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(10-23-2018 11:53 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  frankly if i was in Vegas or we would grow up here and legalize sports betting, UNT+28 just seems like a slam dunk win.

Too late - it's up to UNT -30 now.
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(10-23-2018 11:24 AM)Rice FB Fan Wrote:  I am utterly bewildered by what our QB plan is for the rest of the season. I have been in Bloom's corner on most things to this point, and in favor of developing young guys once we aren't competitive in a game or have decided this season is lost. So, it seems to me Bloom can either play to win now at the QB position by putting our best option at the position, or he can play for the future and develop by playing young guys to see what we have. I have no idea what philosophy Bloom thinks he is implementing with this move. But I highly doubt this works out well over the last five games.

Bloom is going to play Green to start, who certainly looked his namesake last week against a lesser defense than what we play this week, and then two non-QBs? I support the move with Green, as it fits the development philosophy, but after that are we trying to develop non-QBs into QBs? They cannot possibly know the playbook from the QB perspective, which we are told is incredibly complex under Bloom's system. So that likely means wildcat. What if Green gets hurt on the first drive or throws another 2-1 interception to completion ratio for a few series? The remainder of the game in Wildcat? Green is the lowest ranked QB on our roster as a QB recruit that is healthy. Glaesman is the highest and Towns is second. Tyner has actually started games and at least has size and experience. Glaesman must be better than a RB and WR in at least understanding the offense. But we are going to play Green and two non-QBs? Does anyone understand what we are attempting to accomplish by this strategy?

This. Precisely.
I'll add that it will HURT, not help, Green's and Towns' development to throw them in unprepared against LSU.
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At this point, we can't go the entire season and not give Tyner a chance to at least take half of the snaps in a game. Unless he's being moved to another position. With 2 season ending injuries to QB's, Tyner must play. I'm expecting him to play and play a lot this week. I understand starting Green, who may have the most potential of all the QB's. I know he didn't look great vs FIU (and the decision to insert him in the game after Marshman got off to a great start was perplexing and possibly cost us the game), but Green did show awareness in the pocket, mobility, and a good arm, despite 2 bad decisions/int's. Worth trying to develop him, but in the meantime, Tyner should be given a shot with his experience and knowledge of the offense. The other QB's mentioned are Wildcat or emergency QB's. It's a Green/Tyner rotation for now, has to be.
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(10-23-2018 05:23 PM)Buho00 Wrote:  At this point, we can't go the entire season and not give Tyner a chance to at least take half of the snaps in a game. Unless he's being moved to another position. With 2 season ending injuries to QB's, Tyner must play. I'm expecting him to play and play a lot this week. I understand starting Green, who may have the most potential of all the QB's. I know he didn't look great vs FIU (and the decision to insert him in the game after Marshman got off to a great start was perplexing and possibly cost us the game), but Green did show awareness in the pocket, mobility, and a good arm, despite 2 bad decisions/int's. Worth trying to develop him, but in the meantime, Tyner should be given a shot with his experience and knowledge of the offense. The other QB's mentioned are Wildcat or emergency QB's. It's a Green/Tyner rotation for now, has to be.

Why? Why do we need to go all John Thomas Shepherd all over again?

Whether Rice wins 2 games, 1 game or 3 games -the season is a total failure. So throwing the future development in favor of playing someone with 1 year of eligibility more (at best) is crazy.

Bloom's biggest mistake was not benching Stankavage earlier and playing the RS freshman. Not the exact opposite by starting over in a lost season with a RS Junior.
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(10-23-2018 01:08 PM)Barney Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:24 AM)Rice FB Fan Wrote:  I am utterly bewildered by what our QB plan is for the rest of the season. I have been in Bloom's corner on most things to this point, and in favor of developing young guys once we aren't competitive in a game or have decided this season is lost. So, it seems to me Bloom can either play to win now at the QB position by putting our best option at the position, or he can play for the future and develop by playing young guys to see what we have. I have no idea what philosophy Bloom thinks he is implementing with this move. But I highly doubt this works out well over the last five games.

