(10-07-2018 08:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:05 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:49 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Cashed in on Troy over 36 points last week...woof. App -9 seems like easy money. Overs for them have been regular. StAte blew -4 against GoSo so they are off my cover radar for a while. I'm surprised the spread isn't higher.

We get it, App is Toledo's daddy. Doesn't mean anything about the STaTE vs stAte game in 2018. You should seek help for your gambling addiction.

You only need help if you lose. Winners let it ride

FPI has App as 76% winners. Massey composite has App at 39th compared to 76th for stAte. For comparison that's USC or Oregon vs. FAU or Arizona.

FPI is the most ridiculous predictor service on the planet and should never be used by any rational person.

The idea that anyone can be a 76 percent favorite over us in Jonesboro is laughable. We may easily lose, but I just can't buy into those numbers. Especially when it was something much closer to 50/50 until last week.

Yeah I'm no P5 boot licker but USC or Oregon ≠ APP.

(10-07-2018 08:11 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:05 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:49 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Cashed in on Troy over 36 points last week...woof. App -9 seems like easy money. Overs for them have been regular. StAte blew -4 against GoSo so they are off my cover radar for a while. I'm surprised the spread isn't higher.

We get it, App is Toledo's daddy. Doesn't mean anything about the STaTE vs stAte game in 2018. You should seek help for your gambling addiction.

You only need help if you lose. Winners let it ride

FPI has App as 76% winners. Massey composite has App at 39th compared to 76th for stAte. For comparison that's USC or Oregon vs. FAU or Arizona.

FPI is the most ridiculous predictor service on the planet and should never be used by any rational person.

The idea that anyone can be a 76 percent favorite over us in Jonesboro is laughable. We may easily lose, but I just can't buy into those numbers. Especially when it was something much closer to 50/50 until last week.

Yeah I'm no P5 boot licker but USC or Oregon ≠ APP.

App is very good, but people are getting really caught up with their early results. They played an amazing game in Happy Valley. And then beat the brains out of three teams we would expect them to beat the brains out of.

Reminds me a lot of the 2016 Troy team, who people thought was invincible as well when they played Clemson down to the wire, and then blew out their early conference opponents.

In the end, 1 game does not equal another. App's rightly favored for a reason, but they simply are not going to win every Sun Belt game by 50 points.

(10-07-2018 08:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:11 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:05 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:49 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  We get it, App is Toledo's daddy. Doesn't mean anything about the STaTE vs stAte game in 2018. You should seek help for your gambling addiction.

You only need help if you lose. Winners let it ride

FPI has App as 76% winners. Massey composite has App at 39th compared to 76th for stAte. For comparison that's USC or Oregon vs. FAU or Arizona.

FPI is the most ridiculous predictor service on the planet and should never be used by any rational person.

The idea that anyone can be a 76 percent favorite over us in Jonesboro is laughable. We may easily lose, but I just can't buy into those numbers. Especially when it was something much closer to 50/50 until last week.

Yeah I'm no P5 boot licker but USC or Oregon ≠ APP.

App is very good, but people are getting really caught up with their early results. They played an amazing game in Happy Valley. And then beat the brains out of three teams we would expect them to beat the brains out of.

Reminds me a lot of the 2016 Troy team, who people thought was invincible as well when they played Clemson down to the wire, and then blew out their early conference opponents.

In the end, 1 game does not equal another. App's rightly favored for a reason, but they simply are not going to win every Sun Belt game by 50 points.

I'm just thankful you all had us. We're enjoying our new home.. well some of us. Some think we should be AAC, ACC, SEC or Marketz..... I love the idea of a strong SB.

(10-07-2018 08:11 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:05 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:49 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Cashed in on Troy over 36 points last week...woof. App -9 seems like easy money. Overs for them have been regular. StAte blew -4 against GoSo so they are off my cover radar for a while. I'm surprised the spread isn't higher.

We get it, App is Toledo's daddy. Doesn't mean anything about the STaTE vs stAte game in 2018. You should seek help for your gambling addiction.

You only need help if you lose. Winners let it ride

FPI has App as 76% winners. Massey composite has App at 39th compared to 76th for stAte. For comparison that's USC or Oregon vs. FAU or Arizona.

