(09-29-2018 09:50 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-29-2018 07:20 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I think some people here need to realize that lots and lots of guys on the team are not division one level scholarship players.

And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Can’t say I’m thrilled with the runs up the middle either but hey coaching is tougher than it looks and I’m willing to reserve judgement until Coach Bloomgren gets his guys in here.

Yes, but we knew this years ago. The realization and onus should go back to those responsible, not entirely on those tying to pick up and fix it.

Three win season at best.

(09-29-2018 09:20 PM)WoodlandsOwl Wrote:  

(09-29-2018 05:36 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  I think more beer is a good solution here.

Last Christmas I gave you my heart
The very next day you gave it away
This year, to save me some BEER
I’ll drink with someone special

Just a matter of time before Southern Star Brewery comes up with a
"Kavanaugh Devils Triangle Stout"

I was going to make a comment about brewskis at Timmy's house with Timmy and Squi, but I passed.

Per rice owls.com

"Rice came out strong in the second half, but it was too late as Wake Forest opened the game with 28 straight points to defeat the Owls, 56-24."

I'm not sure if this is delusional or intentionally misleading. On what planet does someone lead into a statement or conversation with the second half performance after the game is effectively over? Nor was it ever even remotely close - this article sounds like we were down at the half, mounted a comeback and fell short.. which is the #fakenews version of us scoring second half points after the game was over.

Why does Rice have such a hard time facing reality and calling a frikin spade a spade?

Much easier to mount a roaring comeback against the guys who never play, and may never play again this season at WF. I guess selective reporting isnt limited to HuffPo, Vox, and The Daily Caller.

I hate the Fake News as much as you but there’s enough bad stuff in this thread to not need politics talk to infect it more.

(09-29-2018 04:49 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-29-2018 04:47 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(09-29-2018 04:44 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Stank pick 6.

Pray tell, why is he still playing?

That pick 6 wasn’t on Stnakavage.

Tremmel (sp?) caught it and then bobbled it behind his back into the DB’s hands.

The broader questions stands. Why exactly are we playing a guy with a < 0.500 completion rate, less than 100 yards when the game is out of hand.

Sit him, let's try a freshman. Less than 4 games is not RS burning. So why not

Green(Freshman) traveled but was not dressed out. Marshman(R-Freshman) on sidelines. Tyner on the sidelines...Seems playing time for all player is earned during the week. Not sure how good/bad the backups are but for another QB not to get some valuable reps is tough to understand. By half time or shortly after QB would have been playing against 2nd/3rd string...Its all about adjustments and player confidence??

(09-30-2018 12:42 AM)Antarius Wrote:  Per rice owls.com

"Rice came out strong in the second half, but it was too late as Wake Forest opened the game with 28 straight points to defeat the Owls, 56-24."

I'm not sure if this is delusional or intentionally misleading. On what planet does someone lead into a statement or conversation with the second half performance after the game is effectively over? Nor was it ever even remotely close - this article sounds like we were down at the half, mounted a comeback and fell short.. which is the #fakenews version of us scoring second half points after the game was over.

Why does Rice have such a hard time facing reality and calling a frikin spade a spade?

Because RiceOwls.com is not an independent media output, and their responsibility is to promote the program, not provide an impartial report. The role of the SID in particular is to provide relevant information to media outlets, but that is a role where they have to walk the line between credibility and promotion, but their responsibility is weighed towards the latter.

(09-30-2018 12:49 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Much easier to mount a roaring comeback against the guys who never play, and may never play again this season at WF. I guess selective reporting isnt limited to HuffPo, Vox, and The Daily Caller.

That's not even a valid analogy... it would be more like the White House Press officer (for any presidency) or even the difference between a prosecutor (or defense attorney) and crime reporter.

(09-30-2018 12:19 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 12:42 AM)Antarius Wrote:  Per rice owls.com

"Rice came out strong in the second half, but it was too late as Wake Forest opened the game with 28 straight points to defeat the Owls, 56-24."

I'm not sure if this is delusional or intentionally misleading. On what planet does someone lead into a statement or conversation with the second half performance after the game is effectively over? Nor was it ever even remotely close - this article sounds like we were down at the half, mounted a comeback and fell short.. which is the #fakenews version of us scoring second half points after the game was over.

Why does Rice have such a hard time facing reality and calling a frikin spade a spade?

Because RiceOwls.com is not an independent media output, and their responsibility is to promote the program, not provide an impartial report. The role of the SID in particular is to provide relevant information to media outlets, but that is a role where they have to walk the line between credibility and promotion, but their responsibility is weighed towards the latter.

