(10-20-2018 09:04 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  There's no fixing stupid.

you are proof of that

We won’t have to worry about losing Norvell any time soon.

(10-20-2018 06:32 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:28 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 05:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 05:55 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 05:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  And our fans wanna blame brady white. This place is the best for lulz

We need an athletic QB. Lynch and Ferguson really did a lot on their own. I’d go ahead and replace White, he simply isn’t the right fit for this team.

I still cant figure out why yall wanna blame white. We have one of the worst defenses, if not the worst, in d1.

Last year they were blaming Ferguson saying he was not mobile enough. When things are not going right just blame the QB.


Just had their second string QB for 5 yard loss we miss arm tackle and he gains first down.

I get what you’re saying, but White is not the QB this team needs. His footwork and his arm strength are weaknesses, and his pocket awareness is really not good. These weaknesses have been apparent all season. Granted, it is putting too much on him to make up for deficiencies on defense, but he is a weak link on the offense. I really believe Anthony Miller would struggle with him behind center.

What many are failing to recognize is while he is a junior class wise. Due to redshirt and injuries he is a freshman experience wise. He still has not played a full season on the field. He has less than a year under this system. We have taken a step back this year. If you were honest you expected us to take a step back.

I stand by my position that if he plays at least three years and maybe four then he will rewrite a large portion of the Tigers record books.

Even as bad as many thinks a he is this year he still has a chance of having a top 5 single season passing yards this year. 1 TD away from reaching top 10 in single season TDs.

Norvell has done well with his recruiting, in another yr his recruits will be coming into their own
Yes, CJF recruited Lynch however Coach Norvell brought in possibly the best q.B. in Memphis history
We've had some bad breaks this season, but it is what it is. Hopefully we win out and recruit some weak spots.
White has another yr hopefully he improves and Coach brings in a q.b. ready who can go DEEP and hit a 20 yarder
Consistently
A rebuilding yr., but good teams rebuild and we will, we have a good foundation and a good Coach

(10-20-2018 09:35 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Norvell has done well with his recruiting, in another yr his recruits will be coming into their own
Yes, CJF recruited Lynch however Coach Norvell brought in possibly the best q.B. in Memphis history
We've had some bad breaks this season, but it is what it is. Hopefully we win out and recruit some weak spots.
White has another yr hopefully he improves and Coach brings in a q.b. ready who can go DEEP and hit a 20 yarder
Consistently
A rebuilding yr., but good teams rebuild and we will, we have a good foundation and a good Coach

I agree. I think Norvell is a good coach for us - he’s young, energetic, and well-spoken. He may not be Nick Saban, but Saban is not walking through our door anytime soon.

(10-20-2018 08:59 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 08:52 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 08:46 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 08:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 08:38 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  If you can't see that the QB play has been dismal....It affects everything . Play calling is so vanilla because of his limited ability. Calling me dumb? defense has been bad for years. We just outscore them. Not this year.

Dumb is the wrong word. Complaining about white is like worrying about the color of deck chairs on the Titanic.

My point is nothing will change until that position is fixed. It's kind of an important position

He has a rag arm. No argument, but his receivers are not very good either. The loss of Anthony Miller has had a much bigger impact than losing Ferguson. These guys have a real problem getting separation. You can point the finger all over the place. The problem is we're soft! Everyone on this team is soft.

So a rag arm that has no mobility. Just sayin maybe he's not the guy we want running this O. We got a lot of problems, but this one jumps out at me.

Lots of issues for sure. White didn’t lose this game, but it’s obvious to me that he isn’t a good fit for this team. We really need a qb with mobility. The protection is dismal for the most part and he really has a hard time when he leaves the pocket. I’m not trying to bash the guy, he would probably a good player for a different team. It’s too bad Moore quit, I think he’d see some action now. I’d like to see Norvell give someone else a chance. Hopefully, he’s mobile or there’s a high probability of getting someone seriously hurt.

The defense, well they were just awful. Can’t find any bright spots there... A team going for 4th down on their 35 yard line? Absolutely no respect at all...