FPI is the most ridiculous predictor service on the planet and should never be used by any rational person.

The idea that anyone can be a 76 percent favorite over us in Jonesboro is laughable. We may easily lose, but I just can't buy into those numbers. Especially when it was something much closer to 50/50 until last week.

Yeah I'm no P5 boot licker but USC or Oregon ≠ APP.

Massey composite is a mixture of all the ranking systems. Oregon's SOS is horrible that's why they are so low at the moment. They will trend up as their schedule gets tougher. If App can take a top 10 team to the wire they can take most teams to the wire. Still. I never made the claim that App will run the conference by 50 every week. I just expected the line to be closer to 14. Especially if stAte is about the 4th best team in the league behind Troy, App and GoSo. -9 seems low.

(10-07-2018 08:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:11 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:05 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:49 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  We get it, App is Toledo's daddy. Doesn't mean anything about the STaTE vs stAte game in 2018. You should seek help for your gambling addiction.

You only need help if you lose. Winners let it ride

FPI has App as 76% winners. Massey composite has App at 39th compared to 76th for stAte. For comparison that's USC or Oregon vs. FAU or Arizona.

FPI is the most ridiculous predictor service on the planet and should never be used by any rational person.

The idea that anyone can be a 76 percent favorite over us in Jonesboro is laughable. We may easily lose, but I just can't buy into those numbers. Especially when it was something much closer to 50/50 until last week.

Yeah I'm no P5 boot licker but USC or Oregon ≠ APP.

Massey composite is a mixture of all the ranking systems. Oregon's SOS is horrible that's why they are so low at the moment. They will trend up as their schedule gets tougher. If App can take a top 10 team to the wire they can take most teams to the wire. Still. I never made the claim that App will run the conference by 50 every week. I just expected the line to be closer to 14. Especially if stAte is about the 4th best team in the league behind Troy, App and GoSo. -9 seems low.

In what world does anyone base betting lines off of fake power rankings?

Arkansas State was picked preseason #1 in basically every poll imaginable for a reason. There's really no credible evidence to rank them 4th right now outside of losing to Southern, and even Georgia Southern fans will tell you that game was basically even throughout, neither team dominated, and if a fumble on a late 4th quarter kickoff bounces slightly differently, it probably ends with a different result.

We don't lose at home often, and unless we're playing Toledo, its never a blowout. I would expect a close game. Remember, Troy went to Jonesboro last year in a similar circumstance. 9-10 point favorites, dominating most of their league games, AState struggling, and the game turned into an absolute dog fight that came down to Brandon Silvers executing a 4th and 5 pass in the final minute.

It should be a good game. Maybe it won't. But if its not anything less than an AState win, than Blake Anderson's relationship with our fan base may be unsalvageable.

(10-07-2018 11:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:11 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:05 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  You only need help if you lose. Winners let it ride

FPI has App as 76% winners. Massey composite has App at 39th compared to 76th for stAte. For comparison that's USC or Oregon vs. FAU or Arizona.

FPI is the most ridiculous predictor service on the planet and should never be used by any rational person.

The idea that anyone can be a 76 percent favorite over us in Jonesboro is laughable. We may easily lose, but I just can't buy into those numbers. Especially when it was something much closer to 50/50 until last week.

Yeah I'm no P5 boot licker but USC or Oregon ≠ APP.

Massey composite is a mixture of all the ranking systems. Oregon's SOS is horrible that's why they are so low at the moment. They will trend up as their schedule gets tougher. If App can take a top 10 team to the wire they can take most teams to the wire. Still. I never made the claim that App will run the conference by 50 every week. I just expected the line to be closer to 14. Especially if stAte is about the 4th best team in the league behind Troy, App and GoSo. -9 seems low.

In what world does anyone base betting lines off of fake power rankings?

Arkansas State was picked preseason #1 in basically every poll imaginable for a reason. There's really no credible evidence to rank them 4th right now outside of losing to Southern, and even Georgia Southern fans will tell you that game was basically even throughout, neither team dominated, and if a fumble on a late 4th quarter kickoff bounces slightly differently, it probably ends with a different result.

