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RE: Regression, the fan base, and who is to "blame"
(09-26-2018 01:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(09-26-2018 12:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The last few seasons were just a good qb away from being successful. A good qb changes your offense immeasurable. Saying that doesn’t mean Carey hasn’t made some bone headed calls and personnel moves. Or that he oversees that mess at offense. But good qbs make messy offenses run well. If you’re blaming Carey’s in game decisions for losing games, that also means you believe NIU has the talent to win those games. That in turn means you support Carey as a recruiter.

Carey IMO is average. That’s all he is and why no one else wants him. Who would want an average Mac coach? He didn’t ruin NIU. He does good. He does bad. Im going to remind you all of something I repeat over and over here in response to the “program is being ruined from the greatness it was built into” crowd. - NIUs glory years were built on 5 straight seasons of the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country. Almost every season our SOS was one or two spots from the very bottom. Combine that with the 2 best QBs we’ve ever had and that right there is your - NIU is an elite G5 nonsense. We beat NO ONE in that stretch. Since our SOS has moved up quite a bit and we’ve struggled at QB our winning has declined. Crazy how that works. That doesn’t cover the times Carey makes major mistakes, but it’s the major reason NIU has declined in wins.

Even with the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country, NIU was able to win multiple conference titles. Carey has one in five years. None since 2014 which means his senior class doesn’t have one. It isn’t just a fall from grace, it’s a complete collapse. NIU is the betting favorite to win the MAC this year. Going one for six in conference titles is inexcusable. Conference title or bust for him. Thank God his contract is expiring so we don’t have to hear the same “we can’t afford to fire him” argument anymore.

Yes. They won 2. Lost 1. And failed to make another. So 2/4. And as it’s been proven on this board many times the top rated qbs are the only ones who win the MACC. In fact, the lowest rated qb to win a macc in the last dozen years is Drew Hare in 2014. It should be no surprise that Harnish and Lynch were the top rated QBs when they won. Or that when Lynch lost in 13 he lost to a higher rated qb in Matt Johnson. Yes, we can blame Carey for not getting a top qb in. But I’m not going to blame him for not winning a MACC with Ryan graham or Marcus Childers. He needs to find or develope a qb asap if he wants to win a MACC.

I would blame him for having to rely on someone like Ryan Graham or a freshman (or this year, sophomore) Childers as the best option. Why is that Toledo has one of their good QBs graduate and the very next year their new QB is running their offense effectively and putting 60 points on the board?

And to your point, they only won with Hare because both Toledo and BG were missing their starting QB that year.

Absolutely. Matt Johnson would have beaten Hare. Toledo has had the best recruiting class like 7/10 years but didn’t win a MACC over that period until they had Woodsen. Maybe their QBs is another woodsen? We went Harnish/Lynch maybe they go Woodsen/this guy. But like every year, one of the top 3 rated Mac qbs will win the championship. And if we didn’t have harnish or Lynch we wouldn’t have had our championships either. I too would blame Carey for Graham and Childers. Childers better come around or this season will really suck.
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RE: Regression, the fan base, and who is to "blame"
(09-26-2018 01:42 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 01:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 01:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:55 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The last few seasons were just a good qb away from being successful. A good qb changes your offense immeasurable. Saying that doesn’t mean Carey hasn’t made some bone headed calls and personnel moves. Or that he oversees that mess at offense. But good qbs make messy offenses run well. If you’re blaming Carey’s in game decisions for losing games, that also means you believe NIU has the talent to win those games. That in turn means you support Carey as a recruiter.

Carey IMO is average. That’s all he is and why no one else wants him. Who would want an average Mac coach? He didn’t ruin NIU. He does good. He does bad. Im going to remind you all of something I repeat over and over here in response to the “program is being ruined from the greatness it was built into” crowd. - NIUs glory years were built on 5 straight seasons of the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country. Almost every season our SOS was one or two spots from the very bottom. Combine that with the 2 best QBs we’ve ever had and that right there is your - NIU is an elite G5 nonsense. We beat NO ONE in that stretch. Since our SOS has moved up quite a bit and we’ve struggled at QB our winning has declined. Crazy how that works. That doesn’t cover the times Carey makes major mistakes, but it’s the major reason NIU has declined in wins.