(10-20-2018 08:23 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 07:39 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:35 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:33 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  We have had a few good D players over the past 10 years, but haven't had an overall good defense in ages. The offense has had to score almost every possession for us to beat good teams. This year, the O is just average - and below average without Henderson. Does the SEC scoop up every good D player or is it our coaching?

I disagree on offense
Henderson
Pollard
Coxie
Magnifico
Taylor

Are all really good. We are only as good as our quarterback, though. Anthony Miller would struggle with White under center. He doesn’t give our playmakers a chance

This team is just as good as last year except for 1 position. It's obvious what the issue(or position) is. We are as good as Mizzou except for 1 position. Swap our guy with theirs, we destroy them.

We scored 33 points without our all world running back on the sidelines against an SEC team on the road. 65 points given up on defense, the second most in Tiger history (because they missed an extra point), and you want to point fingers at the QB.

Good analysis.

Not that this is much better, but not all of those 65 points were given up by the defense. The pick 6 and blocked punt account for 14. They also scored in one play after the 2nd interception, so the O had a part in those points as well. It was a team effort.

(10-20-2018 08:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 08:38 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 08:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 08:23 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 07:39 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  This team is just as good as last year except for 1 position. It's obvious what the issue(or position) is. We are as good as Mizzou except for 1 position. Swap our guy with theirs, we destroy them.

We scored 33 points without our all world running back on the sidelines against an SEC team on the road. 65 points given up on defense, the second most in Tiger history (because they missed an extra point), and you want to point fingers at the QB.

Good analysis.

Forget it man. I cant figure out whether they are dumb or trolling. I hope its the latter.

If you can't see that the QB play has been dismal....It affects everything . Play calling is so vanilla because of his limited ability. Calling me dumb? defense has been bad for years. We just outscore them. Not this year.

So we now have a QB that can't make up for the horrendous defense and you want to blame him? Point your rifle at the problem. Yeah he doesn't have a bazooka for an arm, but our problem is defense. We gave up....drum roll.......65 POINTS!!!!!!!!!!

Yes you are the former and not the latter.

Again, the D (which gave up some horrible plays today) is not responsible for all of the 65 points. 1) THERE WAS A PICK 6. The D was not on the field then.2) There was a blocked punt that gave the Mizzou O the ball in the red zone, etc.

(10-20-2018 06:31 PM)blutgr39 Wrote:  A legit question...will we win another game?

yes

(10-20-2018 09:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:32 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:28 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 05:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 05:55 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  We need an athletic QB. Lynch and Ferguson really did a lot on their own. I’d go ahead and replace White, he simply isn’t the right fit for this team.

I still cant figure out why yall wanna blame white. We have one of the worst defenses, if not the worst, in d1.

Last year they were blaming Ferguson saying he was not mobile enough. When things are not going right just blame the QB.


Just had their second string QB for 5 yard loss we miss arm tackle and he gains first down.

I get what you’re saying, but White is not the QB this team needs. His footwork and his arm strength are weaknesses, and his pocket awareness is really not good. These weaknesses have been apparent all season. Granted, it is putting too much on him to make up for deficiencies on defense, but he is a weak link on the offense. I really believe Anthony Miller would struggle with him behind center.

What many are failing to recognize is while he is a junior class wise. Due to redshirt and injuries he is a freshman experience wise. He still has not played a full season on the field. He has less than a year under this system. We have taken a step back this year. If you were honest you expected us to take a step back.

I stand by my position that if he plays at least three years and maybe four then he will rewrite a large portion of the Tigers record books.

Even as bad as many thinks a he is this year he still has a chance of having a top 5 single season passing yards this year. 1 TD away from reaching top 10 in single season TDs.

He already has a great grasp of the offense. He’s not getting faster, he is 21. His arm is not getting stronger. He may be our best right now, but I would bet the 2 qbs that left, and probably the 2 behind him, would have great stats with this offense and supporting cast. I like Brady White, but we definitely need better quarterback play

(10-20-2018 11:35 PM)Newton card Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 09:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:32 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:28 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 05:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  I still cant figure out why yall wanna blame white. We have one of the worst defenses, if not the worst, in d1.

