and here we go again...MODS Please close this thread.

(10-14-2018 08:45 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  and here we go again...MODS Please close this thread.

I really don't have a dog in this fight but the obvious is:
1) a great win for the Liberty program
2) a bad loss for the Troy program
3) their are many variables that allowed this to happen (i.e. injuries, poor execution on one side and better execution and game planning on the other side, home team advantage, etc.) but in the end it's college football and that's why we play the game....because anything can happen on a random Saturday.
4) Now...it's back to the drawing board for both teams to prepare for their next respective opponents
5) Lastly, a bad loss or good win is only a one week thing in college football...the world hasn't come to an end or miraculously arisen like Jesus....judge each respective program at the end of the year on the total body of work (a full season).

(10-13-2018 08:18 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  With all due respect to everyone here, when looking at investment and expenditures, Liberty SHOULD beat Troy...anything less would be a gross misuse of said resources. Liberty spends 45 million a year on athletics...Troy 30? 32? Turner Gill makes 950 a year...Brown 810? IF you’re betting paid more than the coach across the field from you...you should win. Earn your higher salary.

The idea around these parts that a loss to Liberty is a horrible loss...that thinking should be put to rest. Losing to a school that spends 15 million more a year on athletics with the facilities to match shouldn’t be considered a horrible loss. It is what it is. Now Texas losing to Maryland.... 215 million vs 80 some....thats a horrible loss.

Rutgers gets money from the Big Ten TV contract that's bigger than the entire athletics budget of many G5 teams, and they might finish 4th in the SBC overall. Same thing goes for programs like Charlotte and UTEP...their revenue numbers look nice on the USA today reports, but haven't produced results. Having money doesn't automatically make you good.

I'll say it again and it might miff some people here, but the biggest myth about transitioning from FCS to FBS is that you somehow get a "blank slate" and nothing you did in FCS is relevant. By and large, you can predict what a team will do in FBS by looking at what they did in FCS. That doesn't mean a program can't better themselves for sure, but right now you resemble a team that has one FCS playoff win in the entire history of their program. You didn't even keep it close against Army and North Texas, and you beat Troy basically not having an adequate QB.

(10-14-2018 11:56 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  the biggest myth about transitioning from FCS to FBS is that you somehow get a "blank slate" and nothing you did in FCS is relevant.

It's absolutely relevant. Not in terms of the athletes you have. Those should improve as you transition but what's huge is culture, history, fan support, engagement, athletic donations, etc. A winning culture and a fan base that refuses to accept mediocrity (ala what GS is doing right now) will always propel you into FBS.

(10-14-2018 11:56 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 08:18 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  With all due respect to everyone here, when looking at investment and expenditures, Liberty SHOULD beat Troy...anything less would be a gross misuse of said resources. Liberty spends 45 million a year on athletics...Troy 30? 32? Turner Gill makes 950 a year...Brown 810? IF you’re betting paid more than the coach across the field from you...you should win. Earn your higher salary.

The idea around these parts that a loss to Liberty is a horrible loss...that thinking should be put to rest. Losing to a school that spends 15 million more a year on athletics with the facilities to match shouldn’t be considered a horrible loss. It is what it is. Now Texas losing to Maryland.... 215 million vs 80 some....thats a horrible loss.

Rutgers gets money from the Big Ten TV contract that's bigger than the entire athletics budget of many G5 teams, and they might finish 4th in the SBC overall. Same thing goes for programs like Charlotte and UTEP...their revenue numbers look nice on the USA today reports, but haven't produced results. Having money doesn't automatically make you good.

I'll say it again and it might miff some people here, but the biggest myth about transitioning from FCS to FBS is that you somehow get a "blank slate" and nothing you did in FCS is relevant. By and large, you can predict what a team will do in FBS by looking at what they did in FCS. That doesn't mean a program can't better themselves for sure, but right now you resemble a team that has one FCS playoff win in the entire history of their program. You didn't even keep it close against Army and North Texas, and you beat Troy basically not having an adequate QB.