Even with the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country, NIU was able to win multiple conference titles. Carey has one in five years. None since 2014 which means his senior class doesn’t have one. It isn’t just a fall from grace, it’s a complete collapse. NIU is the betting favorite to win the MAC this year. Going one for six in conference titles is inexcusable. Conference title or bust for him. Thank God his contract is expiring so we don’t have to hear the same “we can’t afford to fire him” argument anymore.

Yes. They won 2. Lost 1. And failed to make another. So 2/4. And as it’s been proven on this board many times the top rated qbs are the only ones who win the MACC. In fact, the lowest rated qb to win a macc in the last dozen years is Drew Hare in 2014. It should be no surprise that Harnish and Lynch were the top rated QBs when they won. Or that when Lynch lost in 13 he lost to a higher rated qb in Matt Johnson. Yes, we can blame Carey for not getting a top qb in. But I’m not going to blame him for not winning a MACC with Ryan graham or Marcus Childers. He needs to find or develope a qb asap if he wants to win a MACC.

I would blame him for having to rely on someone like Ryan Graham or a freshman (or this year, sophomore) Childers as the best option. Why is that Toledo has one of their good QBs graduate and the very next year their new QB is running their offense effectively and putting 60 points on the board?

And to your point, they only won with Hare because both Toledo and BG were missing their starting QB that year.

Absolutely. Matt Johnson would have beaten Hare. Toledo has had the best recruiting class like 7/10 years but didn’t win a MACC over that period until they had Woodsen. Maybe their QBs is another woodsen? We went Harnish/Lynch maybe they go Woodsen/this guy. But like every year, one of the top 3 rated Mac qbs will win the championship. And if we didn’t have harnish or Lynch we wouldn’t have had our championships either. I too would blame Carey for Graham and Childers. Childers better come around or this season will really suck.

NIU's offensive woes it is pretty evident go way way way way beyond one player. It may make us feel better to lay it all on one guy, but its a much larger problem
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(09-26-2018 12:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Carey IMO is average. ... He does good. He does bad.

Carey did good with the players recruited by his predecessors and not so good with the players he recruited.

There is enough talent on this year's squad that we could have had a successful and perhaps an exceptional season with one major exception. We have had terrible play at the QB position and the fact that Carey and his staff have not given someone else a chance to play that position makes me fear there is not much behind Childers.

At this point there is nothing to do but cheer for Mr. Childers and hope for his rapid development. Who knows, it could happen but I do wonder if coach Harmon is capable of helping him develop.
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(09-26-2018 02:25 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Carey IMO is average. ... He does good. He does bad.

Carey did good with the players recruited by his predecessors and not so good with the players he recruited.

There is enough talent on this year's squad that we could have had a successful and perhaps an exceptional season with one major exception. We have had terrible play at the QB position and the fact that Carey and his staff have not given someone else a chance to play that position makes me fear there is not much behind Childers.

At this point there is nothing to do but cheer for Mr. Childers and hope for his rapid development. Who knows, it could happen but I do wonder if coach Harmon is capable of helping him develop.

That is what is terrifying me about Carey, he is getting clearly worse every year. Each year is more head scratching than the previous year.
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(09-26-2018 02:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 01:42 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 01:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 01:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:55 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Even with the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country, NIU was able to win multiple conference titles. Carey has one in five years. None since 2014 which means his senior class doesn’t have one. It isn’t just a fall from grace, it’s a complete collapse. NIU is the betting favorite to win the MAC this year. Going one for six in conference titles is inexcusable. Conference title or bust for him. Thank God his contract is expiring so we don’t have to hear the same “we can’t afford to fire him” argument anymore.