Bloom is going to play Green to start, who certainly looked his namesake last week against a lesser defense than what we play this week, and then two non-QBs? I support the move with Green, as it fits the development philosophy, but after that are we trying to develop non-QBs into QBs? They cannot possibly know the playbook from the QB perspective, which we are told is incredibly complex under Bloom's system. So that likely means wildcat. What if Green gets hurt on the first drive or throws another 2-1 interception to completion ratio for a few series? The remainder of the game in Wildcat? Green is the lowest ranked QB on our roster as a QB recruit that is healthy. Glaesman is the highest and Towns is second. Tyner has actually started games and at least has size and experience. Glaesman must be better than a RB and WR in at least understanding the offense. But we are going to play Green and two non-QBs? Does anyone understand what we are attempting to accomplish by this strategy?

This. Precisely.
I'll add that it will HURT, not help, Green's and Towns' development to throw them in unprepared against LSU.

This is why they play against UNT and UTEP. No one is saying play them against LSU only.

What happens if we play Tyner for UNT and UTEP and he gets hurt against LSU? Thats far worse than letting Green cut his teeth against CUSA.
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(10-23-2018 07:34 AM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 06:58 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(10-22-2018 10:26 PM)Barney Wrote:  I say this not to impugn JT -- just don't think his performance warrants this lack of a chance given.

1. His evaluation is probably being done in practice and you don’t really have any info on that (at least you haven’t claimed you do)

2. The last time he played in a game he threw and INT on his first pass and fumbled the snap on the next series and lost the ball. Can’t get much worse game film than that.

True the INT slipped out of his hand and that’s on Tyner. Can’t have that happen. The snap on the other hand sorry goes to the center. He had 2 snap infraction penalties that game and has had mutliole snaps on the ground. Also his shotgun snaps are not so great lately. But whatever....Regardless of what Bloom does I never thought the QB situation could be handled worse than what Lynch did. QB talent Tyner is the best we have granted in his limited play hasn’t shown it. Stank was not very good. Marshman is a hard worker but seriously I’ve seen JH QB’s do what he’s doing. Green is just young and not ready. Glaesman and Tyner were part of last years fiasco and were never going to be a part Blooms system. The fact we are considering putting running backs and receivers in at QB is embarrassing. Unfortunately these guys are making Rice football an absolute joke. It’s sad.

“Seriously” if a JH QB can do what Marshman is/was doing then why couldn’t Tyner the GOAT do it? In Marshman’s first start he scored 2 TDs or what TJ did ALL of last year before he got benched. You have some nerve!
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(10-23-2018 07:54 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 07:11 PM)ATXowl Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 07:34 AM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 06:58 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  [quote='Barney' pid='15600595' dateline='1540265174']
I say this not to impugn JT -- just don't think his performance warrants this lack of a chance given.

1. His evaluation is probably being done in practice and you don’t really have any info on that (at least you haven’t claimed you do)

2. The last time he played in a game he threw and INT on his first pass and fumbled the snap on the next series and lost the ball. Can’t get much worse game film than that.

True the INT slipped out of his hand and that’s on Tyner. Can’t have that happen. The snap on th
e other hand sorry goes to the center. He had 2 snap infraction penalties that game and has had mutliole snaps on the ground. Also his shotgun snaps are not so great lately. But whatever....Regardless of what Bloom does I never thought the QB situation could be handled worse than what Lynch did. QB talent Tyner is the best we have granted in his limited play hasn’t shown it. Stank was not very good. Marshman is a hard worker but seriously I’ve seen JH QB’s do what he’s doing. Green is just young and not ready. Glaesman and Tyner were part of last years fiasco and were never going to be a part Blooms system. The fact we are considering putting running backs and receivers in at QB is embarrassing. Unfortunately these guys are making Rice football an absolute joke. It’s sad.

“Seriously” if a JH QB can do what Marshman is/was doing then why couldn’t Tyner the GOAT do it? In Marshman’s first start he scored 2 TDs or what TJ did ALL of last year before he got benched. You have some nerve!
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What did Tyner do in his first significant playing time as a redshirt freshman like Marshman...oh that’s right he got the WIN. But seriously this program is a joke and NOT ALL of you guys here but many make rooting for Rice absolutely miserable. Just can’t stomach reading this crap anymore.

I don't disagree that the last regime totally screwed up the QB situation and competition. Lynch seemingly wouldn't know what to do with a playbook that had more than 3 plays in it. I was hoping we played guys sooner in a lost season a long time ago instead of other upperclassmen.

That said, at this point, the new coach has to build for the future. And a lot of that means playing guys who can improve over the year so that next year will be better. If the goal is truly top 25, then Rice needs to sacrifice short term gain for long term rebuilding.

