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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
UCF has got to know, if they have looked at the game footage, that they were gifted a win. Christmas came early for UCF. Suspicious game changing calls or non calls happen a bit too often in football and basketball. For some schools it seems to happen to them regardless of the optics.
I have 2 friends who work at Disney World and are Memphis natives. They were watching the game with other friends and co-workers who are UCF fans. They said the group of UCF fans breathed a sigh of relief when they realized a flag was thrown on Henderson's touchdown. They agreed the holding call was BS but were glad to get the call. And then they were again surprised by the non call for pass interference on the last play. Said they shouted "no flag, we win." Several of the UCF group knew it was pass interference, but commented that bad calls and non calls were just part of the game. We will be better next season and it will be our pleasure to give them a loss on their home turf.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
(10-14-2018 05:03 PM)SayWhat? Wrote: UCF has got to know, if they have looked at the game footage, that they were gifted a win. Christmas came early for UCF. Suspicious game changing calls or non calls happen a bit too often in football and basketball. For some schools it seems to happen to them regardless of the optics.
I have 2 friends who work at Disney World and are Memphis natives. They were watching the game with other friends and co-workers who are UCF fans. They said the group of UCF fans breathed a sigh of relief when they realized a flag was thrown on Henderson's touchdown. They agreed the holding call was BS but were glad to get the call. And then they were again surprised by the non call for pass interference on the last play. Said they shouted "no flag, we win." Several of the UCF group knew it was pass interference, but commented that bad calls and non calls were just part of the game. We will be better next season and it will be our pleasure to give them a loss on their home turf.
That's assuming they make the CG, we make the CG, and they are higher ranked. We don't play them regular season again until 2021, which really pisses me off. We owe those guys a couple of beat-downs in a row.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
(10-14-2018 05:26 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: (10-14-2018 05:03 PM)SayWhat? Wrote: UCF has got to know, if they have looked at the game footage, that they were gifted a win. Christmas came early for UCF. Suspicious game changing calls or non calls happen a bit too often in football and basketball. For some schools it seems to happen to them regardless of the optics.
I have 2 friends who work at Disney World and are Memphis natives. They were watching the game with other friends and co-workers who are UCF fans. They said the group of UCF fans breathed a sigh of relief when they realized a flag was thrown on Henderson's touchdown. They agreed the holding call was BS but were glad to get the call. And then they were again surprised by the non call for pass interference on the last play. Said they shouted "no flag, we win." Several of the UCF group knew it was pass interference, but commented that bad calls and non calls were just part of the game. We will be better next season and it will be our pleasure to give them a loss on their home turf.
That's assuming they make the CG, we make the CG, and they are higher ranked. We don't play them regular season again until 2021, which really pisses me off. We owe those guys a couple of beat-downs in a row.
Yeah, I didn't look ahead to next season's schedule. Sucks we don't get to play UCF next year.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
I’m tired of tiger fans blaming what we couldn’t control, that is/was the refs. I can’t believe more people aren’t talking about the clock management from our quarterback and coach ( espn analysts were all over it) after Dykes catch , 38 seconds left, just line up and down the ball. We should have had 2 nd and 10 on 35 yard line with over 30 seconds and the clock stopped. That is on us! No one but us. Why is that being overlooked!! Anyone on here actually ever play!?? Good grief!
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
(10-14-2018 06:18 PM)Newton card Wrote: I’m tired of tiger fans blaming what we couldn’t control, that is/was the refs. I can’t believe more people aren’t talking about the clock management from our quarterback and coach ( espn analysts were all over it) after Dykes catch , 38 seconds left, just line up and down the ball. We should have had 2 nd and 10 on 35 yard line with over 30 seconds and the clock stopped. That is on us! No one but us. Why is that being overlooked!! Anyone on here actually ever play!?? Good grief!
Pass was caught at 41second mark. 1st down clock stoppage at 38. We snapped at 31 after getting in position. Not great not bad. Dykes should have went OOB. Then he celebrated but was non factor. Using that last TO by defense was a terrible move.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
(10-14-2018 06:18 PM)Newton card Wrote: I’m tired of tiger fans blaming what we couldn’t control, that is/was the refs. I can’t believe more people aren’t talking about the clock management from our quarterback and coach ( espn analysts were all over it) after Dykes catch , 38 seconds left, just line up and down the ball. We should have had 2 nd and 10 on 35 yard line with over 30 seconds and the clock stopped. That is on us! No one but us. Why is that being overlooked!! Anyone on here actually ever play!?? Good grief!