Yes. They won 2. Lost 1. And failed to make another. So 2/4. And as it’s been proven on this board many times the top rated qbs are the only ones who win the MACC. In fact, the lowest rated qb to win a macc in the last dozen years is Drew Hare in 2014. It should be no surprise that Harnish and Lynch were the top rated QBs when they won. Or that when Lynch lost in 13 he lost to a higher rated qb in Matt Johnson. Yes, we can blame Carey for not getting a top qb in. But I’m not going to blame him for not winning a MACC with Ryan graham or Marcus Childers. He needs to find or develope a qb asap if he wants to win a MACC.

I would blame him for having to rely on someone like Ryan Graham or a freshman (or this year, sophomore) Childers as the best option. Why is that Toledo has one of their good QBs graduate and the very next year their new QB is running their offense effectively and putting 60 points on the board?

And to your point, they only won with Hare because both Toledo and BG were missing their starting QB that year.

Absolutely. Matt Johnson would have beaten Hare. Toledo has had the best recruiting class like 7/10 years but didn’t win a MACC over that period until they had Woodsen. Maybe their QBs is another woodsen? We went Harnish/Lynch maybe they go Woodsen/this guy. But like every year, one of the top 3 rated Mac qbs will win the championship. And if we didn’t have harnish or Lynch we wouldn’t have had our championships either. I too would blame Carey for Graham and Childers. Childers better come around or this season will really suck.

NIU's offensive woes it is pretty evident go way way way way beyond one player. It may make us feel better to lay it all on one guy, but its a much larger problem

Sure, it would help to have someone like Golladay too. But even if we had someone like TLL or Daron Brown, if they got open deep our QB wouldn't hit them. So everything shorter is bottled up by the defensive players and there's little room for big plays, either running or passing. Also, with too many defenders in the box, the running game doesn't work as well either.
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(09-26-2018 02:25 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Carey IMO is average. ... He does good. He does bad.

Carey did good with the players recruited by his predecessors and not so good with the players he recruited.

There is enough talent on this year's squad that we could have had a successful and perhaps an exceptional season with one major exception. We have had terrible play at the QB position and the fact that Carey and his staff have not given someone else a chance to play that position makes me fear there is not much behind Childers.

At this point there is nothing to do but cheer for Mr. Childers and hope for his rapid development. Who knows, it could happen but I do wonder if coach Harmon is capable of helping him develop.

This is the coaching staff that moved Maddie to WR in favor of Graham. I'm not convinced that Thompson or Hall couldn't get the job done. The coaches seem to want to run the high-percentage passing game. Unfortunately, they don't have an accurate passer yet they insist on the same philosophy that has led us to the worst offense in the country. And in the mean time we are wasting a heck of a talent in Harbison...
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(09-26-2018 03:03 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 02:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 01:42 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 01:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 01:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Yes. They won 2. Lost 1. And failed to make another. So 2/4. And as it’s been proven on this board many times the top rated qbs are the only ones who win the MACC. In fact, the lowest rated qb to win a macc in the last dozen years is Drew Hare in 2014. It should be no surprise that Harnish and Lynch were the top rated QBs when they won. Or that when Lynch lost in 13 he lost to a higher rated qb in Matt Johnson. Yes, we can blame Carey for not getting a top qb in. But I’m not going to blame him for not winning a MACC with Ryan graham or Marcus Childers. He needs to find or develope a qb asap if he wants to win a MACC.

I would blame him for having to rely on someone like Ryan Graham or a freshman (or this year, sophomore) Childers as the best option. Why is that Toledo has one of their good QBs graduate and the very next year their new QB is running their offense effectively and putting 60 points on the board?

And to your point, they only won with Hare because both Toledo and BG were missing their starting QB that year.

