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RE: Honestly, Why Do We Even Bother?
(10-16-2018 09:07 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 06:25 PM)realtigerinstl Wrote:  
(10-15-2018 10:59 AM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-15-2018 08:15 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(10-15-2018 06:41 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Now you just have to prove it was a "catchable ball"... 03-lmfao

Right! You know, if UCF had played it clean, the game would have ended better just like it did. I don't think the defender caused Pollard to fall as he was catching. Or DID he? To me, I'm not sure if he could have continued to run and catch and get out of bounds. I saw it live, but I had people standing to my left blocking my view of exactly how far he was from the sideline.

But they didn’t. PI called whether or not you catch the ball, get OOB, whatever. So you TAKE the penalty of 15 yards (game can’t end on penalty) and have a 42 yard FG attempt. Probably win game.

I’m still stunned they can tackle our receiver with ball clearly in the air on biggest play of game and, despite being surrounded by 3 refs, there is no call.
It would not have been a 15 yard penalty. It would have been a spot foul. In college, PI less than 15 yards from the line of scrimmage is a spot foul, whereas if the penalty occurs further than 15 yards from the line of scrimmage, it's a 15 yard penalty. Should it have been called? No doubt, but it still would have been about a 50 yard fga for the win.

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When did that rule change? Seems unfair to offense especially if a receiver has a clear path and defender lunges and tackles or interferes (not like this situation).
Well I'm 55 and it's been that way for as long as I can remember. But like I said, I am 55 so my memory isn't that good! :)

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RE: Honestly, Why Do We Even Bother?
(10-17-2018 10:48 AM)Shooters Wrote:  From Tigers1016

“We had a 16 pt lead.
They had almost 100 yds in penalties.

So yeah I call BS. A ref mistake didn’t cost us this game. Our coaches didn’t adjust in the 2nd half which has been the norm in all of our losses.

The PI was debatable.”

Does this sound like a true Tiger fan to you? He is probably the only person in the world who thinks PI penalty was debatable. It’s like watching Ruby shooting Oswald and denying Ruby did it.

Did I criticize the players there? I criticized the coaches rightfully; not sure how that reflects on one's fandom.
Find a post where I criticized the players.


It's also interesting you have gone out of your way to attack my fandom. It's a message board and it's hilarious to see someone lose their sh!t over message board disagreements.
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(10-17-2018 03:01 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(10-17-2018 10:48 AM)Shooters Wrote:  From Tigers1016

“We had a 16 pt lead.
They had almost 100 yds in penalties.

So yeah I call BS. A ref mistake didn’t cost us this game. Our coaches didn’t adjust in the 2nd half which has been the norm in all of our losses.

The PI was debatable.

Does this sound like a true Tiger fan to you? He is probably the only person in the world who thinks PI penalty was debatable. It’s like watching Ruby shooting Oswald and denying Ruby did it.

Did I criticize the players there? I criticized the coaches rightfully; not sure how that reflects on one's fandom.
Find a post where I criticized the players.


It's also interesting you have gone out of your way to attack my fandom. It's a message board and it's hilarious to see someone lose their sh!t over message board disagreements.

Lose my ****? Lol. So when did that allegedly happen?

“We had a 16 point lead; UCF had over 100 yards in penalties “

So you are saying you are not criticizing the players? The entire 16 point lead was blown due to coaching mistakes? Once again, as you didn’t see the PI or holding, you didn’t see the players screw up to help blow the 16 point lead??? It’s all on the coaches?
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(10-15-2018 02:17 PM)slktigers Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 11:00 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

After the pancake block, you can hear the (non-biased) ABC/ESPN guy say, “tough call”.

Our 66 tackled their 54. From looking at it over a few times, we literally picked 54 up off the ground and threw him down. Ya, that's a violation. A simple block would have sufficed.

My thoughts were that the rain took the crowd out of it. We do not play well in adverse weather.

Lastly, we didn't manage the clock well.

I am grateful that we came out and out played them in the first half. We have a good football team. So very sad that we couldn't finish with the win.

I don't know what you watched. You can't pick up a man that size with one hand and throw him that far.

What Joseph did was use the UCF players momentum and shove him down. That's not a penalty.

Parham didn't tackle the UCF player at all; as his arms wern't wrapped around him.