The above also said, the department is a joke and the crony yahoos who have overseen the last decade of demise either can't tell or couldn't be bothered.
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(10-23-2018 08:07 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 07:54 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 07:11 PM)ATXowl Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 07:34 AM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 06:58 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  [quote='Barney' pid='15600595' dateline='1540265174']
I say this not to impugn JT -- just don't think his performance warrants this lack of a chance given.

1. His evaluation is probably being done in practice and you don’t really have any info on that (at least you haven’t claimed you do)

2. The last time he played in a game he threw and INT on his first pass and fumbled the snap on the next series and lost the ball. Can’t get much worse game film than that.

True the INT slipped out of his hand and that’s on Tyner. Can’t have that happen. The snap on th
e other hand sorry goes to the center. He had 2 snap infraction penalties that game and has had mutliole snaps on the ground. Also his shotgun snaps are not so great lately. But whatever....Regardless of what Bloom does I never thought the QB situation could be handled worse than what Lynch did. QB talent Tyner is the best we have granted in his limited play hasn’t shown it. Stank was not very good. Marshman is a hard worker but seriously I’ve seen JH QB’s do what he’s doing. Green is just young and not ready. Glaesman and Tyner were part of last years fiasco and were never going to be a part Blooms system. The fact we are considering putting running backs and receivers in at QB is embarrassing. Unfortunately these guys are making Rice football an absolute joke. It’s sad.

“Seriously” if a JH QB can do what Marshman is/was doing then why couldn’t Tyner the GOAT do it? In Marshman’s first start he scored 2 TDs or what TJ did ALL of last year before he got benched. You have some nerve!
[/

What did Tyner do in his first significant playing time as a redshirt freshman like Marshman...oh that’s right he got the WIN. But seriously this program is a joke and NOT ALL of you guys here but many make rooting for Rice absolutely miserable. Just can’t stomach reading this crap anymore.

I don't disagree that the last regime totally screwed up the QB situation and competition. Lynch seemingly wouldn't know what to do with a playbook that had more than 3 plays in it. I was hoping we played guys sooner in a lost season a long time ago instead of other upperclassmen.

That said, at this point, the new coach has to build for the future. And a lot of that means playing guys who can improve over the year so that next year will be better. If the goal is truly top 25, then Rice needs to sacrifice short term gain for long term rebuilding.

The above also said, the department is a joke and the crony yahoos who have overseen the last decade of demise either can't tell or couldn't be bothered.

I wouldnt stick my chest, I mean belly, to far on his stat sheet. I’m sure the other players had a lot to do with the win you are talking about. If not he would have more wins if it where the TJ show.
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(10-23-2018 08:46 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:20 PM)ATXowl Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:07 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 07:54 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  [quote='ATXowl' pid='15602499' dateline='1540339914']

True the INT slipped out of his hand and that’s on Tyner. Can’t have that happen. The snap on th
e other hand sorry goes to the center. He had 2 snap infraction penalties that game and has had mutliole snaps on the ground. Also his shotgun snaps are not so great lately. But whatever....Regardless of what Bloom does I never thought the QB situation could be handled worse than what Lynch did. QB talent Tyner is the best we have granted in his limited play hasn’t shown it. Stank was not very good. Marshman is a hard worker but seriously I’ve seen JH QB’s do what he’s doing. Green is just young and not ready. Glaesman and Tyner were part of last years fiasco and were never going to be a part Blooms system. The fact we are considering putting running backs and receivers in at QB is embarrassing. Unfortunately these guys are making Rice football an absolute joke. It’s sad.

“Seriously” if a JH QB can do what Marshman is/was doing then why couldn’t Tyner the GOAT do it? In Marshman’s first start he scored 2 TDs or what TJ did ALL of last year before he got benched. You have some nerve!
[/

What did Tyner do in his first significant playing time as a redshirt freshman like Marshman...oh that’s right he got the WIN. But seriously this program is a joke and NOT ALL of you guys here but many make rooting for Rice absolutely miserable. Just can’t stomach reading this crap anymore.

I don't disagree that the last regime totally screwed up the QB situation and competition. Lynch seemingly wouldn't know what to do with a playbook that had more than 3 plays in it. I was hoping we played guys sooner in a lost season a long time ago instead of other upperclassmen.

That said, at this point, the new coach has to build for the future. And a lot of that means playing guys who can improve over the year so that next year will be better. If the goal is truly top 25, then Rice needs to sacrifice short term gain for long term rebuilding.