You can promote the program in a way that doesn't axe any credibility you have with the readers. riceowls.com reads like an Onion parody of what actually happens - who exactly is this benefiting?

Is stating it as it is really that much worse?
"Owls fall 56-24 on the road. Wake Forest opened up an insurmountable lead by scoring 42 first half points" or something to this ilk?

(09-30-2018 12:32 PM)Antarius Wrote:  You can promote the program in a way that doesn't axe any credibility you have with the readers. riceowls.com reads like an Onion parody of what actually happens - who exactly is this benefiting?
Is stating it as it is really that much worse?
"Owls fall 56-24 on the road. Wake Forest opened up an insurmountable lead by scoring 42 first half points" or something to this ilk?

Again, where credibility matters in this case is the relationship between the SID and media. If what's on Riceowls.com is what is sent out to the media, then relevant editors know full well what information they should use in a story, and know they can filter out the rah, rah stuff.

I remember an interview with a boxing announcer several years ago. There was a dog of a fight, the fans weren't into it, someone in the stands screamed out "I bet their bleeding to death on the radio".

The bottom line is that if you don't know what perspective a source of information is coming from, it does not provide you much value. If you do know that perspective, then it has to inform your consumption of that information.

In essence, you have plenty to complain about, and the scoreline is the bottom line. Complaining about the story on Riceowls.com just serves to make whatever substantial complaints that you have be lost ...

(09-29-2018 05:21 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Definitely NBA. I remember listening to the game too, and he was going for the league scoring title. I thought he hit 70.
But did not get the title as the other guy knocked down over 50 later that night.

This is a pretty good read. I never could remember who his competition for the scoring lead was - I thought the Jazz were involved and that it was Kelly Tripuka, but it was George Gervin of the Spurs. Thompson had 53 at halftime and finished with 73. It's funny that both players scored 53 in the first half, finished with 73 and 63 points, and both of their teams lost. with 560 cumulative points in the two games (average of 140 points per team).

Top Moments: George Gervin, David Thompson battle for 1978 scoring title | NBA.com

Top Moments: George Gervin, David Thompson battle for 1978 scoring title | NBA.com Wrote:The Pistons scored 10 straight points in the fourth quarter to take a commanding 121-112 lead, and then they held off a late Nuggets surge to win the game, 139-137. I scored on a three-point play in the final minute, but it wasn't enough.

I finished with 73 points -- the third highest total ever, the most ever by a guard, and the second most in a non-overtime game. The Big Dipper -- Chamberlain -- scored the 100 in 1962, of course, then amassed 78 in a 1961 triple overtime contest and hit for 73 twice in 1962. Of course, Wilt was also 7-foot-1. I was a mere mortal at 6-4. My final line for the game: 28-38 from the field, 17-20 from the free-throw line, seven rebounds, and I played 43 out of 48 minutes. When I came out for those five minutes, my teammates treated me like the way baseball players treat pitchers throwing a no-hitter late in the game -- they wouldn't talk to me. They wouldn't even sit near me, fearing some sort of basketball voodoo jinx.

Here's some food for thought: It has been speculated that had I had the benefit of today's three-point line, my total would have been in the high 80s.

I caught the game early into the second quarter, and by halftime Gervin had fired in 53 points. I knew then that my 73 had been in vain. George scored 63 points on 23 of 49 shots from the floor and ended up winning the scoring title in the closest race in NBA history, 27.22 to 27.15.

George's 63 points that night in New Orleans meant that I had only held the scoring lead for about seven hours. Gervin's Spurs lost, 152-132, but George had already broken my mark for most points in a quarter with 33 in the second frame. That has to be a record in itself. It took me 16 years to break Wilt's mark, but it only took Gervin seven hours to break mine.

(09-30-2018 12:32 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 12:19 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 12:42 AM)Antarius Wrote:  Per rice owls.com

"Rice came out strong in the second half, but it was too late as Wake Forest opened the game with 28 straight points to defeat the Owls, 56-24."

I'm not sure if this is delusional or intentionally misleading. On what planet does someone lead into a statement or conversation with the second half performance after the game is effectively over? Nor was it ever even remotely close - this article sounds like we were down at the half, mounted a comeback and fell short.. which is the #fakenews version of us scoring second half points after the game was over.

Why does Rice have such a hard time facing reality and calling a frikin spade a spade?

Because RiceOwls.com is not an independent media output, and their responsibility is to promote the program, not provide an impartial report. The role of the SID in particular is to provide relevant information to media outlets, but that is a role where they have to walk the line between credibility and promotion, but their responsibility is weighed towards the latter.