You must not watch much football?
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RE: Honestly, Why Do We Even Bother?
(10-17-2018 05:28 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-17-2018 03:01 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(10-17-2018 10:48 AM)Shooters Wrote:  From Tigers1016

“We had a 16 pt lead.
They had almost 100 yds in penalties.

So yeah I call BS. A ref mistake didn’t cost us this game. Our coaches didn’t adjust in the 2nd half which has been the norm in all of our losses.

The PI was debatable.

Does this sound like a true Tiger fan to you? He is probably the only person in the world who thinks PI penalty was debatable. It’s like watching Ruby shooting Oswald and denying Ruby did it.

Did I criticize the players there? I criticized the coaches rightfully; not sure how that reflects on one's fandom.
Find a post where I criticized the players.


It's also interesting you have gone out of your way to attack my fandom. It's a message board and it's hilarious to see someone lose their sh!t over message board disagreements.

Lose my ****? Lol. So when did that allegedly happen?

“We had a 16 point lead; UCF had over 100 yards in penalties “

So you are saying you are not criticizing the players? The entire 16 point lead was blown due to coaching mistakes? Once again, as you didn’t see the PI or holding, you didn’t see the players screw up to help blow the 16 point lead??? It’s all on the coaches?

It’s happening and everyone can see it lol

So that quote means I was criticizing the players? That’s quite a reach lol
I put the blame on the coaches for not adjusting in the 2nd half. I have been plenty clear about that.

Now you have resorted to another lie. Find a post where I said there wasn’t a holding on Henderson’s TD run. I have been pretty clear in several posts that it was a horrendous call.

You seem to have a problem with me for some reason. Maybe it’s cuz of our debates with your old alias? Either way, my point has been there’s no conspiracy as was the point of the OP. You went out of your way to somehow claim that does not make one a Tiger fan. Then you have lied twice now about 1) me criticizing the players, 2) saying there wasn’t a hold on Henderson’s TD run.

I’ll wait for you to find the posts in this thread so you can disprove what I just said above.
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AAC head of officials said on the league Facebook page that it was league policy not to comment on judgement calls. So i asked them straight forward about non judgement calls.

Rules state that teams are divided by a imaginary line the length of the football and all members of each team must be behind the line. On most plays the UCF defenders lined up with their helmet directly in line with the football and many times their helmet were across the ball length line.

Nothing judgement about the rule and they never once got called for lining up in the neutral zone.
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(10-17-2018 07:02 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(10-17-2018 05:28 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-17-2018 03:01 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(10-17-2018 10:48 AM)Shooters Wrote:  From Tigers1016

“We had a 16 pt lead.
They had almost 100 yds in penalties.

So yeah I call BS. A ref mistake didn’t cost us this game. Our coaches didn’t adjust in the 2nd half which has been the norm in all of our losses.

The PI was debatable.

Does this sound like a true Tiger fan to you? He is probably the only person in the world who thinks PI penalty was debatable. It’s like watching Ruby shooting Oswald and denying Ruby did it.

Did I criticize the players there? I criticized the coaches rightfully; not sure how that reflects on one's fandom.
Find a post where I criticized the players.


It's also interesting you have gone out of your way to attack my fandom. It's a message board and it's hilarious to see someone lose their sh!t over message board disagreements.

Lose my ****? Lol. So when did that allegedly happen?

“We had a 16 point lead; UCF had over 100 yards in penalties “

So you are saying you are not criticizing the players? The entire 16 point lead was blown due to coaching mistakes? Once again, as you didn’t see the PI or holding, you didn’t see the players screw up to help blow the 16 point lead??? It’s all on the coaches?

It’s happening and everyone can see it lol

So that quote means I was criticizing the players? That’s quite a reach lol
I put the blame on the coaches for not adjusting in the 2nd half. I have been plenty clear about that.

Now you have resorted to another lie. Find a post where I said there wasn’t a holding on Henderson’s TD run. I have been pretty clear in several posts that it was a horrendous call.

You seem to have a problem with me for some reason. Maybe it’s cuz of our debates with your old alias? Either way, my point has been there’s no conspiracy as was the point of the OP. You went out of your way to somehow claim that does not make one a Tiger fan. Then you have lied twice now about 1) me criticizing the players, 2) saying there wasn’t a hold on Henderson’s TD run.