The above also said, the department is a joke and the crony yahoos who have overseen the last decade of demise either can't tell or couldn't be bothered.

I wouldnt stick my chest, I mean belly, to far on his stat sheet. I’m sure the other players had a lot to do with the win you are talking about. If not he would have more wins if it where the TJ show.

I’m sorry forgot that Marshman was playing FIU by himself.
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I never said or implied EM was a one man show...not even close. You insult EM comparing him to a junior high player and yet your numbers over three years are subpar by any football measure. Quit blaming the Coach as I recall you did the same last year. Just maybe, it might not be the Coach.
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(10-23-2018 08:46 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:20 PM)ATXowl Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:07 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 07:54 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 07:11 PM)ATXowl Wrote:  True the INT slipped out of his hand and that’s on Tyner. Can’t have that happen. The snap on th
e other hand sorry goes to the center. He had 2 snap infraction penalties that game and has had mutliole snaps on the ground. Also his shotgun snaps are not so great lately. But whatever....Regardless of what Bloom does I never thought the QB situation could be handled worse than what Lynch did. QB talent Tyner is the best we have granted in his limited play hasn’t shown it. Stank was not very good. Marshman is a hard worker but seriously I’ve seen JH QB’s do what he’s doing. Green is just young and not ready. Glaesman and Tyner were part of last years fiasco and were never going to be a part Blooms system. The fact we are considering putting running backs and receivers in at QB is embarrassing. Unfortunately these guys are making Rice football an absolute joke. It’s sad.

“Seriously” if a JH QB can do what Marshman is/was doing then why couldn’t Tyner the GOAT do it? In Marshman’s first start he scored 2 TDs or what TJ did ALL of last year before he got benched. You have some nerve!
[/

What did Tyner do in his first significant playing time as a redshirt freshman like Marshman...oh that’s right he got the WIN. But seriously this program is a joke and NOT ALL of you guys here but many make rooting for Rice absolutely miserable. Just can’t stomach reading this crap anymore.

I don't disagree that the last regime totally screwed up the QB situation and competition. Lynch seemingly wouldn't know what to do with a playbook that had more than 3 plays in it. I was hoping we played guys sooner in a lost season a long time ago instead of other upperclassmen.

That said, at this point, the new coach has to build for the future. And a lot of that means playing guys who can improve over the year so that next year will be better. If the goal is truly top 25, then Rice needs to sacrifice short term gain for long term rebuilding.

The above also said, the department is a joke and the crony yahoos who have overseen the last decade of demise either can't tell or couldn't be bothered.

I wouldnt stick my chest, I mean belly, to far on his stat sheet. I’m sure the other players had a lot to do with the win you are talking about. If not he would have more wins if it where the TJ show.

I’m sorry forgot that Marshman was playing FIU by himself.

https://www.ricefootball.net/18unt.html

TJ fans, both of you, may not like this article. PLAYER or PLAYA. If the Marshman kid is a hard worker and a Playa what is....
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(10-23-2018 11:08 PM)Hank16 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:46 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:20 PM)ATXowl Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:07 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 07:54 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  “Seriously” if a JH QB can do what Marshman is/was doing then why couldn’t Tyner the GOAT do it? In Marshman’s first start he scored 2 TDs or what TJ did ALL of last year before he got benched. You have some nerve!
[/

What did Tyner do in his first significant playing time as a redshirt freshman like Marshman...oh that’s right he got the WIN. But seriously this program is a joke and NOT ALL of you guys here but many make rooting for Rice absolutely miserable. Just can’t stomach reading this crap anymore.

I don't disagree that the last regime totally screwed up the QB situation and competition. Lynch seemingly wouldn't know what to do with a playbook that had more than 3 plays in it. I was hoping we played guys sooner in a lost season a long time ago instead of other upperclassmen.

That said, at this point, the new coach has to build for the future. And a lot of that means playing guys who can improve over the year so that next year will be better. If the goal is truly top 25, then Rice needs to sacrifice short term gain for long term rebuilding.

The above also said, the department is a joke and the crony yahoos who have overseen the last decade of demise either can't tell or couldn't be bothered.

I wouldnt stick my chest, I mean belly, to far on his stat sheet. I’m sure the other players had a lot to do with the win you are talking about. If not he would have more wins if it where the TJ show.

I’m sorry forgot that Marshman was playing FIU by himself.

https://www.ricefootball.net/18unt.html

TJ fans, both of you, may not like this article. PLAYER or PLAYA. If the Marshman kid is a hard worker and a Playa what is....

