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RE: Regression, the fan base, and who is to "blame"
(10-09-2018 06:19 PM)Red Dog Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 12:22 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 12:11 AM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  As long as we play teams under .500 we will win.
Over .500 we will lose.
We are an ok MAC team, nothing more.

Yes. We are a good Mac team. We will beat bad Mac teams and split with good Mac teams. This should be no surprise based on our recruiting and overall status as a Mac sports school.

God ya'll are some negative Nancys!!! Why don't you let the games play out, root on the Huskies and then see where we stand... the fact is the Huskies are 3-0 in the MAC with two of those wins coming against solid squads on the road.

Go Huskies!! Beat Ohio!

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The negativity on this board is at an all-time high. I'm gonna go back to just reading the recruiting threads. Maybe.....
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(10-09-2018 06:32 PM)niu50yrdline Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 06:19 PM)Red Dog Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 12:22 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 12:11 AM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  As long as we play teams under .500 we will win.
Over .500 we will lose.
We are an ok MAC team, nothing more.

Yes. We are a good Mac team. We will beat bad Mac teams and split with good Mac teams. This should be no surprise based on our recruiting and overall status as a Mac sports school.

God ya'll are some negative Nancys!!! Why don't you let the games play out, root on the Huskies and then see where we stand... the fact is the Huskies are 3-0 in the MAC with two of those wins coming against solid squads on the road.

Go Huskies!! Beat Ohio!

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The negativity on this board is at an all-time high. I'm gonna go back to just reading the recruiting threads. Maybe.....

There is a difference between being realistic and negative. I would think all Huskies fans will be rooting hard for the Huskies to win out our remaining MAC games. Rabid Squirrel said that we are a good Mac team and will beat bad Mac teams and split with good Mac teams. That is more realistic than negative. That has been what has happened in recent seasons. He can say what his thought process was; however, it seems he was merely taking what we have done in recent seasons and applying it to the remainder of this season.

Let's all root hard for the Huskies to beat Ohio Saturday; a good MAC team.
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(10-09-2018 07:28 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 06:32 PM)niu50yrdline Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 06:19 PM)Red Dog Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 12:22 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 12:11 AM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  As long as we play teams under .500 we will win.
Over .500 we will lose.
We are an ok MAC team, nothing more.

Yes. We are a good Mac team. We will beat bad Mac teams and split with good Mac teams. This should be no surprise based on our recruiting and overall status as a Mac sports school.

God ya'll are some negative Nancys!!! Why don't you let the games play out, root on the Huskies and then see where we stand... the fact is the Huskies are 3-0 in the MAC with two of those wins coming against solid squads on the road.

Go Huskies!! Beat Ohio!

04-cheers

The negativity on this board is at an all-time high. I'm gonna go back to just reading the recruiting threads. Maybe.....

There is a difference between being realistic and negative. I would think all Huskies fans will be rooting hard for the Huskies to win out our remaining MAC games. Rabid Squirrel said that we are a good Mac team and will beat bad Mac teams and split with good Mac teams. That is more realistic than negative. That has been what has happened in recent seasons. He can say what his thought process was; however, it seems he was merely taking what we have done in recent seasons and applying it to the remainder of this season.

Let's all root hard for the Huskies to beat Ohio Saturday; a good MAC team.

My comment wasn't limited to one persons post. It was a broad statement about this board in general. The fact is they're 3-0 in MAC play, and you'd think we're 0-3.
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RE: Regression, the fan base, and who is to "blame"
(10-07-2018 12:22 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 12:11 AM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  As long as we play teams under .500 we will win.
Over .500 we will lose.
We are an ok MAC team, nothing more.

Yes. We are a good Mac team. We will beat bad Mac teams and split with good Mac teams. This should be no surprise based on our recruiting and overall status as a Mac sports school.

