong about whether they made it since the DWash missed FT year.

Bully for you. Hope you're right. The NIT is still going to be a pretty good outcome for this season.
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(10-23-2018 01:47 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:44 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 09:34 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 09:14 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  People talking about top 25 votes are getting way out over their skis. We’re 107 preseason in Kenpom (we finished 160 plus last year). And while there are plenty of good reasons to think we might outperform that, it’s not very likely that we’re going to outperform that by 82 places. Top 50ish season, 3rd or 4th in the AAC, maybe the NIT is going to be a good finish for these guys.

There are 53 teams listed in top 25 and receiving votes. Does that float your boat?

Quote:non se·qui·tur
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a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

I said a top 50ish season would be a good finish. And I meant it. That would be a really good outcome considering what we have. Our median outcome is probably not that good. 4th or 5th in the AAC and outside of the post season is probably a reasonable median expectation

But to begin the season. we're outside the top 100 in Kenpom. Why should anyone think we somehow deserve top 25 votes when our last two seasons we finished 161, and 101 in Kenpom, and that 101 finish was with a guy who's considered a top 5 player in the country and is a pre-season first team all-American and what we're adding is a top 30ish recruiting class with like one top 100 player to what was probably the worst team we've had since Tic Price.

"We're not getting top 25 votes" is way out in front of what is likely to happen this season. On paper this just isn't an NCAA team. On paper this isn't really a team that should make the NIT. Doing that will probably require one if not two of the new guys to way outperform what you would expect from borderline top 100 guys. That would be a pretty good accomplishment for a first year head coach with a limited roster.

I won't say the NCAA is impossible since the AAC should be pretty wide open, but we're going to have to way outperform reasonable expectations to really even be on the bubble come February and March.

I can tell you guys for a fact the coaches and players EXPECT to be in NCAA tournament. I do to. And in my 30 plus years or guessing I haven’t been wrong much. In fact, I haven’t been wrong about whether they made it since the DWash missed FT year.

You guys are still reeling from over blown football expectations.
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(10-23-2018 03:27 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 01:47 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:44 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 09:34 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 09:14 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  People talking about top 25 votes are getting way out over their skis. We’re 107 preseason in Kenpom (we finished 160 plus last year). And while there are plenty of good reasons to think we might outperform that, it’s not very likely that we’re going to outperform that by 82 places. Top 50ish season, 3rd or 4th in the AAC, maybe the NIT is going to be a good finish for these guys.

There are 53 teams listed in top 25 and receiving votes. Does that float your boat?

Quote:non se·qui·tur
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noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs

a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.

I said a top 50ish season would be a good finish. And I meant it. That would be a really good outcome considering what we have. Our median outcome is probably not that good. 4th or 5th in the AAC and outside of the post season is probably a reasonable median expectation

But to begin the season. we're outside the top 100 in Kenpom. Why should anyone think we somehow deserve top 25 votes when our last two seasons we finished 161, and 101 in Kenpom, and that 101 finish was with a guy who's considered a top 5 player in the country and is a pre-season first team all-American and what we're adding is a top 30ish recruiting class with like one top 100 player to what was probably the worst team we've had since Tic Price.

"We're not getting top 25 votes" is way out in front of what is likely to happen this season. On paper this just isn't an NCAA team. On paper this isn't really a team that should make the NIT. Doing that will probably require one if not two of the new guys to way outperform what you would expect from borderline top 100 guys. That would be a pretty good accomplishment for a first year head coach with a limited roster.

I won't say the NCAA is impossible since the AAC should be pretty wide open, but we're going to have to way outperform reasonable expectations to really even be on the bubble come February and March.

I can tell you guys for a fact the coaches and players EXPECT to be in NCAA tournament. I do to. And in my 30 plus years or guessing I haven’t been wrong much. In fact, I haven’t been wrong about whether they made it since the DWash missed FT year.

You guys are still reeling from over blown football expectations.
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I can tell you guys for a fact the coaches and players EXPECT to be in NCAA tournament.
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(10-23-2018 04:01 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 03:27 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 01:47 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:44 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 09:34 PM)Shooters Wrote:  There are 53 teams listed in top 25 and receiving votes. Does that float your boat?

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I said a top 50ish season would be a good finish. And I meant it. That would be a really good outcome considering what we have. Our median outcome is probably not that good. 4th or 5th in the AAC and outside of the post season is probably a reasonable median expectation

But to begin the season. we're outside the top 100 in Kenpom. Why should anyone think we somehow deserve top 25 votes when our last two seasons we finished 161, and 101 in Kenpom, and that 101 finish was with a guy who's considered a top 5 player in the country and is a pre-season first team all-American and what we're adding is a top 30ish recruiting class with like one top 100 player to what was probably the worst team we've had since Tic Price.

"We're not getting top 25 votes" is way out in front of what is likely to happen this season. On paper this just isn't an NCAA team. On paper this isn't really a team that should make the NIT. Doing that will probably require one if not two of the new guys to way outperform what you would expect from borderline top 100 guys. That would be a pretty good accomplishment for a first year head coach with a limited roster.

I won't say the NCAA is impossible since the AAC should be pretty wide open, but we're going to have to way outperform reasonable expectations to really even be on the bubble come February and March.

I can tell you guys for a fact the coaches and players EXPECT to be in NCAA tournament. I do to. And in my 30 plus years or guessing I haven’t been wrong much. In fact, I haven’t been wrong about whether they made it since the DWash missed FT year.

You guys are still reeling from over blown football expectations.
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I can tell you guys for a fact the coaches and players EXPECT to be in NCAA tournament.

Coaches and players should expect an NCAA tournament.
Coaches and players should not expect a pre-season top 25 ranking.
It's not hard for most people to understand.
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