Who is TJ?
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Ok... I've had a hiatus... But, I'm about to spell it all out and end the debate about the QB situation.... This is fact based (as was the ABO btw), and while abstract and subjective in nature, beyond dispute: (this could get a little long)

1) Why Stank in the beginning? Stank was "their guy". They (coaches) brought him to be their QB. They selected him early in their tenure and made an investment in him. All the while that Tyner was getting reps and being touted as the number one, I knew in my heart that Bloom didn't waste his first major signing of a scholarship on a guy not to play. Stank showed some potential right up until two game films exposed him... At that point, it was over for him.... Just didn't have enough speed or arm to produce.

2) Why the young guys now? It's simple and I get it. Bloom ain't stupid. He has calculated that this rebuild isn't one year away but two or even three. So why not play guys that will be there in three years. By the way, there ain't gonna be an Evan Marshman show either if and/or when he ever gets "his" guy on campus.. It's the business of the business and I get it, but it does suck for guys who came to Rice to play and truly commit to helping turn it around.... But hey, I'm sure they'll all get a big hug on Senior day...

3) Why not Tyner? Multiple part answer: 1st: It came apart for him in a short stint against UTSA, but that leash this year has been awfully short. He had a small window to emerge and the window closed when the center hit himself in the leg with a snap. 2nd: MOSTLY, Tyner ain't their guy... He wasn't Lynch's "guy". He was recruited as an "athlete", they saw his arm talent and Edmonson loved it. Edmonson out, Lynch in... Lynch had "guys"... Bailiff and Lynch out, Bloomgren in... Bloom has "guys" coming or brought a "guy" (Stank)... Tyner is like the Tom Hanks character in the Terminal. There's nothing wrong with him. In fact, he's one of the hardest workers in the Patterson Building. He simply does not have an advocate. No one invested their reputation in him, so the result is this: a 6'5" 250 athletic QB with "Andrew Luck type arm talent" (I happen to know these words were used by Bloomgren in front of the team) that has A) not been properly developed at this point by either staff, B) Has not been used.

So... to sum up the whole situation and this is truth... I don't know "what the best answer at QB is", but I know with 140% certainty, that NONE of the QB options (including Stankavage) are/were better than Tyner. That is not to say that Tyner didn't need to play better in spots.... But here is a summation of Tyner's time: Has started 3 games in his career... ONLY ONCE, was he named the starter on the Sunday ahead of the game (Stanford in Palo Alto). That means that was the only game where a game plan was built for him. His 2nd start against FIU last year, he was named on Wednesday after Glaesman was ruled out and were it not for a dropped pass on the 1 yard line, the Owls win that night. His 3rd start at Pitt, he was named on Thursday after Glaesman fell ill in Houston. His first appearance was as a Freshman vs. UTEP where he threw for over 200 yards and two TD's including a TD reception. He threw for 232 at Pitt. (Btw... that is PITT.. Not a power house like Wake Forest or Hawaii...) He was serviceable off the bench at UH after Glaesman got hurt last year, and actually sparked the Owls vs. UH this year when Stank cramped.

It's unfortunate that the program is in a rebuild....I hate that Bloom feels he has to go this route. But had Lynch given Tyner the ball last year and been as patient and guarded in the game plan as he was willing to be with Glaesman and Smalls, Rice wins 4 games in conference. And if Rice wins 4 games in conference, Bloom might have a confident signal caller with true arm talent and REAL EXPERIENCE.

BUT.... I get it...I'll get accused of sour grapes... I'll get accused of "just being too close"... I've told you all before, I ain't the kid's daddy, I ain't his best friend.. I know the kid. I know the family... I know football... If it weren't for that family, I wouldn't give two plops for Rice....

But like I said... It's the business. I played the game at the highest level...THE HIGHEST LEVEL... I know what it means to be better than your competition and still get the apple and the road map because "I wasn't their guy"... It sucks.. But at the end of the day, it don't mean diddly sh**.

So going forward it is really pretty simple.... Bloom can do one of two things: 1) The Coach Move: protect staff competence and direction which means NEVER let Tyner behind Center again, because once they do, it will be evident he was better or at least as good an option... 2) Play the best guy and try to win these games today and now...

But look, Bloom was hired to rebuild a program, so while I do begrudge what a kid might have to go through, I don't begrudge the man doing what he thinks he has to. It's a business and a big business. I'm not so sure I wouldn't bottom it myself to lower the floor and raise the ceiling....