Absolutely. Matt Johnson would have beaten Hare. Toledo has had the best recruiting class like 7/10 years but didn’t win a MACC over that period until they had Woodsen. Maybe their QBs is another woodsen? We went Harnish/Lynch maybe they go Woodsen/this guy. But like every year, one of the top 3 rated Mac qbs will win the championship. And if we didn’t have harnish or Lynch we wouldn’t have had our championships either. I too would blame Carey for Graham and Childers. Childers better come around or this season will really suck.

NIU's offensive woes it is pretty evident go way way way way beyond one player. It may make us feel better to lay it all on one guy, but its a much larger problem

Sure, it would help to have someone like Golladay too. But even if we had someone like TLL or Daron Brown, if they got open deep our QB wouldn't hit them. So everything shorter is bottled up by the defensive players and there's little room for big plays, either running or passing. Also, with too many defenders in the box, the running game doesn't work as well either.

By a factor of 100 this team is being set up to fail by coaching, my only point was Childers is a tiny fraction of the problems with the offense.
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(09-26-2018 04:18 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 02:25 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Carey IMO is average. ... He does good. He does bad.

Carey did good with the players recruited by his predecessors and not so good with the players he recruited.

There is enough talent on this year's squad that we could have had a successful and perhaps an exceptional season with one major exception. We have had terrible play at the QB position and the fact that Carey and his staff have not given someone else a chance to play that position makes me fear there is not much behind Childers.

At this point there is nothing to do but cheer for Mr. Childers and hope for his rapid development. Who knows, it could happen but I do wonder if coach Harmon is capable of helping him develop.

This is the coaching staff that moved Maddie to WR in favor of Graham. I'm not convinced that Thompson or Hall couldn't get the job done. The coaches seem to want to run the high-percentage passing game. Unfortunately, they don't have an accurate passer yet they insist on the same philosophy that has led us to the worst offense in the country. And in the mean time we are wasting a heck of a talent in Harbison...

Serious question just with two recent exhibits , is there any other FBS coach in this country that would:

1) Fake a punt on 4th and 18 and your own 9 yard in a bowl game in the 1st half
2) Attempt a 2 point conversion with a trick play, get a false start on trick play, and then not only refuse to kick an extra point, but run the same play you gave away on the false start.

It is to the point now where even writers and bloggers are making fun of Carey on social media. I just don't know how much longer this can go on like this. I know Frazier can't let go of Carey because he thinks it will hurt him in the job hunt, but seriously Frazier needs to ask himself is he really getting out of NIU with a football program in this declining state?
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(09-26-2018 01:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:55 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The last few seasons were just a good qb away from being successful. A good qb changes your offense immeasurable. Saying that doesn’t mean Carey hasn’t made some bone headed calls and personnel moves. Or that he oversees that mess at offense. But good qbs make messy offenses run well. If you’re blaming Carey’s in game decisions for losing games, that also means you believe NIU has the talent to win those games. That in turn means you support Carey as a recruiter.

Carey IMO is average. That’s all he is and why no one else wants him. Who would want an average Mac coach? He didn’t ruin NIU. He does good. He does bad. Im going to remind you all of something I repeat over and over here in response to the “program is being ruined from the greatness it was built into” crowd. - NIUs glory years were built on 5 straight seasons of the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country. Almost every season our SOS was one or two spots from the very bottom. Combine that with the 2 best QBs we’ve ever had and that right there is your - NIU is an elite G5 nonsense. We beat NO ONE in that stretch. Since our SOS has moved up quite a bit and we’ve struggled at QB our winning has declined. Crazy how that works. That doesn’t cover the times Carey makes major mistakes, but it’s the major reason NIU has declined in wins.

Even with the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country, NIU was able to win multiple conference titles. Carey has one in five years. None since 2014 which means his senior class doesn’t have one. It isn’t just a fall from grace, it’s a complete collapse. NIU is the betting favorite to win the MAC this year. Going one for six in conference titles is inexcusable. Conference title or bust for him. Thank God his contract is expiring so we don’t have to hear the same “we can’t afford to fire him” argument anymore.