Ok the situation we faced on the last play was on us. (I disagree because I think we scored a winning touchdown that was called back on a bogus holding call.) The least we should expect is a fair call from the ref, even if it is the last play. Have you watched the video? Pollard clearly was tackled by the defender before the ball even arrived. He caught the ball as he was falling. Since the game can not end on a defensive penalty, pass interference in this case. We should have had one more play at least 10 yards closer to the goal line. With that one play we could have kicked our field goal and won the game. If for no other reason, that is why we complain about the refs. You're correct that we can not control them. We shouldn't have to. They are supposed to call the game fairly for both sides. In this case they did not. I don't think they were being bias toward UCF. I think they were not wanting to put themselves in a position to make a call that clearly would have changed the outcome of the game. A pass interference call on that play could have changed the outcome of the game. Since making those calls is their whole purpose of being there, I can easily say they did not do their job. The "no call" was not fair to us.
I hope this clears up your concern regarding our feelings toward the refs.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
(10-14-2018 06:57 PM)Shooters Wrote: (10-14-2018 06:18 PM)Newton card Wrote: I’m tired of tiger fans blaming what we couldn’t control, that is/was the refs. I can’t believe more people aren’t talking about the clock management from our quarterback and coach ( espn analysts were all over it) after Dykes catch , 38 seconds left, just line up and down the ball. We should have had 2 nd and 10 on 35 yard line with over 30 seconds and the clock stopped. That is on us! No one but us. Why is that being overlooked!! Anyone on here actually ever play!?? Good grief!
Pass was caught at 41second mark. 1st down clock stoppage at 38. We snapped at 31 after getting in position. Not great not bad. Dykes should have went OOB. Then he celebrated but was non factor. Using that last TO by defense was a terrible move.
Rewatch the game, Dykes got 8xtra yards by not going out. Put us in field goal range. Clock stopped with first down to set chains. All we had to do was quickly spike it and we didn’t. All went downhill from there. As bad of on field/ clock management I’ve ever seen, in any game, at any level. Rewatch if you disagree. ESPN analysts were up in arms, as if they were rooting for us and as disgusted as I was
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
(10-14-2018 07:44 PM)Newton card Wrote: (10-14-2018 06:57 PM)Shooters Wrote: (10-14-2018 06:18 PM)Newton card Wrote: I’m tired of tiger fans blaming what we couldn’t control, that is/was the refs. I can’t believe more people aren’t talking about the clock management from our quarterback and coach ( espn analysts were all over it) after Dykes catch , 38 seconds left, just line up and down the ball. We should have had 2 nd and 10 on 35 yard line with over 30 seconds and the clock stopped. That is on us! No one but us. Why is that being overlooked!! Anyone on here actually ever play!?? Good grief!
Pass was caught at 41second mark. 1st down clock stoppage at 38. We snapped at 31 after getting in position. Not great not bad. Dykes should have went OOB. Then he celebrated but was non factor. Using that last TO by defense was a terrible move.
Rewatch the game, Dykes got 8xtra yards by not going out. Put us in field goal range. Clock stopped with first down to set chains. All we had to do was quickly spike it and we didn’t. All went downhill from there. As bad of on field/ clock management I’ve ever seen, in any game, at any level. Rewatch if you disagree. ESPN analysts were up in arms, as if they were rooting for us and as disgusted as I was
The clock stopped correctly at 38 seconds. The EARLIEST we could have spiked was at 32 seconds. The clock only stopped for a short 8 seconds for moving the chains and our guys-not Dykes- had not had time to set up. Tate moved at 30 seconds and the clock stopped at 28 minus 10 second runoff, left us with 18 seconds for the last snap. Henderson lined up on the wrong side cost us a couple of seconds but White should have left him where he was and spiked it at 32 seconds with ball on 35 yard line.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
(10-14-2018 09:09 PM)Shooters Wrote: (10-14-2018 07:44 PM)Newton card Wrote: (10-14-2018 06:57 PM)Shooters Wrote: (10-14-2018 06:18 PM)Newton card Wrote: I’m tired of tiger fans blaming what we couldn’t control, that is/was the refs. I can’t believe more people aren’t talking about the clock management from our quarterback and coach ( espn analysts were all over it) after Dykes catch , 38 seconds left, just line up and down the ball. We should have had 2 nd and 10 on 35 yard line with over 30 seconds and the clock stopped. That is on us! No one but us. Why is that being overlooked!! Anyone on here actually ever play!?? Good grief!
Pass was caught at 41second mark. 1st down clock stoppage at 38. We snapped at 31 after getting in position. Not great not bad. Dykes should have went OOB. Then he celebrated but was non factor. Using that last TO by defense was a terrible move.