I wish them luck... Every kid in that program is going to leave that institute better off. They will be Rice graduates. I do hope that Bloom doesn't think guys are going to just "transfer"... That ain't Cougar High, that's Rice. They ain't leaving that Engineering Degree from Rice...
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(10-23-2018 08:07 PM)Antarius Wrote:  I don't disagree that the last regime totally screwed up the QB situation and competition. Lynch seemingly wouldn't know what to do with a playbook that had more than 3 plays in it. I was hoping we played guys sooner in a lost season a long time ago instead of other upperclassmen.

That said, at this point, the new coach has to build for the future. And a lot of that means playing guys who can improve over the year so that next year will be better. If the goal is truly top 25, then Rice needs to sacrifice short term gain for long term rebuilding.

The above also said, the department is a joke and the crony yahoos who have overseen the last decade of demise either can't tell or couldn't be bothered.

I wouldnt stick my chest, I mean belly, to far on his stat sheet. I’m sure the other players had a lot to do with the win you are talking about. If not he would have more wins if it where the TJ show.

I’m sorry forgot that Marshman was playing FIU by himself.

https://www.ricefootball.net/18unt.html

TJ fans, both of you, may not like this article. PLAYER or PLAYA. If the Marshman kid is a hard worker and a Playa what is....

Who is TJ?

TJ is Tyner Jackson, the alter ego of JT who is not a victim of ABO, ABBO (Agenda-Based Bloomgren Offense) or ABBA
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(10-24-2018 09:46 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:08 PM)Hank16 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:46 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:20 PM)ATXowl Wrote:  I wouldnt stick my chest, I mean belly, to far on his stat sheet. I’m sure the other players had a lot to do with the win you are talking about. If not he would have more wins if it where the TJ show.

I’m sorry forgot that Marshman was playing FIU by himself.

https://www.ricefootball.net/18unt.html

TJ fans, both of you, may not like this article. PLAYER or PLAYA. If the Marshman kid is a hard worker and a Playa what is....

Who is TJ?

TJ is Tyner Jackson, the alter ego of JT who is not a victim of ABO, ABBO (Agenda-Based Bloomgren Offense) or ABBA

Mamma Mia, here we go again..
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No Sir... I've said my piece... I think it's the sort of thing that happens at more programs than it doesn't actually...Heck LSU has the same drama every year and I'm not so sure Bama didn't have it right up until halftime of the title game last year. .... Not gonna stir that pot again.. Just wanted to lay the current year's situation on the table fairly to refute some of the spewing on this board... There's been some unwarranted arrows at several different kids... Some of it ridiculous... But I would always hate for facts and truth to get in the way of pathetic negativism..
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RE: Post FIU / Pre NT Mean Green FB Thread
(10-24-2018 09:51 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 09:46 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:08 PM)Hank16 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 08:46 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  I’m sorry forgot that Marshman was playing FIU by himself.

https://www.ricefootball.net/18unt.html

TJ fans, both of you, may not like this article. PLAYER or PLAYA. If the Marshman kid is a hard worker and a Playa what is....

Who is TJ?

TJ is Tyner Jackson, the alter ego of JT who is not a victim of ABO, ABBO (Agenda-Based Bloomgren Offense) or ABBA

Mamma Mia, here we go again..

That's the first of the two central tenets of ABBA (football version): the second is that everyone that feels slighted at any position is going to repeatedly ask for Bloomgren to "take a (fourth/fifth) chance on me"
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RE: Post FIU / Pre NT Mean Green FB Thread
(10-24-2018 10:04 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 09:51 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 09:46 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-23-2018 11:08 PM)Hank16 Wrote:  https://www.ricefootball.net/18unt.html

TJ fans, both of you, may not like this article. PLAYER or PLAYA. If the Marshman kid is a hard worker and a Playa what is....

Who is TJ?

TJ is Tyner Jackson, the alter ego of JT who is not a victim of ABO, ABBO (Agenda-Based Bloomgren Offense) or ABBA

Mamma Mia, here we go again..

That's the first of the two central tenets of ABBA (football version): the second is that everyone that feels slighted at any position is going to repeatedly ask for Bloomgren to "take a (fourth/fifth) chance on me"

You don't read so good... or you select facts.. But I tell you what.. Y'all keep taking me for a fool... I ain't Rice smart like you all... But I know what I've been talking about... I can document it... And there will be a day... But today ain't the day...