Last year they were blaming Ferguson saying he was not mobile enough. When things are not going right just blame the QB.


Just had their second string QB for 5 yard loss we miss arm tackle and he gains first down.

I get what you’re saying, but White is not the QB this team needs. His footwork and his arm strength are weaknesses, and his pocket awareness is really not good. These weaknesses have been apparent all season. Granted, it is putting too much on him to make up for deficiencies on defense, but he is a weak link on the offense. I really believe Anthony Miller would struggle with him behind center.

What many are failing to recognize is while he is a junior class wise. Due to redshirt and injuries he is a freshman experience wise. He still has not played a full season on the field. He has less than a year under this system. We have taken a step back this year. If you were honest you expected us to take a step back.

I stand by my position that if he plays at least three years and maybe four then he will rewrite a large portion of the Tigers record books.

Even as bad as many thinks a he is this year he still has a chance of having a top 5 single season passing yards this year. 1 TD away from reaching top 10 in single season TDs.

He already has a great grasp of the offense. He’s not getting faster, he is 21. His arm is not getting stronger. He may be our best right now, but I would bet the 2 qbs that left, and probably the 2 behind him, would have great stats with this offense and supporting cast. I like Brady White, but we definitely need better quarterback play

Brady white was slightly better than anyone else we had. Your boy david moore had great wheels and a stronger arm, but his accuracy and decision making were way off. David moore had an advantage of more experience with the system and actual playing time as the backup to ferguson last year. The fact that he couldn't seperate himself from brady white can't be overlooked.

As for brady's good stats, if you watch him, he rarely throws further than 10 yards down field. The few long passes are usually done straight in front of him in the middle of the field. A majority of his passes are to running backs coming out of the backfield or some variety of screen pass near the line of scrimmage. So when he is not throwing the ball down field as much, it makes sense that he doesn't have many interceptions this year. If brady white tried to make the throws that ferguson and lynch used to do, his td/inteception ratio would be much different. Brady white can't make 10 yard or further throws without having the receiver directly in front of him. Receivers that he will target usually run a route across the middle directly in front on him.

You don't see much of the 10 yard passes or further down field towards the sideline for a reason.

Then you add that he got most of those good stats against cupcakes which we played plenty of this year.

Let me add that brady white goes down to pressure way too easy. I don't know if he is just that weak physically or just has terrible balance, but he is way too easy to bring down. I don't know what it takes to make improvement in this area, but he badly needs to work on it. If the defense barely touches him, he goes down almost without resistance. Just a thud to the ground. No fight in those legs.

(10-20-2018 06:04 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We have undersized db's.

Comparing white to the best 2 qbs in tiger history is stupid.

I hope yall are just venting but the apparent lack of understanding just how bad our secondary is is laughable

It's a huge problem. Even more than the qb issue. We've been playing with 10 guys on defense all year long. Opposing coaches know how to expose it over and over and over and over, and we don't have the offense to overcome that against any bowl calibur team.

I just want to thank the mods here for not banning me yesterday. I can be OCD about things, and there is one guy in the secondary that i don't like at all yet he stays in the game for every snap. It's been driving me crazy all year long. The rest of them i can accept their play, because i realize we are not recruiting 4 and 5 star athletes.

And the coaching staff could make changes. For some reason, they refuse to take him out. When we have injuries, i get it, but we have had situations where we had other guys ready. I truly believe you plug in a better player at that one spot, and our defense makes a huge step forward.

(10-21-2018 11:04 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:04 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We have undersized db's.

Comparing white to the best 2 qbs in tiger history is stupid.

I hope yall are just venting but the apparent lack of understanding just how bad our secondary is is laughable

It's a huge problem. Even more than the qb issue. We've been playing with 10 guys on defense all year long. Opposing coaches know how to expose it over and over and over and over, and we don't have the offense to overcome that against any bowl calibur team.

I just want to thank the mods here for not banning me yesterday. I can be OCD about things, and there is one guy in the secondary that i don't like at all yet he stays in the game for every snap. It's been driving me crazy all year long. The rest of them i can accept their play, because i realize we are not recruiting 4 and 5 star athletes.