We don't lose at home often, and unless we're playing Toledo, its never a blowout. I would expect a close game. Remember, Troy went to Jonesboro last year in a similar circumstance. 9-10 point favorites, dominating most of their league games, AState struggling, and the game turned into an absolute dog fight that came down to Brandon Silvers executing a 4th and 5 pass in the final minute.

It should be a good game. Maybe it won't. But if its not anything less than an AState win, than Blake Anderson's relationship with our fan base may be unsalvageable.

Fair points. The football God's will decide.

(10-07-2018 12:44 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Alabama State @ South Alabama

The Jags win a game they’re supposed to win.

Down by 7, South comes back late in the 4th quarter to win it in double OT. Jags by 3.

(10-07-2018 11:16 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 11:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:11 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  FPI is the most ridiculous predictor service on the planet and should never be used by any rational person.

The idea that anyone can be a 76 percent favorite over us in Jonesboro is laughable. We may easily lose, but I just can't buy into those numbers. Especially when it was something much closer to 50/50 until last week.

Yeah I'm no P5 boot licker but USC or Oregon ≠ APP.

Massey composite is a mixture of all the ranking systems. Oregon's SOS is horrible that's why they are so low at the moment. They will trend up as their schedule gets tougher. If App can take a top 10 team to the wire they can take most teams to the wire. Still. I never made the claim that App will run the conference by 50 every week. I just expected the line to be closer to 14. Especially if stAte is about the 4th best team in the league behind Troy, App and GoSo. -9 seems low.

In what world does anyone base betting lines off of fake power rankings?

Arkansas State was picked preseason #1 in basically every poll imaginable for a reason. There's really no credible evidence to rank them 4th right now outside of losing to Southern, and even Georgia Southern fans will tell you that game was basically even throughout, neither team dominated, and if a fumble on a late 4th quarter kickoff bounces slightly differently, it probably ends with a different result.

We don't lose at home often, and unless we're playing Toledo, its never a blowout. I would expect a close game. Remember, Troy went to Jonesboro last year in a similar circumstance. 9-10 point favorites, dominating most of their league games, AState struggling, and the game turned into an absolute dog fight that came down to Brandon Silvers executing a 4th and 5 pass in the final minute.

It should be a good game. Maybe it won't. But if its not anything less than an AState win, than Blake Anderson's relationship with our fan base may be unsalvageable.

Fair points. The football God's will decide.

Nah. AppState will decide. This game should be a business trip for AppState. Only way App Loses is if they forget to get on the plane. Too many weapons. Been watching App play football for 30 years. This team is the best we’ve ever had. They have a killer instinct. They dominate in all phases. A bad outing in my mind is a 10 point win. I expect 20+.

How can we claim this is the best App teams for "X" year four games into a season with three of those being G-Webb, CUSA trash, and likely a bottom third SBC team?

I'll reserve accolades like this for at least three more weeks.

(10-08-2018 03:48 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How can we claim this is the best App teams for "X" year four games into a season with three of those being G-Webb, CUSA trash, and likely a bottom third SBC team?

I'll reserve accolades like this for at least three more weeks.

That’s the thing about opinions, everyone has one. Like I said, been watching for more than 30 years. Our starters have played no more than a half of football in each game since PSU. What’s been good about that is that we have had a chance to see 2,3,4 string and this team has the best 2 deep we’ve ever had and the three deep looks good too. I’ve also watched a lot of SBC football this year (thanks espn Plus) there is no one on our schedule that is as complete a team as AppState. I’m not expecting a 58-7 win tomorrow, but I do see three touchdowns. We are fresh, hungry, good across the board in every phase of the game. You can wait if you want too, but I’ve seen enough for an informed opinion.

(10-08-2018 03:48 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How can we claim this is the best App teams for "X" year four games into a season with three of those being G-Webb, CUSA trash, and likely a bottom third SBC team?

I'll reserve accolades like this for at least three more weeks.

Good question. But, like the earlier poster, I too have been watching App State football for 30+ years, & this team is different. Different as in: Best Ever!