You can promote the program in a way that doesn't axe any credibility you have with the readers. riceowls.com reads like an Onion parody of what actually happens - who exactly is this benefiting?

Is stating it as it is really that much worse?
"Owls fall 56-24 on the road. Wake Forest opened up an insurmountable lead by scoring 42 first half points" or something to this ilk?

c'mon ant

We all know the game was not good and trying to find silver linings is sometimes a challenge... and that is the position. I understand what you're saying, but this (riceowls.com) isn't the place for tough love

Unless your name is MK Bower. I absolutely love his writing and reporting but his tell-it-like-it-is style felt uncomfortable to me when I was reading it on RiceOwls.com

For all the reasons mentioned above.

(09-30-2018 01:10 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 12:32 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 12:19 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 12:42 AM)Antarius Wrote:  Per rice owls.com

"Rice came out strong in the second half, but it was too late as Wake Forest opened the game with 28 straight points to defeat the Owls, 56-24."

I'm not sure if this is delusional or intentionally misleading. On what planet does someone lead into a statement or conversation with the second half performance after the game is effectively over? Nor was it ever even remotely close - this article sounds like we were down at the half, mounted a comeback and fell short.. which is the #fakenews version of us scoring second half points after the game was over.

Why does Rice have such a hard time facing reality and calling a frikin spade a spade?

Because RiceOwls.com is not an independent media output, and their responsibility is to promote the program, not provide an impartial report. The role of the SID in particular is to provide relevant information to media outlets, but that is a role where they have to walk the line between credibility and promotion, but their responsibility is weighed towards the latter.

You can promote the program in a way that doesn't axe any credibility you have with the readers. riceowls.com reads like an Onion parody of what actually happens - who exactly is this benefiting?

Is stating it as it is really that much worse?
"Owls fall 56-24 on the road. Wake Forest opened up an insurmountable lead by scoring 42 first half points" or something to this ilk?

c'mon ant

We all know the game was not good and trying to find silver linings is sometimes a challenge... and that is the position. I understand what you're saying, but this (riceowls.com) isn't the place for tough love

I'm not advocating for tough love. I'm not expecting riceowls.com to say "Rice unprepared to play, finds themselves down 39 points at the half against mediocre ACC team"

There is a middle ground between the above and the happy-go-lucky stuff we currently have posted. Just a more grounded-in-fact approach. WF had a big first half on the back of testing our pass defense and Rice was unable to come back. What we have on riceowls is misleading. It completely distorts the timeline of the game flow. We can be reasonable, realistic without throwing the team under the bus... and without being misleading. That's my issue with it.

(09-30-2018 12:54 PM)I45owl Wrote:  In essence, you have plenty to complain about, and the scoreline is the bottom line. Complaining about the story on Riceowls.com just serves to make whatever substantial complaints that you have be lost ...

The scoreline and our performance is definitely the bigger issue. But that doesn't mean the absurd sugar coating isn't a problem as well.

This is the type of reporting that guides people into believing things like "unprecedented success".It helps no one.

(09-30-2018 01:48 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Unless your name is MK Bower. I absolutely love his writing and reporting but his tell-it-like-it-is style felt uncomfortable to me when I was reading it on RiceOwls.com

For all the reasons mentioned above.

That was definitely an outlier in my experience. He was in an almost impossible position where he was not someone that had "toe the party line" in his character or his resume, but his position was in charge of the party line. That was kind of a unique point in history, and a worthy experiment that ultimately and unfortunately didn't work out. I miss his coverage of Rice athletics...

The shameful part to me is that I can't find a box score for this game on Riceowls.com on Sunday. The box score is available live ... there's no good reason that it would not be available on riceowls.com immediately afterwards, much less a day afterwards.

(09-30-2018 03:00 PM)I45owl Wrote:  The shameful part to me is that I can't find a box score for this game on Riceowls.com on Sunday. The box score is available live ... there's no good reason that it would not be available on riceowls.com immediately afterwards, much less a day afterwards.

Espn app, has everything you need

(09-30-2018 04:57 PM)ATXowl Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 03:00 PM)I45owl Wrote:  The shameful part to me is that I can't find a box score for this game on Riceowls.com on Sunday. The box score is available live ... there's no good reason that it would not be available on riceowls.com immediately afterwards, much less a day afterwards.

Espn app, has everything you need

In this case, Rice should be the source of the information. In years past, it would go up with the game story.

https://swcroundup.com/news/2018/9/30/qb...hru-week-5

QB grade through week 5