Correct me if I'm wrong:

The pros of this would be: elimination of redundant facilities, concentration of expenses, larger pool of student subsidies, focus on building one brand.

The cons would be: difficult for students to attend games at either campus?

(10-03-2018 02:42 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 02:41 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 02:17 PM)McKinney Wrote:  This is a genius idea. What other examples are there. UTRGV. Anything else? I honestly might support a similar situation for the UMass system.

Literally half of the schools in Georgia.

Could you give a few examples?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University...ia#History

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_...f_the_TCSG

(10-03-2018 02:42 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 02:41 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 02:17 PM)McKinney Wrote:  This is a genius idea. What other examples are there. UTRGV. Anything else? I honestly might support a similar situation for the UMass system.

Literally half of the schools in Georgia.

Could you give a few examples?

https://www.usg.edu/consolidation/

^ And those consolidated campuses share an athletics brand?

(10-03-2018 02:45 PM)McKinney Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong:

The pros of this would be: elimination of redundant facilities, concentration of expenses, larger pool of student subsidies, focus on building one brand.

The cons would be: difficult for students to attend games at either campus?

The downside is that having multiple campuses results in extra levels of administration. It can become a bureaucratic nightmare. Sure, there CAN be efficiency gains, but after a certain size there are no efficiencies to be gained by combining services.

Case in point: the University of California system and the California State system. The sheer amount of paperwork shuffling between Sacramento and each campus is an astounding waste of time and energy.

(10-03-2018 01:00 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 11:27 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 11:20 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 10:49 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  They are also changing their colors to blue and gold as well as picking a new mascot.

When my undergrad institution merged and became Case Western Reserve University, they made the mistake of completely abandoning decades of tradition. It had been the Case Rough Riders (color= Seal Brown) and the Western Reserve Redcats (color = Scarlet Red & White). The combined university made the new nickname the Spartans (yawn!). They even carbon-copied Michigan State's logo (but made it a neutral color - blue).

Awful. The result was predictable - a complete loss of alumni support, particularly from WRU alums. Shoulda been the Rough Cats, with colors of Seal Brown and Scarlet Red.

Hopefully LIU avoids that mistake. Their old mascots/colors:

LIU Post Pioneers, green and gold

LIU Brooklyn Blackbirds, silver and black

Maybe make the new nickname the Pioneer Birds? Colors are silver and gold?

It would not be politically correct but you could call them Black Pioneers, colors black and silver.


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Quick search online pointed me to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Company_of_Pioneers

Like an 18th Century equivalent to the Seabees. They were British loyalists of African heritage. Included a lot of runaway slaves. Unit was even based in NY.

JMO, that would be a pretty cool mascot.

No. The Black Company of Pioneers were Loyalists during the Revolution.

We don't honor Confederate soldiers. We shouldn't honor Loyalists either.

(10-03-2018 11:20 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 10:49 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  They are also changing their colors to blue and gold as well as picking a new mascot.

When my undergrad institution merged and became Case Western Reserve University, they made the mistake of completely abandoning decades of tradition. It had been the Case Rough Riders (color= Seal Brown) and the Western Reserve Redcats (color = Scarlet Red & White). The combined university made the new nickname the Spartans (yawn!). They even carbon-copied Michigan State's logo (but made it a neutral color - blue).

Awful. The result was predictable - a complete loss of alumni support, particularly from WRU alums. Shoulda been the Rough Cats, with colors of Seal Brown and Scarlet Red.

Hopefully LIU avoids that mistake. Their old mascots/colors:

LIU Post Pioneers, green and gold

LIU Brooklyn Blackbirds, silver and black

Maybe make the new nickname the Pioneer Birds? Colors are silver and gold?

How about the Islanders?
I would also put a unique combo colors of the 2 schools. Green and Silver or Green and Black. Don't see those color combo's very much.

(10-03-2018 04:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 02:45 PM)McKinney Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong:

The pros of this would be: elimination of redundant facilities, concentration of expenses, larger pool of student subsidies, focus on building one brand.

The cons would be: difficult for students to attend games at either campus?

The downside is that having multiple campuses results in extra levels of administration. It can become a bureaucratic nightmare. Sure, there CAN be efficiency gains, but after a certain size there are no efficiencies to be gained by combining services.

Case in point: the University of California system and the California State system. The sheer amount of paperwork shuffling between Sacramento and each campus is an astounding waste of time and energy.

The UC system office is in Oakland and the CSU system office is in Long Beach. Not much shuffling coming out of here.

Any word on the logistics of the athletic merger? Will football stay at Post with most other sports playing a majority of their games in Brooklyn?

If this goes successful A&M Corpus Christi and A&M Kingsville should use it as a blueprint, merging to form A&M Gulf Coast.

(10-03-2018 12:15 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 11:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I called it. I said that the 2 schools should merge and the Post football to FCS. NEC gain 2 football teams in a short matter of time.

I’m not surprised. Do you have a link to that post when you called it? I’d love to see how far back you did.