Yes. They won 2. Lost 1. And failed to make another. So 2/4. And as it’s been proven on this board many times the top rated qbs are the only ones who win the MACC. In fact, the lowest rated qb to win a macc in the last dozen years is Drew Hare in 2014. It should be no surprise that Harnish and Lynch were the top rated QBs when they won. Or that when Lynch lost in 13 he lost to a higher rated qb in Matt Johnson. Yes, we can blame Carey for not getting a top qb in. But I’m not going to blame him for not winning a MACC with Ryan graham or Marcus Childers. He needs to find or develope a qb asap if he wants to win a MACC.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding but Carey has only one 1 conference title. What are you referring to when you say they won 2 and lost 1?
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(09-26-2018 05:58 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 01:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:55 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The last few seasons were just a good qb away from being successful. A good qb changes your offense immeasurable. Saying that doesn’t mean Carey hasn’t made some bone headed calls and personnel moves. Or that he oversees that mess at offense. But good qbs make messy offenses run well. If you’re blaming Carey’s in game decisions for losing games, that also means you believe NIU has the talent to win those games. That in turn means you support Carey as a recruiter.

Carey IMO is average. That’s all he is and why no one else wants him. Who would want an average Mac coach? He didn’t ruin NIU. He does good. He does bad. Im going to remind you all of something I repeat over and over here in response to the “program is being ruined from the greatness it was built into” crowd. - NIUs glory years were built on 5 straight seasons of the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country. Almost every season our SOS was one or two spots from the very bottom. Combine that with the 2 best QBs we’ve ever had and that right there is your - NIU is an elite G5 nonsense. We beat NO ONE in that stretch. Since our SOS has moved up quite a bit and we’ve struggled at QB our winning has declined. Crazy how that works. That doesn’t cover the times Carey makes major mistakes, but it’s the major reason NIU has declined in wins.

Even with the WEAKEST SCHEDULE in the country, NIU was able to win multiple conference titles. Carey has one in five years. None since 2014 which means his senior class doesn’t have one. It isn’t just a fall from grace, it’s a complete collapse. NIU is the betting favorite to win the MAC this year. Going one for six in conference titles is inexcusable. Conference title or bust for him. Thank God his contract is expiring so we don’t have to hear the same “we can’t afford to fire him” argument anymore.

Yes. They won 2. Lost 1. And failed to make another. So 2/4. And as it’s been proven on this board many times the top rated qbs are the only ones who win the MACC. In fact, the lowest rated qb to win a macc in the last dozen years is Drew Hare in 2014. It should be no surprise that Harnish and Lynch were the top rated QBs when they won. Or that when Lynch lost in 13 he lost to a higher rated qb in Matt Johnson. Yes, we can blame Carey for not getting a top qb in. But I’m not going to blame him for not winning a MACC with Ryan graham or Marcus Childers. He needs to find or develope a qb asap if he wants to win a MACC.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding but Carey has only one 1 conference title. What are you referring to when you say they won 2 and lost 1?

Pre Carey. ‘09-‘12. That stretch when they were playing the 118th out of 120 SOS and bad qbs in the macc.

QB ratings for starters vs NIU in MACC
2010 Dysert -129, Harnish 157 lost
2011 Tettleton- 148, Harnish 153 won
2012 Keith -111, Lynch 144 won
2013 Johnson - 161, Lynch 138 lost
2014 knapke 118, Hare 136 won
2015 Johnson 164, Fiedler 000 lost
2016 Terrel 175
2017 woodside 162

The last 3 years was going to take one hell of a qb to win the MACC. Much tougher than the qbs in 10,11,12
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Ahh I see. That’s why I didn’t understand, because you started talking about someone completely irrelevant to my post. You were better off not quoting me at all.

I’m talking Carey-era.
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(09-26-2018 05:28 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
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(09-26-2018 02:25 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 12:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Carey IMO is average. ... He does good. He does bad.

Carey did good with the players recruited by his predecessors and not so good with the players he recruited.