Our beast receiver out (replaced by a freshman), our #1 running back out and our outstanding FG kicker out (replaced by a walkon). We don't have to make excuses because we gutted out the W. But I have to admit, had we suffered our first ever loss to a SB team I would have used all of them.

(10-14-2018 12:17 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 11:56 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 08:18 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  With all due respect to everyone here, when looking at investment and expenditures, Liberty SHOULD beat Troy...anything less would be a gross misuse of said resources. Liberty spends 45 million a year on athletics...Troy 30? 32? Turner Gill makes 950 a year...Brown 810? IF you’re betting paid more than the coach across the field from you...you should win. Earn your higher salary.

The idea around these parts that a loss to Liberty is a horrible loss...that thinking should be put to rest. Losing to a school that spends 15 million more a year on athletics with the facilities to match shouldn’t be considered a horrible loss. It is what it is. Now Texas losing to Maryland.... 215 million vs 80 some....thats a horrible loss.

Rutgers gets money from the Big Ten TV contract that's bigger than the entire athletics budget of many G5 teams, and they might finish 4th in the SBC overall. Same thing goes for programs like Charlotte and UTEP...their revenue numbers look nice on the USA today reports, but haven't produced results. Having money doesn't automatically make you good.

I'll say it again and it might miff some people here, but the biggest myth about transitioning from FCS to FBS is that you somehow get a "blank slate" and nothing you did in FCS is relevant. By and large, you can predict what a team will do in FBS by looking at what they did in FCS. That doesn't mean a program can't better themselves for sure, but right now you resemble a team that has one FCS playoff win in the entire history of their program. You didn't even keep it close against Army and North Texas, and you beat Troy basically not having an adequate QB.

Our beast receiver out (replaced by a freshman), our #1 running back out and our outstanding FG kicker out (replaced by a walkon). We don't have to make excuses because we gutted out the W. But I have to admit, had we suffered our first ever loss to a SB team I would have used all of them.

First ever loss to a sun belt team? Are you forgetting the ass beating that we laid on you guys last time we played?

What was that score?

(10-14-2018 12:46 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 12:17 PM) Fan Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 11:56 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 08:18 PM)Campaign4 Wrote:  With all due respect to everyone here, when looking at investment and expenditures, SHOULD beat Troy...anything less would be a gross misuse of said resources. spends 45 million a year on athletics...Troy 30? 32? Turner Gill makes 950 a year...Brown 810? IF you’re betting paid more than the coach across the field from you...you should win. Earn your higher salary.

The idea around these parts that a loss to is a horrible loss...that thinking should be put to rest. Losing to a school that spends 15 million more a year on athletics with the facilities to match shouldn’t be considered a horrible loss. It is what it is. Now Texas losing to Maryland.... 215 million vs 80 some....thats a horrible loss.

Rutgers gets money from the Big Ten TV contract that's bigger than the entire athletics budget of many G5 teams, and they might finish 4th in the SBC overall. Same thing goes for programs like Charlotte and UTEP...their revenue numbers look nice on the USA today reports, but haven't produced results. Having money doesn't automatically make you good.

I'll say it again and it might miff some people here, but the biggest myth about transitioning from FCS to FBS is that you somehow get a "blank slate" and nothing you did in FCS is relevant. By and large, you can predict what a team will do in FBS by looking at what they did in FCS. That doesn't mean a program can't better themselves for sure, but right now you resemble a team that has one FCS playoff win in the entire history of their program. You didn't even keep it close against Army and North Texas, and you beat Troy basically not having an adequate QB.

Our beast receiver out (replaced by a freshman), our #1 running back out and our outstanding FG kicker out (replaced by a walkon). We don't have to make excuses because we gutted out the W. But I have to admit, had we suffered our first ever loss to a SB team I would have used all of them.

First ever loss to a sun belt team? Are you forgetting the ass beating that we laid on you guys last time we played?

What was that score?

In an earlier post I gave you credit, but I thought you were still classified FCS that year. You could be right, and it was ugly farewell gift to us.

https://goccusports.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=69