I’ll wait for you to find the posts in this thread so you can disprove what I just said above.

Defender took an inside path the to runner. The OL man put out an arm BUT DID NOT GRAB OR WRAP UP THE DEFENDER. The defender lost his balance and the OL toss him aside with ONE ARM and without GRABBING HIM.
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(10-14-2018 08:58 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 03:51 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  Recent Tiger OL Gabe Kuhn says it was holding and explains why. Those missed PIs are another story, tho. Good enough for me.
https://twitter.com/g_kuhn71/status/1051...15878?s=21

I bet Gabe wasn’t watching a 80” screen unconverted to 4K. I don’t know that I’ve ever heard any former Tiger come out and contradict our fans on a very controversial call that I know currents Tigers think was a no call. You sure as hell can not tell from the above video.

The block he described was not the one they called for the phantom hold.
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(10-17-2018 10:49 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 08:58 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 03:51 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  Recent Tiger OL Gabe Kuhn says it was holding and explains why. Those missed PIs are another story, tho. Good enough for me.
https://twitter.com/g_kuhn71/status/1051...15878?s=21

I bet Gabe wasn’t watching a 80” screen unconverted to 4K. I don’t know that I’ve ever heard any former Tiger come out and contradict our fans on a very controversial call that I know currents Tigers think was a no call. You sure as hell can not tell from the above video.

The block he described was not the one they called for the phantom hold.

Nascar guy, you might have some credibility if you didn't whine about the officials on every game thread. Sometimes before the game even starts.

Let's see, who should we trust? Gabe Kuhn, a college offensive lineman, and the 1st Tiger to ever start more than 50 games. Or Nascar guy.

Look at the replies to Gabe's tweet. Thanking Gabe for the explanation. Then, one "expert" has to "correct" Gabe, lecturing him about loads and inside rushes. You know who the "expert" is:



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I believe Gabe was asked to do that by a member of our coaching staff. Never seen a former play come out on a the other side on such a controversial call. It would be like DRose saying he didn’t foul Chalmers (which he tells him he did every time they play against each other).

We are already on their radar and the two videos this week that show poor judgement by the officiating crew will not help us.
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(10-18-2018 10:54 AM)Shooters Wrote:  I believe Gabe was asked to do that by a member of our coaching staff. Never seen a former play come out on a the other side on such a controversial call. It would be like DRose saying he didn’t foul Chalmers (which he tells him he did every time they play against each other).

Sure thing, Shooters.

So the game ended around 6:00 p.m. last Saturday. And the most pressing thing for a member or our coaching staff to do was to call Gabe in St. Louis and ask him to tweet at 6:45 p.m., in response to Fletch's tweet at 5:38 p.m., that the refs made a good call. Great logic.

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(10-18-2018 11:23 AM)Tigx Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 10:54 AM)Shooters Wrote:  I believe Gabe was asked to do that by a member of our coaching staff. Never seen a former play come out on a the other side on such a controversial call. It would be like DRose saying he didn’t foul Chalmers (which he tells him he did every time they play against each other).

Sure thing, Shooters.

So the game ended around 6:00 p.m. last Saturday. And the most pressing thing for a member or our coaching staff to do was to call Gabe in St. Louis and ask him to tweet at 6:45 p.m., in response to Fletch's tweet at 5:38 p.m., that the refs made a good call. Great logic.


Conspiracy theorists galore, man. Sometime all we can do is SMDH
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(10-18-2018 11:38 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 11:23 AM)Tigx Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 10:54 AM)Shooters Wrote:  I believe Gabe was asked to do that by a member of our coaching staff. Never seen a former play come out on a the other side on such a controversial call. It would be like DRose saying he didn’t foul Chalmers (which he tells him he did every time they play against each other).

Sure thing, Shooters.

So the game ended around 6:00 p.m. last Saturday. And the most pressing thing for a member or our coaching staff to do was to call Gabe in St. Louis and ask him to tweet at 6:45 p.m., in response to Fletch's tweet at 5:38 p.m., that the refs made a good call. Great logic.


Conspiracy theorists galore, man. Sometime all we can do is SMDH

Yep, they have a theory for everything.