There is enough talent on this year's squad that we could have had a successful and perhaps an exceptional season with one major exception. We have had terrible play at the QB position and the fact that Carey and his staff have not given someone else a chance to play that position makes me fear there is not much behind Childers.

At this point there is nothing to do but cheer for Mr. Childers and hope for his rapid development. Who knows, it could happen but I do wonder if coach Harmon is capable of helping him develop.

This is the coaching staff that moved Maddie to WR in favor of Graham. I'm not convinced that Thompson or Hall couldn't get the job done. The coaches seem to want to run the high-percentage passing game. Unfortunately, they don't have an accurate passer yet they insist on the same philosophy that has led us to the worst offense in the country. And in the mean time we are wasting a heck of a talent in Harbison...

Serious question just with two recent exhibits , is there any other FBS coach in this country that would:

1) Fake a punt on 4th and 18 and your own 9 yard in a bowl game in the 1st half
2) Attempt a 2 point conversion with a trick play, get a false start on trick play, and then not only refuse to kick an extra point, but run the same play you gave away on the false start.

It is to the point now where even writers and bloggers are making fun of Carey on social media. I just don't know how much longer this can go on like this. I know Frazier can't let go of Carey because he thinks it will hurt him in the job hunt, but seriously Frazier needs to ask himself is he really getting out of NIU with a football program in this declining state?

No, I'm pretty sure no one else would have done those bonehead coaching mistakes. Although I saw Brady Hoke accept a holding penalty against NIU which didn't knock us out of FG range but did provide another chance for a TD, which NIU then did.

I hate to imagine what Carey would have done with prior talent. Grady would have continued at QB while Harnish was moved to WR. Spann would have split carries with 2 other RBs and only got 5 carries a game. Wolfe would have evenly split carries (if that) with AJ Harris.
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Rewatching the FSU game, I think there is noticeable improvement in Childers that shouldn’t be overlooked.

Several well thrown intermediate to deep balls
- after we get a fumble recovery in the first half, a well thrown deep ball to DJ Brown that should’ve been caught
- 20 yd TD to Wesley was a great route to get open and pass right on
- TD to Brown was well thrown over some defenders and under others right to Brown
- The TD where Wesley stepped out also right on, too bad he stepped out

Looked much more poised in the pocket allowing plays to develop

Sure there were some bad throws. And several well thrown balls that were dropped. And there were some throwaways when no one was open or the pass rush required it. There are some athletes on that FSU defense, and it is clear FSU is getting better.

And so are we, and it is going to show in MAC play.
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(09-26-2018 08:57 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Ahh I see. That’s why I didn’t understand, because you started talking about someone completely irrelevant to my post. You were better off not quoting me at all.

I’m talking Carey-era.

No. You clearly stated NIU won multiple conference titles with the weakest schedule in the country. While true, I posted those multiple conference title stats. Quoting you is just out of necessity to demonstrate ill-informed opinions about NIUs “greatness of yore”
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(09-26-2018 09:55 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  Rewatching the FSU game, I think there is noticeable improvement in Childers that shouldn’t be overlooked.

Several well thrown intermediate to deep balls
- after we get a fumble recovery in the first half, a well thrown deep ball to DJ Brown that should’ve been caught
- 20 yd TD to Wesley was a great route to get open and pass right on
- TD to Brown was well thrown over some defenders and under others right to Brown
- The TD where Wesley stepped out also right on, too bad he stepped out

Looked much more poised in the pocket allowing plays to develop

Sure there were some bad throws. And several well thrown balls that were dropped. And there were some throwaways when no one was open or the pass rush required it. There are some athletes on that FSU defense, and it is clear FSU is getting better.

And so are we, and it is going to show in MAC play.

Childers second half gives the rest of the season hope. He attempted passes he usually turtles from.
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(09-26-2018 10:34 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-26-2018 09:55 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  Rewatching the FSU game, I think there is noticeable improvement in Childers that shouldn’t be overlooked.