Rewatch the game, Dykes got 8xtra yards by not going out. Put us in field goal range. Clock stopped with first down to set chains. All we had to do was quickly spike it and we didn’t. All went downhill from there. As bad of on field/ clock management I’ve ever seen, in any game, at any level. Rewatch if you disagree. ESPN analysts were up in arms, as if they were rooting for us and as disgusted as I was
The clock stopped correctly at 38 seconds. The EARLIEST we could have spiked was at 32 seconds. The clock only stopped for a short 8 seconds for moving the chains and our guys-not Dykes- had not had time to set up. Tate moved at 30 seconds and the clock stopped at 28 minus 10 second runoff, left us with 18 seconds for the last snap. Henderson lined up on the wrong side cost us a couple of seconds but White should have left him where he was and spiked it at 32 seconds with ball on 35 yard line.
If you watch it again we couldn't really spike it because after the first down Dykes was celebrating and the refs got the ball spotted quick, so that meant Dykes didn't get lined up fast enough he was the last to get to the line but by that time Tate had already begun losing his balance and falling back. Just too much blame to go around, again everything thing that could go wrong did go wrong.
My question was why did we use 2 timeouts, 1 in the first half and one in the second when UCF had a 3rd down and both teams had been lined up for about half the play clock. It looked like a inbounds play late in a basketball game.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
(10-14-2018 09:09 PM)Shooters Wrote: (10-14-2018 07:44 PM)Newton card Wrote: (10-14-2018 06:57 PM)Shooters Wrote: (10-14-2018 06:18 PM)Newton card Wrote: I’m tired of tiger fans blaming what we couldn’t control, that is/was the refs. I can’t believe more people aren’t talking about the clock management from our quarterback and coach ( espn analysts were all over it) after Dykes catch , 38 seconds left, just line up and down the ball. We should have had 2 nd and 10 on 35 yard line with over 30 seconds and the clock stopped. That is on us! No one but us. Why is that being overlooked!! Anyone on here actually ever play!?? Good grief!
Pass was caught at 41second mark. 1st down clock stoppage at 38. We snapped at 31 after getting in position. Not great not bad. Dykes should have went OOB. Then he celebrated but was non factor. Using that last TO by defense was a terrible move.
Rewatch the game, Dykes got 8xtra yards by not going out. Put us in field goal range. Clock stopped with first down to set chains. All we had to do was quickly spike it and we didn’t. All went downhill from there. As bad of on field/ clock management I’ve ever seen, in any game, at any level. Rewatch if you disagree. ESPN analysts were up in arms, as if they were rooting for us and as disgusted as I was
The clock stopped correctly at 38 seconds. The EARLIEST we could have spiked was at 32 seconds. The clock only stopped for a short 8 seconds for moving the chains and our guys-not Dykes- had not had time to set up. Tate moved at 30 seconds and the clock stopped at 28 minus 10 second runoff, left us with 18 seconds for the last snap. Henderson lined up on the wrong side cost us a couple of seconds but White should have left him where he was and spiked it at 32 seconds with ball on 35 yard line.
If you watch it again we couldn't really spike it because after the first down Dykes was celebrating and the refs got the ball spotted quick, so that meant Dykes didn't get lined up fast enough he was the last to get to the line but by that time Tate had already begun losing his balance and falling back. Just too much blame to go around, again everything thing that could go wrong did go wrong.
My question was why did we use 2 timeouts, 1 in the first half and one in the second when UCF had a 3rd down and both teams had been lined up for about half the play clock. It looked like a inbounds play late in a basketball game.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
We had some tough calls and non calls, but we also made a lot of mistakes despite all that. Coaches definitely made some mistakes in play calling and management of timeouts and the clock. I think it's just the inexperience and lack of skills by several on offense, but also, i'm getting tired of seeing our defense play with 10 guys.
#22 seems like a nice kid, but he should not be on the football field. Period. Ucf looked for him and burned him several times. On some of those long plays, he is making some bone head angles which is leaving large gaps. Please watch him on the 4th and 1 that went for a touchdown and also another long run late in the 4th that got ucf to the 5 yard line.
He gives 20 yard cushions and still lets passes get behind him or he runs up to make a tackle and misses.
On most plays, he doesn't even do much. I just don't get it. When he got burned and was chasing #13 on ucf's long td pass, i said out loud he has no chance to make that tackle, because he just isn't any good. And of course, he didn't. Everyone around me in my section knows i cringe every snap he takes which is like 99% OF THE SNAPS THIS YEAR !!! Maybe by his junior or senior year, he can get some backup duty, but we need better players. We got to recruit better in the secondary and/or develop other players.