The real question is how did Shooters get back above the Mendoza Line on rep points.
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(10-18-2018 11:43 AM)Tigx Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 11:38 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 11:23 AM)Tigx Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 10:54 AM)Shooters Wrote:  I believe Gabe was asked to do that by a member of our coaching staff. Never seen a former play come out on a the other side on such a controversial call. It would be like DRose saying he didn’t foul Chalmers (which he tells him he did every time they play against each other).

Sure thing, Shooters.

So the game ended around 6:00 p.m. last Saturday. And the most pressing thing for a member or our coaching staff to do was to call Gabe in St. Louis and ask him to tweet at 6:45 p.m., in response to Fletch's tweet at 5:38 p.m., that the refs made a good call. Great logic.


Conspiracy theorists galore, man. Sometime all we can do is SMDH

Yep, they have a theory for everything.

The real question is how did Shooters get back above the Mendoza Line on rep points.

The answer would be me—but you knew that.

Shooters has some good posts...and I'm not much of a negative repper. It doesn't light my fire. lol
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(10-18-2018 11:23 AM)Tigx Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 10:54 AM)Shooters Wrote:  I believe Gabe was asked to do that by a member of our coaching staff. Never seen a former play come out on a the other side on such a controversial call. It would be like DRose saying he didn’t foul Chalmers (which he tells him he did every time they play against each other).

Sure thing, Shooters.

So the game ended around 6:00 p.m. last Saturday. And the most pressing thing for a member or our coaching staff to do was to call Gabe in St. Louis and ask him to tweet at 6:45 p.m., in response to Fletch's tweet at 5:38 p.m., that the refs made a good call. Great logic.


Everyone knows the coaching staff has a former player for each position on speed dial to make tweets in defense of referees after close loses... What rock have you been living under amigo? 03-banghead
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(10-16-2018 09:07 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
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(10-15-2018 06:41 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Now you just have to prove it was a "catchable ball"... 03-lmfao

Right! You know, if UCF had played it clean, the game would have ended better just like it did. I don't think the defender caused Pollard to fall as he was catching. Or DID he? To me, I'm not sure if he could have continued to run and catch and get out of bounds. I saw it live, but I had people standing to my left blocking my view of exactly how far he was from the sideline.

But they didn’t. PI called whether or not you catch the ball, get OOB, whatever. So you TAKE the penalty of 15 yards (game can’t end on penalty) and have a 42 yard FG attempt. Probably win game.

I’m still stunned they can tackle our receiver with ball clearly in the air on biggest play of game and, despite being surrounded by 3 refs, there is no call.
It would not have been a 15 yard penalty. It would have been a spot foul. In college, PI less than 15 yards from the line of scrimmage is a spot foul, whereas if the penalty occurs further than 15 yards from the line of scrimmage, it's a 15 yard penalty. Should it have been called? No doubt, but it still would have been about a 50 yard fga for the win.

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When did that rule change? Seems unfair to offense especially if a receiver has a clear path and defender lunges and tackles or interferes (not like this situation).

Back in the 80s and it benefited us in 1984. Tigers called for PI on deep pass late. Instead of spot foul they penalized us 15 yards and top 20 FSU had to settle for game tying FG instead of game winning TD.
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(10-17-2018 12:57 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 11:53 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(10-15-2018 11:45 PM)Shooters Wrote:  
(10-15-2018 09:53 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 10:58 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  No, sorry, it's not opinion, it's fact. That WAS pass interference. You cannot make contact with a receiver while a catch-able ball is in the air - MUCH LESS TACKLE HIM.

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Thanks for the screenshot. And thanks for not questioning someone’s fandom cuz they don’t agree with the conspiracy theorists.

You neg repped me instead of replying to my post and saying I was conspiracy theorist. I actually posted early yesterday that I didn’t think it was concious actions by refs to job us. So there goes me being a CT. You have constantly criticized Tiger coaches and players in this thread and I’m assuming think the refs had nothing to do without outcome. You are wrong on both accounts. Most everyone knows it.

I did both. Replied to your post and neg repped you cuz it was deserving. Find a post where I have criticized players on this thread. I’m not into criticizing players but the coaching staff is not off limits.

Anyways, you claimed I criticized players. Find ONE post in this thread otherwise more neg repping is coming your way.

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I humbly am not one. The guy in the video below is a true keyboard warrior.

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