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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 02:54 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Not that I can recall. We seem to be using it as a fake only. Even though in the last couple of games they have the man in motion fake receiving a handoff, run past, turn around and then I think the RB got the ball twice on the return against EMU.

Thanks for confirming. And now my point:

Would we all agree that it's not much of a "fake" if you don't actually give it to the man in motion say, oh I don't know, maybe at least ONCE a game. Or SEASON for that matter.

I know we don't/can't fire coaches for being inept, but can we at least DEMOTE Coach U and have someone else be OC?

Seriously, there's better plays drawn up at your local neighborhood park on Thanksgiving morning than what we've seen this season.

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10-01-2018 03:57 PM
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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 12:51 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  
(09-30-2018 09:52 PM)Djud Wrote:  I will try to give you the same football lesson as I did a few weeks ago when you made the ridiculous statement that crossing patterns don’t work against a zone D...as if all zone defenses are the same.

You made the comment that Harbisom’s carries were all the same play. My point is unlike yesteryear’s offenses, there is no 43 lead (4 back following the fullback through the 3 hole) with this offense. This offense gives the back the opportunity, when given the ball, to read the OLine’s zone blocking scheme. It is the same play, but with the freedom given to the RB to pick a hole based on what he sees. Harbs was likely seeing the same hole open up so that’s why 1 play with different options appears like the same play. And, yes, the QB can pull the handoff at any time he sees an opening. Simple fact, no debate.

This offense feels similar to the Michael Turner days of old: two tight ends, one back, pick a hole and let 'er rip. Nothing wrong with it. It works if you have a guy like Harbison who gets yards after contact. I do have an issue when they try to run those plays with Nettles. It seems like it would be much better to try to get him in space. His big play ability is untapped as of yet.


I agree; correct play design to fit the strengths of Harbs and Nettles.
10-01-2018 04:04 PM
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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 03:57 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 02:54 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Not that I can recall. We seem to be using it as a fake only. Even though in the last couple of games they have the man in motion fake receiving a handoff, run past, turn around and then I think the RB got the ball twice on the return against EMU.

Thanks for confirming. And now my point:

Would we all agree that it's not much of a "fake" if you don't actually give it to the man in motion say, oh I don't know, maybe at least ONCE a game. Or SEASON for that matter.

I know we don't/can't fire coaches for being inept, but can we at least DEMOTE Coach U and have someone else be OC?

Seriously, there's better plays drawn up at your local neighborhood park on Thanksgiving morning than what we've seen this season.

#demotecoachu

Serious question as I do not know ... Do we have anyone with enough speed on this team to run an effective jet sweep?

If not, I agree that they should probably remove that play from their arsenal. Teams watch film and they will know to not fall for the window dressing.
10-01-2018 04:10 PM
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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 04:10 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 03:57 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 02:54 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Not that I can recall. We seem to be using it as a fake only. Even though in the last couple of games they have the man in motion fake receiving a handoff, run past, turn around and then I think the RB got the ball twice on the return against EMU.

Thanks for confirming. And now my point:

Would we all agree that it's not much of a "fake" if you don't actually give it to the man in motion say, oh I don't know, maybe at least ONCE a game. Or SEASON for that matter.

I know we don't/can't fire coaches for being inept, but can we at least DEMOTE Coach U and have someone else be OC?

Seriously, there's better plays drawn up at your local neighborhood park on Thanksgiving morning than what we've seen this season.

#demotecoachu

Serious question as I do not know ... Do we have anyone with enough speed on this team to run an effective jet sweep?

If not, I agree that they should probably remove that play from their arsenal. Teams watch film and they will know to not fall for the window dressing.

Fair question.

Without me having "timed" these guys...eyeballs only....I think Wesley or DJ Brown can't be that far off Akeem Daniels speed back in the day.
10-01-2018 04:18 PM
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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 07:38 AM)Djud Wrote:  
(09-30-2018 10:07 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Let me give you a football lesson. In the west coast offense the option route for the crossing route against a man is stopping before you cross into another zone if the defense switches to a zone.
This very confusing comment is a great example of my lack of football knowledge point.
What is the zone? Is it 2 deep; 3 deep; quarters, Nickle? Are the corners pressing then backing off? There are all types of situations which make your “play” effective or ineffective. You made a senseless comment that you don’t beat zone defenses with crossing routes; this is simply wrong. A zone is typically beat by forcing one defender, who is defending a specific area of the field, to cover multiple routes in his zone of responsibility. This is achieved in a multiple of ways. One of the most effective ways is a running a seam and a cross route in the same zone. The defender has to choose on route allowing the other receiver to be open. It could also be two of the same patterns (i.e. out routes; one over, one under) in the same zone. NIUs “go to”” play is a great example of using a crossing route to beat a zone; that play has the QB rolling out right, the zone to the QBs left is cleared with deep and crossing routes, then the right TE crosses the field to the vacated zone for a QB throw back. You’re welcome for the free football lesson.

You’ve got to be kidding me, right? This offensive staff must get advice from you. No offensive coordinator in his right mind would run a crossing route into a zone vacated by a seam route. I’ll let figure out why. Actually you better ask someone who know anything about offenses. 03-lmfao
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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 03:57 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 02:54 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Not that I can recall. We seem to be using it as a fake only. Even though in the last couple of games they have the man in motion fake receiving a handoff, run past, turn around and then I think the RB got the ball twice on the return against EMU.

Thanks for confirming. And now my point:

Would we all agree that it's not much of a "fake" if you don't actually give it to the man in motion say, oh I don't know, maybe at least ONCE a game. Or SEASON for that matter.