Several well thrown intermediate to deep balls
- after we get a fumble recovery in the first half, a well thrown deep ball to DJ Brown that should’ve been caught
- 20 yd TD to Wesley was a great route to get open and pass right on
- TD to Brown was well thrown over some defenders and under others right to Brown
- The TD where Wesley stepped out also right on, too bad he stepped out

Looked much more poised in the pocket allowing plays to develop

Sure there were some bad throws. And several well thrown balls that were dropped. And there were some throwaways when no one was open or the pass rush required it. There are some athletes on that FSU defense, and it is clear FSU is getting better.

And so are we, and it is going to show in MAC play.

Childers second half gives the rest of the season hope. He attempted passes he usually turtles from.

CMU was better also after the first 1-1/2 quarters. Let’s not forget the 20 yd TD to Tears against CMU (14 yd TD caught several yards in the end zone. Or the 15 yard pass between defenders on 2nd and 20 that turned into a 37 yard catch and run. Or the deep ball to Tears that was maybe 6 inches too long in the 4Q on the drive that could have put us up 31-16.

It sure helps having Tears back, TEs with a few games of experience, and the emergence of Tucker against FSU. As bad as things were against Iowa and Utah in the passing game, the improvement was inevitable.
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(09-25-2018 08:13 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Rod Carey’s current senior class is 22-21. They currently have zero bowl wins and zero conference championships with a losing season sprinkled in the middle. When all is said and done it’s possible they have two losing seasons.

When these kids committed to NIU the senior class was 46-10 with three MAC Championships, a bowl win and an Orange Bowl appearance.

It’s not sustainable, we get it. It’s not that the program regressed, it’s how big it has regressed.

Carey got handed the keys to a Ferrari and totaled it before leaving the parking lot.

FIRE ROD CAREY!!!
Ok sure I get it, but they have lost so many QBs due to injury and late decommitments. The expectations have to be adjusted. Imho.

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7 you make too much logic sense. You better duck because this board is going to revolt.

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(09-25-2018 08:30 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  Thanks for posting this 7, it is fact based and a legitimate point of view.

After reading it I still do not like Carey, our current offensive coordinator or QB coach very much. My point of view is largely because of his/his staff's complete inability to recruit, develop or evaluate talent at the all important QB position. He did do pretty well early in his tenure with players that he inherited. One additional knock on him is his lack of football judgement, I just cannot respect a coach who runs a fake punt out of his own end zone on fourth and a country mile.

Rod seems like a likable guy who has a good character and runs a clean program. I respect him for that but I doubt that NIU will ever win another MACC with him as our HC.
I agree with your QB comments. You would think that qb would be a strength after Harnish and Lynch but I wonder, did Carey call the fake punt (which was absolutely misreable) or was it a staff member? Either way I could see people blaming him as he is the head coach.

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(09-25-2018 11:15 PM)Dtownboys Wrote:  
(09-25-2018 10:49 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  i think the stat posted by iwokeuplikethis tells it all.

Carey won 1 game vs a team with a winning record of his last 32 attempts. This tells it all. He cannot compete with good teams whether its another conference in ooc, good mac teams, or bowl games.

We have been destroyed the last 3 bowl games - i.e. Duke / Boise / Utah State

He has an inflated record early on due to other coaches recruits.

No excuse for Utah state but those other teams were good and we weren’t favored. Add in Marshall to that and I know the games should have been closer. I can’t completely agree with you on this though because Boise and Marshall were real good. Duke was good as well. They’ve jada great year this year with most of those players returning.
Utah St. Had a very strong defense perfectly matched to stop Lynch. Those linebacker gave him fits. Lynch missed deep that day and couldnt move the chains. Ballgame.

Actually pretty similiar to FSU in Orange bowl. That team formed a semi circle and collapsed around him and waited for him to run. Lynch actually had some time to throw but the deep threat was injured that game so he had limited open receivers.

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