I know why I went on hiatus though... I love all of you... You guys remind me of so many things I miss and cherish about being a fan... In the stands, on the laptop, on TV it looks so easy... But if you knew.. If you really knew what goes on inside a real college or pro football facility especially the Patterson Center last year and now recently this year, you would feel as stupid as you try to make others look...
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Really didnt buy in to ABO.

But, I can understand the issues brought up with Stank, TJ, and the 'sproutlings'.

I have *zero* connection to Rice FB at a personal relationship level: the preceding coaching staff, this coaching staff, any current player, or for that matter any player on the team since the early 90's.

But Neely's comments on 'his man' do make a huge amount of sense; even in the startups I have been in you see this social angle with 'new head people.'

The new head people are charged with 'moving forward in a positive manner'. There are three options to achieving that goal: a) bring in 'your guys' (quicker timeframe if successful); b) grow newbies into the positions (longer timeframe); c) use what you have to try and achieve it.

In no way do I fault Bloom for laying chips on Stank --- but I think even the most optimistic of us here is realizing that the upside that all of us imagined simply is not there with regards to him. But I fully realize why that path was emphasized --- much easier to make the recruiting more palatable with a better record.

And, conversely, I do not fault Bloom for 'bailing' on TJ. Two series and two turnovers is not good, in the slightest. it might very well suck that one of them was a center mishap --- but the glare typically ends at the QB on the interaction.

And, tbh, Neely's comments do have a ring of truth for transitions. Many times in my experience (not in athletics) it is obvious that when a C-Level comes in that it will be 'his guys' that get the feeding. And, on more than one occasion it has happened that someone takes over that spot in the rung above me -- it is more than logical that one just may be a 'warm body occupying' until 'his guy' takes your place. Nothing bad, or wrong about that. It is inherent.

One also has to realize that in that situation (being 'not the guy' in the position) that any f-up will probably ice you completely for a long, long time.

And finally, I dont fault Bloom for 'going young'. I think with the absence of results on the field, this is the tack he has to take to make his recruiting efforts bear much of any fruit.

I cant comment on TJ's abilities. The fact is that I havent seen enough of them to judge. Would really suck if he is the 'guy stuck in the crack' -- terrible place to be and I really empathize with him if this is the case. But, I do understand if this is the case.

Have to say, at least for this instance, Neely's comments ring truer than his other ABO comments.
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(10-24-2018 09:18 AM)Neelys Ghost Wrote:  Ok... I've had a hiatus... But, I'm about to spell it all out and end the debate about the QB situation.... This is fact based (as was the ABO btw), and while abstract and subjective in nature, beyond dispute: (this could get a little long)

1) Why Stank in the beginning? Stank was "their guy". They (coaches) brought him to be their QB. They selected him early in their tenure and made an investment in him. All the while that Tyner was getting reps and being touted as the number one, I knew in my heart that Bloom didn't waste his first major signing of a scholarship on a guy not to play. Stank showed some potential right up until two game films exposed him... At that point, it was over for him.... Just didn't have enough speed or arm to produce.

2) Why the young guys now? It's simple and I get it. Bloom ain't stupid. He has calculated that this rebuild isn't one year away but two or even three. So why not play guys that will be there in three years. By the way, there ain't gonna be an Evan Marshman show either if and/or when he ever gets "his" guy on campus.. It's the business of the business and I get it, but it does suck for guys who came to Rice to play and truly commit to helping turn it around.... But hey, I'm sure they'll all get a big hug on Senior day...

3) Why not Tyner? Multiple part answer: 1st: It came apart for him in a short stint against UTSA, but that leash this year has been awfully short. He had a small window to emerge and the window closed when the center hit himself in the leg with a snap. 2nd: MOSTLY, Tyner ain't their guy... He wasn't Lynch's "guy". He was recruited as an "athlete", they saw his arm talent and Edmonson loved it. Edmonson out, Lynch in... Lynch had "guys"... Bailiff and Lynch out, Bloomgren in... Bloom has "guys" coming or brought a "guy" (Stank)... Tyner is like the Tom Hanks character in the Terminal. There's nothing wrong with him. In fact, he's one of the hardest workers in the Patterson Building. He simply does not have an advocate. No one invested their reputation in him, so the result is this: a 6'5" 250 athletic QB with "Andrew Luck type arm talent" (I happen to know these words were used by Bloomgren in front of the team) that has A) not been properly developed at this point by either staff, B) Has not been used.