It’s amazing that people woke up one day and thought NIU had turned into Ohio State.
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It’s not difficult to understand. Huskies fans expected the offense do to better than dead last out of conference under a sixth year head coach. Three games into MAC play the offense is second worst in the MAC. Expecting better is not asking for too much. I still enjoy Huskies football, but would like to enjoy both offensive and defensive possessions.
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(10-10-2018 12:11 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  It’s not difficult to understand. Huskies fans expected the offense do to better than dead last out of conference under a sixth year head coach. Three games into MAC play the offense is second worst in the MAC. Expecting better is not asking for too much. I still enjoy Huskies football, but would like to enjoy both offensive and defensive possessions.

Quite true. The 3-0 conference record is great, this team just has to prove it can beat a good team
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(09-26-2018 08:44 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 05:58 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 01:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:55 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The last few seasons were just a good qb away from being successful. A good qb changes your offense immeasurable. Saying that doesn’t mean Carey hasn’t made some bone headed calls and personnel moves. Or that he oversees that mess at offense. But good qbs make messy offenses run well. If you’re blaming Carey’s in game decisions for losing games, that also means you believe NIU has the talent to win those games. That in turn means you support Carey as a recruiter.

Carey IMO is average. That’s all he is and why no one else wants him. Who would want an average Mac coach? He didn’t ruin NIU. He does good. He does bad. Im going to remind you all of something I repeat over and over here in response to the “program is being ruined from the greatness it was built into” crowd. - NIUs glory years were built on 5 straight seasons of the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country. Almost every season our SOS was one or two spots from the very bottom. Combine that with the 2 best QBs we’ve ever had and that right there is your - NIU is an elite G5 nonsense. We beat NO ONE in that stretch. Since our SOS has moved up quite a bit and we’ve struggled at QB our winning has declined. Crazy how that works. That doesn’t cover the times Carey makes major mistakes, but it’s the major reason NIU has declined in wins.

Even with the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country, NIU was able to win multiple conference titles. Carey has one in five years. None since 2014 which means his senior class doesn’t have one. It isn’t just a fall from grace, it’s a complete collapse. NIU is the betting favorite to win the MAC this year. Going one for six in conference titles is inexcusable. Conference title or bust for him. Thank God his contract is expiring so we don’t have to hear the same “we can’t afford to fire him” argument anymore.

Yes. They won 2. Lost 1. And failed to make another. So 2/4. And as it’s been proven on this board many times the top rated qbs are the only ones who win the MACC. In fact, the lowest rated qb to win a macc in the last dozen years is Drew Hare in 2014. It should be no surprise that Harnish and Lynch were the top rated QBs when they won. Or that when Lynch lost in 13 he lost to a higher rated qb in Matt Johnson. Yes, we can blame Carey for not getting a top qb in. But I’m not going to blame him for not winning a MACC with Ryan graham or Marcus Childers. He needs to find or develope a qb asap if he wants to win a MACC.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding but Carey has only one 1 conference title. What are you referring to when you say they won 2 and lost 1?

Pre Carey. ‘09-‘12. That stretch when they were playing the 118th out of 120 SOS and bad qbs in the macc.

QB ratings for starters vs NIU in MACC
2010 Dysert -129, Harnish 157 lost
2011 Tettleton- 148, Harnish 153 won
2012 Keith -111, Lynch 144 won
2013 Johnson - 161, Lynch 138 lost
2014 knapke 118, Hare 136 won
2015 Johnson 164, Fiedler 000 lost
2016 Terrel 175
2017 woodside 162

The last 3 years was going to take one hell of a qb to win the MACC. Much tougher than the qbs in 10,11,12

NIU's Sagarin ratings were noticeably higher back then. I don't think there's any question that those teams were better than what we have now. For one thing, we lost, by a similar amount, to a FSU team that is far worse than the one we played in the Orange Bowl.
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(10-10-2018 01:21 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 12:11 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  It’s not difficult to understand. Huskies fans expected the offense do to better than dead last out of conference under a sixth year head coach. Three games into MAC play the offense is second worst in the MAC. Expecting better is not asking for too much. I still enjoy Huskies football, but would like to enjoy both offensive and defensive possessions.