And the coaching staff could make changes. For some reason, they refuse to take him out. When we have injuries, i get it, but we have had situations where we had other guys ready. I truly believe you plug in a better player at that one spot, and our defense makes a huge step forward.

TJ Carter has also really regressed this season. Preseason, he was on several watch lists and people were saying he would be one of the best CBs in school history. I know as the number one CB, you're going to get everyone's best receivers. However, he has gotten lazy in coverage-- yesterday, he had three really bad penalties-- reaching and grabbing when he felt like he was beat (when in reality, the throws weren't even close to the receiver). He was also abused against South Alabama and Tulane.

(10-21-2018 11:09 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(10-21-2018 11:04 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:04 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We have undersized db's.

Comparing white to the best 2 qbs in tiger history is stupid.

I hope yall are just venting but the apparent lack of understanding just how bad our secondary is is laughable

It's a huge problem. Even more than the qb issue. We've been playing with 10 guys on defense all year long. Opposing coaches know how to expose it over and over and over and over, and we don't have the offense to overcome that against any bowl calibur team.

I just want to thank the mods here for not banning me yesterday. I can be OCD about things, and there is one guy in the secondary that i don't like at all yet he stays in the game for every snap. It's been driving me crazy all year long. The rest of them i can accept their play, because i realize we are not recruiting 4 and 5 star athletes.

And the coaching staff could make changes. For some reason, they refuse to take him out. When we have injuries, i get it, but we have had situations where we had other guys ready. I truly believe you plug in a better player at that one spot, and our defense makes a huge step forward.

TJ Carter has also really regressed this season. Preseason, he was on several watch lists and people were saying he would be one of the best CBs in school history. I know as the number one CB, you're going to get everyone's best receivers. However, he has gotten lazy in coverage-- yesterday, he had three really bad penalties-- reaching and grabbing when he felt like he was beat (when in reality, the throws weren't even close to the receiver). He was also abused against South Alabama and Tulane.

I agree. He hasn't had as good of a season, but i still think TJ is really good at his position. And he gets absolutely no help from behind. Last year, tigers had a better secondary overall even after one starter got kicked off the team before the season started.

Imo, it only takes one really bad player to make the entire secondary look bad. None of the secondary players look good this year, because they are playing with one guy who is very very bad at his position. It's a team game.

I'm sure the tigers will get burned for big plays a lot more this season since they will continue to play this one guy. This one guy sits 20 yards off the line of scrimmage on most plays, but after the opposing offenses gets behind him, it is #2, #24, #4 and #32 who are the closest to chasing down the players fixing to score the td. This is not a speed thing. It's about field awareness, being physical enough to make a tackle, being in the right position to make the play and knowing how to use angles at your advantage and not your disadvantage.

Watching him play snap after snap making the same mistakes over and over and over makes me sick.

If we had #14 from last year playing this year (he graduated), the tiger defense would look a lot better. We would still have the depth issue though.

My last post on this QB. If he's the best we got, then I'll jump on the Brady train. But, CMN, please recruit a QB. If BW was our QB last year, we would have spent the entire year bashing the D. A good QB can mask a lot of issues. JMO.

(10-21-2018 11:29 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(10-21-2018 11:09 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(10-21-2018 11:04 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:04 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We have undersized db's.

Comparing white to the best 2 qbs in tiger history is stupid.

I hope yall are just venting but the apparent lack of understanding just how bad our secondary is is laughable

It's a huge problem. Even more than the qb issue. We've been playing with 10 guys on defense all year long. Opposing coaches know how to expose it over and over and over and over, and we don't have the offense to overcome that against any bowl calibur team.

I just want to thank the mods here for not banning me yesterday. I can be OCD about things, and there is one guy in the secondary that i don't like at all yet he stays in the game for every snap. It's been driving me crazy all year long. The rest of them i can accept their play, because i realize we are not recruiting 4 and 5 star athletes.