I can tell in 4 games. We never let off the gas in those 4 games. In the USA game, the third quarter was just playing a game within a game. Coach called plays not to gain yards, but to see what our QB would do with them.

This team is stacked with talent, and Coach knows how to use that talent. And, most importantly, the team plays as a team, not as a group of talented individuals.

Ark. State is in for an ol' fashioned butt-whoopin. 50 points? Maybe, maybe not. But, it will be a blow out.

(10-07-2018 08:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:05 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:49 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Cashed in on Troy over 36 points last week...woof. App -9 seems like easy money. Overs for them have been regular. StAte blew -4 against GoSo so they are off my cover radar for a while. I'm surprised the spread isn't higher.

We get it, App is Toledo's daddy. Doesn't mean anything about the STaTE vs stAte game in 2018. You should seek help for your gambling addiction.

You only need help if you lose. Winners let it ride

FPI has App as 76% winners. Massey composite has App at 39th compared to 76th for stAte. For comparison that's USC or Oregon vs. FAU or Arizona.

FPI is the most ridiculous predictor service on the planet and should never be used by any rational person.

The idea that anyone can be a 76 percent favorite over us in Jonesboro is laughable. We may easily lose, but I just can't buy into those numbers. Especially when it was something much closer to 50/50 until last week.

Georgia Southern was favored to beat Arkansas State 56% to 44% or something like that. for the most part, everyone on the board and Vegas believed that Arkansas State would win. Also, FPI showed App as around a 70% to 80% favorite all season. Not sure where you got 50/50 from.

FPI is actually fairly accurate.

(10-07-2018 11:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:11 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:05 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  You only need help if you lose. Winners let it ride

FPI has App as 76% winners. Massey composite has App at 39th compared to 76th for stAte. For comparison that's USC or Oregon vs. FAU or Arizona.

FPI is the most ridiculous predictor service on the planet and should never be used by any rational person.

The idea that anyone can be a 76 percent favorite over us in Jonesboro is laughable. We may easily lose, but I just can't buy into those numbers. Especially when it was something much closer to 50/50 until last week.

Yeah I'm no P5 boot licker but USC or Oregon ≠ APP.

Massey composite is a mixture of all the ranking systems. Oregon's SOS is horrible that's why they are so low at the moment. They will trend up as their schedule gets tougher. If App can take a top 10 team to the wire they can take most teams to the wire. Still. I never made the claim that App will run the conference by 50 every week. I just expected the line to be closer to 14. Especially if stAte is about the 4th best team in the league behind Troy, App and GoSo. -9 seems low.

In what world does anyone base betting lines off of fake power rankings?

Arkansas State was picked preseason #1 in basically every poll imaginable for a reason. There's really no credible evidence to rank them 4th right now outside of losing to Southern, and even Georgia Southern fans will tell you that game was basically even throughout, neither team dominated, and if a fumble on a late 4th quarter kickoff bounces slightly differently, it probably ends with a different result.

We don't lose at home often, and unless we're playing Toledo, its never a blowout. I would expect a close game. Remember, Troy went to Jonesboro last year in a similar circumstance. 9-10 point favorites, dominating most of their league games, AState struggling, and the game turned into an absolute dog fight that came down to Brandon Silvers executing a 4th and 5 pass in the final minute.

It should be a good game. Maybe it won't. But if its not anything less than an AState win, than Blake Anderson's relationship with our fan base may be unsalvageable.

I don't how much he beats App by I am ready for him to go. Also it makes no difference how much App beats stAte he isn't going anywhere. It's faith family and fun until we are buried.

(10-08-2018 05:56 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 11:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:11 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  FPI is the most ridiculous predictor service on the planet and should never be used by any rational person.

The idea that anyone can be a 76 percent favorite over us in Jonesboro is laughable. We may easily lose, but I just can't buy into those numbers. Especially when it was something much closer to 50/50 until last week.

Yeah I'm no P5 boot licker but USC or Oregon ≠ APP.