Quite true. The 3-0 conference record is great, this team just has to prove it can beat a good team

No it doesn't. It has graduate its players, run a clean program, win the MAC West, play in the MAC Championship, and make a bowl. If that means plowing through bad teams then so be it.......

That is what it has to prove.
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(10-10-2018 02:39 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 01:21 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 12:11 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  It’s not difficult to understand. Huskies fans expected the offense do to better than dead last out of conference under a sixth year head coach. Three games into MAC play the offense is second worst in the MAC. Expecting better is not asking for too much. I still enjoy Huskies football, but would like to enjoy both offensive and defensive possessions.

Quite true. The 3-0 conference record is great, this team just has to prove it can beat a good team

No it doesn't. It has graduate its players, run a clean program, win the MAC West, play in the MAC Championship, and make a bowl. If that means plowing through bad teams then so be it.......

That is what it has to prove.

We will have to beat good teams to win the MAC West.
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(10-10-2018 02:47 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 02:39 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 01:21 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 12:11 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  It’s not difficult to understand. Huskies fans expected the offense do to better than dead last out of conference under a sixth year head coach. Three games into MAC play the offense is second worst in the MAC. Expecting better is not asking for too much. I still enjoy Huskies football, but would like to enjoy both offensive and defensive possessions.

Quite true. The 3-0 conference record is great, this team just has to prove it can beat a good team

No it doesn't. It has graduate its players, run a clean program, win the MAC West, play in the MAC Championship, and make a bowl. If that means plowing through bad teams then so be it.......

That is what it has to prove.

We will have to beat good teams to win the MAC West.

Good teams in the MAC West or the MAC West's good teams?
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(10-10-2018 02:50 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 02:47 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 02:39 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 01:21 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 12:11 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  It’s not difficult to understand. Huskies fans expected the offense do to better than dead last out of conference under a sixth year head coach. Three games into MAC play the offense is second worst in the MAC. Expecting better is not asking for too much. I still enjoy Huskies football, but would like to enjoy both offensive and defensive possessions.

Quite true. The 3-0 conference record is great, this team just has to prove it can beat a good team

No it doesn't. It has graduate its players, run a clean program, win the MAC West, play in the MAC Championship, and make a bowl. If that means plowing through bad teams then so be it.......

That is what it has to prove.

We will have to beat good teams to win the MAC West.

Good teams in the MAC West or the MAC West's good teams?

I am not sure what the difference is, and I am not limiting it to only good teams in the MAC West. One can debate what are good MAC teams. I would call Ohio Toledo and WMU good MAC teams. Akron is struggling right now, but also capable of being a good team. Miami (OH) is 2-4, but have been playing well. I think all our remaining MAC games will be hard fought and tough, and we will have to beat good MAC teams (in the East and/or West) to win the MAC West.
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I don't think there are any particularly good teams in the MAC West this year, and no particularly bad teams. There are going to be a bunch of close games coming up.
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(10-10-2018 03:27 PM)logicalhuskie Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 03:03 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 02:50 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 02:47 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-10-2018 02:39 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  No it doesn't. It has graduate its players, run a clean program, win the MAC West, play in the MAC Championship, and make a bowl. If that means plowing through bad teams then so be it.......

That is what it has to prove.

We will have to beat good teams to win the MAC West.

Good teams in the MAC West or the MAC West's good teams?

I am not sure what the difference is, and I am not limiting it to only good teams in the MAC West. One can debate what are good MAC teams. I would call Ohio Toledo and WMU good MAC teams. Akron is struggling right now, but also capable of being a good team. Miami (OH) is 2-4, but have been playing well. I think all our remaining MAC games will be hard fought and tough, and we will have to beat good MAC teams (in the East and/or West) to win the MAC West.

Is there a bad MAC west team that we have beaten? Look at the teams that we are 3-0 against have lost to.

It depends on your definition of bad. By record alone all 3 would be considered bad MAC West teams. By who they played:

CMU is bad - stomped by Kansas at home and struggled with Maine. Anytime we beat CMU that is an accomplishment, but I would still call them bad.