Lack of depth is a real problem if he is starting. I have no problem with the jobs done by all the other regulars in the secondary. But just like last year we got just a handful of good players. If they get hurt, we are in trouble.
I hate to say it, but i think #24 tito windam got hurt again. I could see him not playing vs missouri. He plays a lot of man coverage for us. Definitely our #2 guy behind tj carter.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
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We had some tough calls and non calls, but we also made a lot of mistakes despite all that. Coaches definitely made some mistakes in play calling and management of timeouts and the clock. I think it's just the inexperience and lack of skills by several on offense, but also, i'm getting tired of seeing our defense play with 10 guys.
#22 seems like a nice kid, but he should not be on the football field. Period. Ucf looked for him and burned him several times. On some of those long plays, he is making some bone head angles which is leaving large gaps. Please watch him on the 4th and 1 that went for a touchdown and also another long run late in the 4th that got ucf to the 5 yard line.
He gives 20 yard cushions and still lets passes get behind him or he runs up to make a tackle and misses.
On most plays, he doesn't even do much. I just don't get it. When he got burned and was chasing #13 on ucf's long td pass, i said out loud he has no chance to make that tackle, because he just isn't any good. And of course, he didn't. Everyone around me in my section knows i cringe every snap he takes which is like 99% OF THE SNAPS THIS YEAR !!! Maybe by his junior or senior year, he can get some backup duty, but we need better players. We got to recruit better in the secondary and/or develop other players.
Lack of depth is a real problem if he is starting. I have no problem with the jobs done by all the other regulars in the secondary. But just like last year we got just a handful of good players. If they get hurt, we are in trouble.
I hate to say it, but i think #24 tito windam got hurt again. I could see him not playing vs missouri. He plays a lot of man coverage for us. Definitely our #2 guy behind tj carter.
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I couldn't understand how # 22 got playing time last year. You are right on about only having 10 players on defense. He runs away from the play until another player makes contact. Since he is a starter we are really in trouble in the secondary.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
(10-15-2018 09:05 PM)tiger68 Wrote: [quote='tmoneyinmphs' pid='15583141' dateline='1539654458']
We had some tough calls and non calls, but we also made a lot of mistakes despite all that. Coaches definitely made some mistakes in play calling and management of timeouts and the clock. I think it's just the inexperience and lack of skills by several on offense, but also, i'm getting tired of seeing our defense play with 10 guys.
#22 seems like a nice kid, but he should not be on the football field. Period. Ucf looked for him and burned him several times. On some of those long plays, he is making some bone head angles which is leaving large gaps. Please watch him on the 4th and 1 that went for a touchdown and also another long run late in the 4th that got ucf to the 5 yard line.
He gives 20 yard cushions and still lets passes get behind him or he runs up to make a tackle and misses.
On most plays, he doesn't even do much. I just don't get it. When he got burned and was chasing #13 on ucf's long td pass, i said out loud he has no chance to make that tackle, because he just isn't any good. And of course, he didn't. Everyone around me in my section knows i cringe every snap he takes which is like 99% OF THE SNAPS THIS YEAR !!! Maybe by his junior or senior year, he can get some backup duty, but we need better players. We got to recruit better in the secondary and/or develop other players.
Lack of depth is a real problem if he is starting. I have no problem with the jobs done by all the other regulars in the secondary. But just like last year we got just a handful of good players. If they get hurt, we are in trouble.
I hate to say it, but i think #24 tito windam got hurt again. I could see him not playing vs missouri. He plays a lot of man coverage for us. Definitely our #2 guy behind tj carter.
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I couldn't understand how # 22 got playing time last year. You are right on about only having 10 players on defense. He runs away from the play until another player makes contact. Since he is a starter we are really in trouble in the secondary.
He only got playing time last year due to injuries. He played in the CCG because we lost two in our secondary in one or two consecutive plays (can't remember now but i know #4 went out after catching an interception out of bounds landing on his hip). Anyways, when they went out, i knew we would need 70 points to beat ucf in that game. Ucf finished with 62, but i bet if those 2 tiger players had not been injured, we could have won that game.
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
I'm drawing a blank. Who is 22?
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RE: ***Official Memphis vs UCF Game Thread*** (10/13)
#22 is Lindsey. He needs another year of time under his belt. He has good size but seems like he is still learning the position.
And yep, I agree that Windam did look like he was hurt. He was not at full speed.
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