I know we don't/can't fire coaches for being inept, but can we at least DEMOTE Coach U and have someone else be OC?

Seriously, there's better plays drawn up at your local neighborhood park on Thanksgiving morning than what we've seen this season.

#demotecoachu
I'm no qb but isn't it the QB's job to decide if his jet sweeper has an advantage in order to handoff? Then the next option is the tailback (i think the QB reads the DE) and final the QB runs or throws. This is an NIU staple.

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10-01-2018 05:48 PM
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RE: EMU Game Observations
Actually I do remember crossing routes under a seam but it’s always the last option and only after and if the defender squats in his zone and does not engage the route.
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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 05:48 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 03:57 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 02:54 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Not that I can recall. We seem to be using it as a fake only. Even though in the last couple of games they have the man in motion fake receiving a handoff, run past, turn around and then I think the RB got the ball twice on the return against EMU.

Thanks for confirming. And now my point:

Would we all agree that it's not much of a "fake" if you don't actually give it to the man in motion say, oh I don't know, maybe at least ONCE a game. Or SEASON for that matter.

I know we don't/can't fire coaches for being inept, but can we at least DEMOTE Coach U and have someone else be OC?

Seriously, there's better plays drawn up at your local neighborhood park on Thanksgiving morning than what we've seen this season.

#demotecoachu
I'm no qb but isn't it the QB's job to decide if his jet sweeper has an advantage in order to handoff? Then the next option is the tailback (i think the QB reads the DE) and final the QB runs or throws. This is an NIU staple.

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Maybe....but my overall point is you’ve got to try the sweep to keep the defensive contain honest. Which hopefully loosens up the middle.
10-01-2018 06:25 PM
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RE: EMU Game Observations
Antonio Jones-Davis (13 tackles, 2 QB sacks, 3.5 tackles for loss, broke up 2 passes, and recovered a fumble against EMU) was named the MAC West Division Player of the Week.
https://niuhuskies.com/news/2018/10/1/fo...honor.aspx

Congrats Antonio and well-deserved!
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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 06:49 PM)NILAW Wrote:  Antonio Jones-Davis (13 tackles, 2 QB sacks, 3.5 tackles for loss, broke up 2 passes, and recovered a fumble against EMU) was named the MAC West Division Player of the Week.
https://niuhuskies.com/news/2018/10/1/fo...honor.aspx

Congrats Antonio and well-deserved!

He has to be the biggest surprise of the year for the Huskies
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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 06:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 06:49 PM)NILAW Wrote:  Antonio Jones-Davis (13 tackles, 2 QB sacks, 3.5 tackles for loss, broke up 2 passes, and recovered a fumble against EMU) was named the MAC West Division Player of the Week.
https://niuhuskies.com/news/2018/10/1/fo...honor.aspx

Congrats Antonio and well-deserved!

He has to be the biggest surprise of the year for the Huskies
He was given an opportunity when JJ left for TCU. Looks like he took full advantage of it.

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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 07:16 PM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 06:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 06:49 PM)NILAW Wrote:  Antonio Jones-Davis (13 tackles, 2 QB sacks, 3.5 tackles for loss, broke up 2 passes, and recovered a fumble against EMU) was named the MAC West Division Player of the Week.
https://niuhuskies.com/news/2018/10/1/fo...honor.aspx

Congrats Antonio and well-deserved!

He has to be the biggest surprise of the year for the Huskies
He was given an opportunity when JJ left for TCU. Looks like he took full advantage of it.

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AJD is playing lights out. So was JJ last year. It’s almost as if they have an All- American in front of them opening things up or something? I mentioned JJ might miss having Smith in front of him down in Texas.

For real though, Davis is a huge playmaker right now and a great surprise.
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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-01-2018 06:49 PM)NILAW Wrote:  Antonio Jones-Davis (13 tackles, 2 QB sacks, 3.5 tackles for loss, broke up 2 passes, and recovered a fumble against EMU) was named the MAC West Division Player of the Week.
https://niuhuskies.com/news/2018/10/1/fo...honor.aspx

Congrats Antonio and well-deserved!

Vero Beach played well the entire game but he was the difference late in the game along with Harbs. It's good to see Jones-Davis succeeding, especially after Charlie Miller, another VB recruit, left the program. He would've been another good one...
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RE: EMU Game Observations
(10-03-2018 07:32 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  
(10-01-2018 06:49 PM)NILAW Wrote:  Antonio Jones-Davis (13 tackles, 2 QB sacks, 3.5 tackles for loss, broke up 2 passes, and recovered a fumble against EMU) was named the MAC West Division Player of the Week.
https://niuhuskies.com/news/2018/10/1/fo...honor.aspx

Congrats Antonio and well-deserved!

Vero Beach played well the entire game but he was the difference late in the game along with Harbs. It's good to see Jones-Davis succeeding, especially after Charlie Miller, another VB recruit, left the program. He would've been another good one...
Did Charlie Millet ever do anything where ever he ended up?
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The last I heard a couple years ago he was playing basketball at a school I haven't heard of before. Must have graduated by now but I can ask some of his former coaches what he's up to.
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RE: EMU Game Observations
EMU was our biggest offensive output of the year. And we won despite a turnover deficit of -2. Still more improvement needed by the offense but they did have +7 minute time of possession advantage which allows the D to be fresher.

Looking for our best offensive output of the year again this week, with more contributions from Brinkman, Tears, and Robinson. And our third conference game with 200 yards on the ground keeping that time of possession up. And winning the turnover battle.
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