And the coaching staff could make changes. For some reason, they refuse to take him out. When we have injuries, i get it, but we have had situations where we had other guys ready. I truly believe you plug in a better player at that one spot, and our defense makes a huge step forward.

TJ Carter has also really regressed this season. Preseason, he was on several watch lists and people were saying he would be one of the best CBs in school history. I know as the number one CB, you're going to get everyone's best receivers. However, he has gotten lazy in coverage-- yesterday, he had three really bad penalties-- reaching and grabbing when he felt like he was beat (when in reality, the throws weren't even close to the receiver). He was also abused against South Alabama and Tulane.

I agree. He hasn't had as good of a season, but i still think TJ is really good at his position. And he gets absolutely no help from behind. Last year, tigers had a better secondary overall even after one starter got kicked off the team before the season started.

Imo, it only takes one really bad player to make the entire secondary look bad. None of the secondary players look good this year, because they are playing with one guy who is very very bad at his position. It's a team game.

I'm sure the tigers will get burned for big plays a lot more this season since they will continue to play this one guy. This one guy sits 20 yards off the line of scrimmage on most plays, but after the opposing offenses gets behind him, it is #2, #24, #4 and #32 who are the closest to chasing down the players fixing to score the td. This is not a speed thing. It's about field awareness, being physical enough to make a tackle, being in the right position to make the play and knowing how to use angles at your advantage and not your disadvantage.

Watching him play snap after snap making the same mistakes over and over and over makes me sick.

If we had #14 from last year playing this year (he graduated), the tiger defense would look a lot better. We would still have the depth issue though.

Carter is by far the best we have in the secondary. Isn’t he s true sophomore?

(10-21-2018 11:29 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(10-21-2018 11:09 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(10-21-2018 11:04 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  

(10-20-2018 06:04 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We have undersized db's.

Comparing white to the best 2 qbs in tiger history is stupid.

I hope yall are just venting but the apparent lack of understanding just how bad our secondary is is laughable

It's a huge problem. Even more than the qb issue. We've been playing with 10 guys on defense all year long. Opposing coaches know how to expose it over and over and over and over, and we don't have the offense to overcome that against any bowl calibur team.

I just want to thank the mods here for not banning me yesterday. I can be OCD about things, and there is one guy in the secondary that i don't like at all yet he stays in the game for every snap. It's been driving me crazy all year long. The rest of them i can accept their play, because i realize we are not recruiting 4 and 5 star athletes.

And the coaching staff could make changes. For some reason, they refuse to take him out. When we have injuries, i get it, but we have had situations where we had other guys ready. I truly believe you plug in a better player at that one spot, and our defense makes a huge step forward.

TJ Carter has also really regressed this season. Preseason, he was on several watch lists and people were saying he would be one of the best CBs in school history. I know as the number one CB, you're going to get everyone's best receivers. However, he has gotten lazy in coverage-- yesterday, he had three really bad penalties-- reaching and grabbing when he felt like he was beat (when in reality, the throws weren't even close to the receiver). He was also abused against South Alabama and Tulane.

I agree. He hasn't had as good of a season, but i still think TJ is really good at his position. And he gets absolutely no help from behind. Last year, tigers had a better secondary overall even after one starter got kicked off the team before the season started.

Imo, it only takes one really bad player to make the entire secondary look bad. None of the secondary players look good this year, because they are playing with one guy who is very very bad at his position. It's a team game.

I'm sure the tigers will get burned for big plays a lot more this season since they will continue to play this one guy. This one guy sits 20 yards off the line of scrimmage on most plays, but after the opposing offenses gets behind him, it is #2, #24, #4 and #32 who are the closest to chasing down the players fixing to score the td. This is not a speed thing. It's about field awareness, being physical enough to make a tackle, being in the right position to make the play and knowing how to use angles at your advantage and not your disadvantage.

Watching him play snap after snap making the same mistakes over and over and over makes me sick.

If we had #14 from last year playing this year (he graduated), the tiger defense would look a lot better. We would still have the depth issue though.

I'll bite. Who are you referring to? Hall?

Hall is the least of our defensive liabilities.