LIU-Post

LIU Adding Women's Ice Hockey, Saying That Post Football Going To D1

I Mentioned in the Second Post That LIU-Post's AD Mentioning Going D1

LIU-Post Unhappy

Restructering D1

LIU-Post 2

LIU Failing Would Merge With Post

LIU-Post

Summer of 2016

LIU and LIU-Post have been opened about a merger for a while. The clue about LIU-Post to FCS football was when the Brooklyn and Post athletic's website announcing they added women's hockey. I posted in that thread it was added so that LIU-Post's football would move to FCS. I saw the possible merger for 2 years now.

The Northeast Conference could part with associate members Hobart and Saint Joseph’s for men’s lacrosse. Fellow A-10 schools UMass, Richmond, and Saint Boanventure also sponsor the sport. The A-10 could then pick up Bellarmine or Air Force for its sixth lacrosse member, and then all of the SoCon, NEC, and A-10 would have six members in lacrosse.

(10-03-2018 03:11 PM)McKinney Wrote:  ^ And those consolidated campuses share an athletics brand?

Most of the mergers in Georgia involved one school being consolidated into a larger institution. When Armstrong State was folded into Georgia Southern many students at Armstrong were not happy about it. They lost their D2 athletics just to become a branch campus.

(10-03-2018 11:04 AM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  I wonder if Hofstra will consider adding football back. To have 3 FCS programs on Long Island would be huge. Congrats to LIU!

I’m surprised Hofstra didn’t look into the Pioneer League before. It’s non-scholarship.

(10-03-2018 11:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I called it. I said that the 2 schools should merge and the Post football to FCS. NEC gain 2 football teams in a short matter of time.

When you call every D2 moving up some do hit. A broken class Cj is correct twice a day.


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(10-03-2018 04:53 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 04:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 02:45 PM)McKinney Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong:

The pros of this would be: elimination of redundant facilities, concentration of expenses, larger pool of student subsidies, focus on building one brand.

The cons would be: difficult for students to attend games at either campus?

The downside is that having multiple campuses results in extra levels of administration. It can become a bureaucratic nightmare. Sure, there CAN be efficiency gains, but after a certain size there are no efficiencies to be gained by combining services.

Case in point: the University of California system and the California State system. The sheer amount of paperwork shuffling between Sacramento and each campus is an astounding waste of time and energy.

The UC system office is in Oakland and the CSU system office is in Long Beach. Not much shuffling coming out of here.

Ahh, now I understand why the rivalry exists between UCal system & the Cal State system.

(10-03-2018 04:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:15 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 11:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I called it. I said that the 2 schools should merge and the Post football to FCS. NEC gain 2 football teams in a short matter of time.

I’m not surprised. Do you have a link to that post when you called it? I’d love to see how far back you did.

LIU-Post

LIU Adding Women's Ice Hockey, Saying That Post Football Going To D1

I Mentioned in the Second Post That LIU-Post's AD Mentioning Going D1

LIU-Post Unhappy

Restructering D1

LIU-Post 2

LIU Failing Would Merge With Post

LIU-Post

Summer of 2016

LIU and LIU-Post have been opened about a merger for a while. The clue about LIU-Post to FCS football was when the Brooklyn and Post athletic's website announcing they added women's hockey. I posted in that thread it was added so that LIU-Post's football would move to FCS. I saw the possible merger for 2 years now.

Well, this is appropriate. A long list of links to posts of long lists of every school in the country moving to D1 and whatever else the topic is supposed to be about. Also going to point out that it was in this thread, LIU Adding Women's Ice Hockey, Saying That Post Football Going To D1,
where David was claiming there was no D2 Ice Hockey.

(10-03-2018 06:19 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 11:04 AM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  I wonder if Hofstra will consider adding football back. To have 3 FCS programs on Long Island would be huge. Congrats to LIU!

I’m surprised Hofstra didn’t look into the Pioneer League before. It’s non-scholarship.

Hofstra was trying to get an A-10 invite. At the time they pulled this move, there was speculation that the A-10 wanted to replace Fordham with another New York area school. It disbanded football in an attempt to redirect re$ource$ and show the A-10 that it was all in for basketball.

Teams that will compete in Brooklyn are: Basketball (Men’s and Women’s), Bowling (Women’s), Fencing (Women’s), Ice Hockey (Women’s), Softball, Swimming (Women’s), Track & Field (Men’s and Women’s), Volleyball (Women’s), and Water Polo (Women’s).
Teams that will compete at Post are: Baseball, Cross Country (Men’s and Women’s), Equestrian, Field Hockey, Football, Golf (Men’s and Women’s), Lacrosse (Men’s and Women’s), Rowing (Women’s), Rugby (Women’s), Soccer (Men’s and Women’s), Tennis (Women’s), and Wrestling.

Looks like most of the indoor sports will be located in Brooklyn and most of the outdoor sports will be at Post.

Maybe they should be known as the Hornets as an homage to the legendary Clair Bee.