So... to sum up the whole situation and this is truth... I don't know "what the best answer at QB is", but I know with 140% certainty, that NONE of the QB options (including Stankavage) are/were better than Tyner. That is not to say that Tyner didn't need to play better in spots.... But here is a summation of Tyner's time: Has started 3 games in his career... ONLY ONCE, was he named the starter on the Sunday ahead of the game (Stanford in Palo Alto). That means that was the only game where a game plan was built for him. His 2nd start against FIU last year, he was named on Wednesday after Glaesman was ruled out and were it not for a dropped pass on the 1 yard line, the Owls win that night. His 3rd start at Pitt, he was named on Thursday after Glaesman fell ill in Houston. His first appearance was as a Freshman vs. UTEP where he threw for over 200 yards and two TD's including a TD reception. He threw for 232 at Pitt. (Btw... that is PITT.. Not a power house like Wake Forest or Hawaii...) He was serviceable off the bench at UH after Glaesman got hurt last year, and actually sparked the Owls vs. UH this year when Stank cramped.

It's unfortunate that the program is in a rebuild....I hate that Bloom feels he has to go this route. But had Lynch given Tyner the ball last year and been as patient and guarded in the game plan as he was willing to be with Glaesman and Smalls, Rice wins 4 games in conference. And if Rice wins 4 games in conference, Bloom might have a confident signal caller with true arm talent and REAL EXPERIENCE.

BUT.... I get it...I'll get accused of sour grapes... I'll get accused of "just being too close"... I've told you all before, I ain't the kid's daddy, I ain't his best friend.. I know the kid. I know the family... I know football... If it weren't for that family, I wouldn't give two plops for Rice....

But like I said... It's the business. I played the game at the highest level...THE HIGHEST LEVEL... I know what it means to be better than your competition and still get the apple and the road map because "I wasn't their guy"... It sucks.. But at the end of the day, it don't mean diddly sh**.

So going forward it is really pretty simple.... Bloom can do one of two things: 1) The Coach Move: protect staff competence and direction which means NEVER let Tyner behind Center again, because once they do, it will be evident he was better or at least as good an option... 2) Play the best guy and try to win these games today and now...

But look, Bloom was hired to rebuild a program, so while I do begrudge what a kid might have to go through, I don't begrudge the man doing what he thinks he has to. It's a business and a big business. I'm not so sure I wouldn't bottom it myself to lower the floor and raise the ceiling....

I wish them luck... Every kid in that program is going to leave that institute better off. They will be Rice graduates. I do hope that Bloom doesn't think guys are going to just "transfer"... That ain't Cougar High, that's Rice. They ain't leaving that Engineering Degree from Rice...


TJ won four games in HS his Sr year and he was playing against 3A talent. You where good until you said HE would have won four conference games and he was the best option. On paper he looks great but I suspect college scouts saw what we are seeing when he plays. Maybe that's why he's is not at a bigger football school.
You guys continue to make excuses for his lack of success. If he only had ONE MORE CHANCE he would show him. Well he just might get that chance but to think he would perform any different than he has in the last three years is not realistic.

TJ has had three years to develop his game. I don't think he is better now than in 2016 but now that too is the Coaching staffs fault. Green was selected by Coach Bloom, maybe that is his guy but lessons learned tell me that for a team like Rice if you are a PLAYER you will play.
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Ole Hank.. I luh yu man... I've read you... You got spunk.. I like it... Your thoughts are well delivered. They're obviously carefully thought out. And they are most certainly effectively "stingers". Painful barbs, if you will....

(Inhales deeply)

But your retort that he only won 4 games his senior year against 3A talent....... blah blah blah...

Did you ever consider that maybe... just maybe... he was playing WITH 3A TALENT?... NAY... he was perhaps playing WITH BAD 3A TALENT. And as such, his high school team may even have also been poorly coached.. maybe just maybe...

So could it be argued that had he not played for that program that year that they would have won ZERO GAMES... or even just ONE GAME?

But after all that, he chose Rice and Rice chose him.... Make him a player...

So let's see... By comparison, has also not won but twice...and he's not currently playing... Hmmmm

I applaud your effort and wish you the best of luck in your future bash attempts... I appreciate it...

But consider your opinion cancelled and not on my level...
Have a nice chicken salad...
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