Massey composite is a mixture of all the ranking systems. Oregon's SOS is horrible that's why they are so low at the moment. They will trend up as their schedule gets tougher. If App can take a top 10 team to the wire they can take most teams to the wire. Still. I never made the claim that App will run the conference by 50 every week. I just expected the line to be closer to 14. Especially if stAte is about the 4th best team in the league behind Troy, App and GoSo. -9 seems low.

In what world does anyone base betting lines off of fake power rankings?

Arkansas State was picked preseason #1 in basically every poll imaginable for a reason. There's really no credible evidence to rank them 4th right now outside of losing to Southern, and even Georgia Southern fans will tell you that game was basically even throughout, neither team dominated, and if a fumble on a late 4th quarter kickoff bounces slightly differently, it probably ends with a different result.

We don't lose at home often, and unless we're playing Toledo, its never a blowout. I would expect a close game. Remember, Troy went to Jonesboro last year in a similar circumstance. 9-10 point favorites, dominating most of their league games, AState struggling, and the game turned into an absolute dog fight that came down to Brandon Silvers executing a 4th and 5 pass in the final minute.

It should be a good game. Maybe it won't. But if its not anything less than an AState win, than Blake Anderson's relationship with our fan base may be unsalvageable.

I don't how much he beats App by I am ready for him to go. Also it makes no difference how much App beats stAte he isn't going anywhere. It's faith family and fun until we are buried.

We had a guy that talked about faith, family, and fun a lot too.

(10-08-2018 06:39 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 05:56 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 11:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:11 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  Yeah I'm no P5 boot licker but USC or Oregon ≠ APP.

Massey composite is a mixture of all the ranking systems. Oregon's SOS is horrible that's why they are so low at the moment. They will trend up as their schedule gets tougher. If App can take a top 10 team to the wire they can take most teams to the wire. Still. I never made the claim that App will run the conference by 50 every week. I just expected the line to be closer to 14. Especially if stAte is about the 4th best team in the league behind Troy, App and GoSo. -9 seems low.

In what world does anyone base betting lines off of fake power rankings?

Arkansas State was picked preseason #1 in basically every poll imaginable for a reason. There's really no credible evidence to rank them 4th right now outside of losing to Southern, and even Georgia Southern fans will tell you that game was basically even throughout, neither team dominated, and if a fumble on a late 4th quarter kickoff bounces slightly differently, it probably ends with a different result.

We don't lose at home often, and unless we're playing Toledo, its never a blowout. I would expect a close game. Remember, Troy went to Jonesboro last year in a similar circumstance. 9-10 point favorites, dominating most of their league games, AState struggling, and the game turned into an absolute dog fight that came down to Brandon Silvers executing a 4th and 5 pass in the final minute.

It should be a good game. Maybe it won't. But if its not anything less than an AState win, than Blake Anderson's relationship with our fan base may be unsalvageable.

I don't how much he beats App by I am ready for him to go. Also it makes no difference how much App beats stAte he isn't going anywhere. It's faith family and fun until we are buried.

We had a guy that talked about faith, family, and fun a lot too.

We did, too. Jerry Moore. Also, some (if not all) of our modern staff.

I hope Coastal is good enough one day to have band wagon fans...

Guys I’ve been watching since the days of Settle and Dino in regards he mid-80s as well. This team is talented, but it’s four games and we’ve played one good team.

(10-09-2018 06:17 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Guys I’ve been watching since the days of Settle and Dino in regards he mid-80s as well. This team is talented, but it’s four games and we’ve played one good team.

So, you were saying? stAte didn’t even score a touchdown. The only reason App didn’t score 45+ on them is because they broke Moore’s ankle.

(10-07-2018 07:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Cashed in on Troy over 36 points last week...woof. App -9 seems like easy money. Overs for them have been regular. StAte blew -4 against GoSo so they are off my cover radar for a while. I'm surprised the spread isn't higher.

Swoosh

(10-09-2018 10:45 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 07:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Cashed in on Troy over 36 points last week...woof. App -9 seems like easy money. Overs for them have been regular. StAte blew -4 against GoSo so they are off my cover radar for a while. I'm surprised the spread isn't higher.

SWOOOSH

Swoosh

FYI, Georgia Southern is usually a pretty good bet most games. I think we’ve beat the spread in every game this year.