EMU beat Purdue and all their losses have been close. To me good teams find ways to win close games (as we have done); good teams don’t always win close games, but EMU makes a habit of losing close games, and this is not the first year they have done that. I would not call EMU a good MAC West team. So, if we are limiting to good or bad EMU would be bad. I think of EMU is an OK/quality team somewhere between good and bad.

Ball State played ND tough, but lost to a really bad WKU team that lost to Maine, so they are very inconsistent, and to me a bad team that is capable of becoming a good team. The only reason they were in our game was the almost pic-6 that gave give them their only TD.
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Ball State and EMU aren't good teams, but they aren't bottom of the FBS bad, like MAC teams sometimes are.
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The downside maybe that was a little more hidden of playing that murderous row of teams in non-conf at least from a fan perspective, is an apathy for getting back into the MAC schedule, particularly when you could not pull off one of those wins. Players seem to have responded ok, but the fans probably have a little MAC fatigue right now when facing not only the remainder of a mediocre MAC schedule this year on top of the typical weekday Maction grind. It is just too much for fans to take in anymore I am afraid. Plus we have seen all this before, winning the MAC championship usually means you get the worst bowl game. It is hard to generate artificial excitement without real post-season meaning. Don't get me wrong, I will be ecstatic if NIU can win the MAC, but at the same time I can understand it not motivating fans much. Maybe beating BYU would restore some excitement and interest. The game that I think Huskie fans will be sore from for awhile is that Utah game. Defense played way way way past the level that a W should have been the result. Huskies needed to win that game to claim a sense of relevancy this year. Beatable P5 team on your turf with a championship like defense, you HAVE to win that game.
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(10-10-2018 04:50 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Ball State and EMU aren't good teams, but they aren't bottom of the FBS bad, like MAC teams sometimes are.

Ball State might be flirting with the basement.
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What are the rankings for MAC teams? Anybody under 90?
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(10-10-2018 09:56 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The downside maybe that was a little more hidden of playing that murderous row of teams in non-conf at least from a fan perspective, is an apathy for getting back into the MAC schedule, particularly when you could not pull off one of those wins. Players seem to have responded ok, but the fans probably have a little MAC fatigue right now when facing not only the remainder of a mediocre MAC schedule this year on top of the typical weekday Maction grind. It is just too much for fans to take in anymore I am afraid. Plus we have seen all this before, winning the MAC championship usually means you get the worst bowl game. It is hard to generate artificial excitement without real post-season meaning. Don't get me wrong, I will be ecstatic if NIU can win the MAC, but at the same time I can understand it not motivating fans much. Maybe beating BYU would restore some excitement and interest. The game that I think Huskie fans will be sore from for awhile is that Utah game. Defense played way way way past the level that a W should have been the result. Huskies needed to win that game to claim a sense of relevancy this year. Beatable P5 team on your turf with a championship like defense, you HAVE to win that game.

Utah is a very very good team. You can make the argument they are the best team we faced. They just crushed Stanford at Stanford, have a top 20 defense in FBS and were favored to beat us by 10 (in fact I recall you saying we would lose by more) . I get it, it was home but not one expected to win. As opposed to it being disappointing underachievement, I see it as a great testament to our team, the fact we kept it that close.
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(10-10-2018 10:39 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  What are the rankings for MAC teams? Anybody under 90?

Massey composites (or average of all computer rankings) up to date:

56. Buffalo
67. Western Michigan
77. Toledo
86. Northern Illinois
87. Ohio
91. Eastern Michigan
92. Akron
94. Miami-OH
111. Ball State
114. Central Michigan
125. Kent State
127. Bowling Green

So, average ranking of 3 teams NIU has defeated in conference is 105.
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In fairness the reasons for the low home opening attendance last year for BC were it was a Friday nite game (no HS fans) with a late start (8 or 9pm I recall, the game did not end till after midnight) and the weather was unseasonably cold the temp at the end of the game was down to 50 I believe.
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