(09-29-2018 07:44 PM)WM Beancounter Wrote:  When was the last time wm was shut out in back to back games?

But sure, keep the 29 year old offensive coordinator, he's not the problem

Worse than shut out. Our offense gave JMU 12 points last week.
Tonight we looked like a "Bad teams find ways to lose" showcase.

(09-29-2018 07:55 PM)Swemster Wrote:  Eyesore of a game for us. Next week is a great opportunity to get into a healthy headspace.

Really enjoyed hearing Coach Rogers on the call with Jay tonight.

Agree with this. Not sure why he retired - irrelevent at this point. But he has exceptional knowledge and it was very informative to listen to him. He should be added to the team

(09-29-2018 08:32 PM)tribefbfan Wrote:  There is so much I’d like to say, but it is better left unsaid.

There is no one on this board that can convince me that Colgate has more talent on the field than we did.

+1. It’s something else— likely a combination of factors. Feels wasteful and is really a sad feeling.

I watched us receive a kickoff in the third quarter and watched all 11 Colgate players rush to our ball carrier literally untouched. Every green jersey stood flat footed and didn't see one block land on a Colgate player. Said it all for how embarrassed I feel about where the program is at. It's unfortunate at this stage of a remarkable career, but Jimmye owns it.

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Players are not happy. I saw several shouting at Laycock and other coaches coming off the field. I think Jimmye has lost the team.

(09-29-2018 09:49 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Players are not happy. I saw several shouting at Laycock and other coaches coming off the field. I think Jimmye has lost the team.

That seems quite strange. I cannot imagine any players shouting at JL.

It was a winnable game tonight, but we beat ourselves with costly mistakes. Everyone is frustrated but we cannot point fingers at others. We need to keep our cool and play to our potential.

I know it's nothing new, but me and my friends watching the game all came to the same conclusion: Whenever we had something good going, we somehow always found a way to mess it up. It was like after every great pass we would fumble, or as soon as a drive really got going there would be a pick, or a missed kick. Never a chance to really sustain anything.

As for what Tribe32 said about players not being happy with Laycock...I have heard that some guys on the team are very excited about a fresh coach.

I understand it’s 2018 but should the players be “happy” after that result? They don’t have a right to be after the way they played again tonight. They should be shouting at themselves, and the coaches should probably give them some too(if that’s still allowed). They have themselves to blame for the loss.

Do you think the coaches are “happy” because I certainly don’t. But they can’t shout at players coming off the field and act like brats like you are saying the players were. I hope that wasn’t actually what happened.

Hopefully some leadership emerges in the locker room because as I said before most of these guys are coming back next year. Ideally the rest of the season can be a constructive one as the programs regroups for the future.

(09-29-2018 08:32 PM)tribefbfan Wrote:  There is so much I’d like to say, but it is better left unsaid.

There is no one on this board that can convince me that Colgate has more talent on the field than we did.

Our OL looked 2" taller and 30 lbs heavier than Colgate's DL. A CAA front line should've steamrolled that DL. Seems we've had an awful time rushing after the initial drive vs Bucknell.

I could go on a serious tangent but it comes down to a few points and I hate to say it:

JL picked a good time to retire because I think there is a great chance that Huge would have fire him in November. She has already demonstrated a willingness to relieve entrenched personnel of their duties. I don't think any coach should feel safe in their position at W&M.

Our DEs need to regroup. Just nowhere near enough edge rush. I believe we have one...one sack for the entire season and that was at the hands of a DT. That's not okay. It's been 4 year since we had a sack specialist and we miss that level of pressure.

Our OL needs to take every opportunity to improve/gel over the next 7 months. I think they will. Same for Shon and, again, I think he will.

I will never name names, but a few guys have really disappointed over the past few years. I expected a lot more out of them and I think they had the potential to be great. So much talent.

I didn't think it could get much worse than 2-9 but we are headed down that road. We haven't played a good game yet and have been flat humiliated by two FCS squads.

There isn't a player on this roster who has earned the right to yell at any coach and I have a very hard time believing any Tribe coach would tolerate that. Coaches and players own this mess and each really needs to look in the mirror.

Did I mention the MBB players? Nice to see them hanging out together.

I was on the fence as players exited the field. I did not see any players yelling at any of our coaches.

I saw frustration and disappointment.

As someone already said. This is a time for every player and every coach to look in the mirror and decide how they want this year to finish. No finger pointing, just look in the mirror and decide. Do be the guy my teammates/players need, or not.

The talent is there.

Am I coachable?

Am I coaching as good as I can?

There are players that will sacrifice to improvre. I’d put my money them.

(09-29-2018 08:18 PM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Sad, sad night at Zable tonight. No sense rehashing what everyone else has said other than to note again how far we've fallen in just three years.

(09-29-2018 08:32 PM)tribefbfan Wrote:  There is so much I’d like to say, but it is better left unsaid.

There is no one on this board that can convince me that Colgate has more talent on the field than we did.

That was a totally winnable game. Tribe teams of the not-so-distant past would have won that game with ease, going away. I would somehow find a way to get the ball in Dedmon's hands on every single play (even if he does sometimes fumble; at least he is trying). (and, no, I am not being literal about every play ...although I would if he could)

I need to see the roughing the kicker play again. I couldn't tell if it was a good call or not when I saw it live. Naturally there was no replay in the stadium (nor of the Dedmon fumble which they took a long time to review). If the roughing was legit then it was stupid - but, again, at least that player was trying.

Was the missed FG good? It looked good from my vantage point (50 yards away). If it was a miss then we need to be holding tryouts for a new kicker.

Re the new head coach: I only hope we can get someone who can engineer a quick (but complete) turnaround (a la what Houston did at JMU). I don't want someone who expects 3 years to "bring in my own guys" before they even start to be competitive. If it takes at least 3 years to rebuild then that will really be 6 years since we last had a decent team. Too darn long in Tribe land. I may not live that long. (And a bunch of folks on this board are already saying that "the talent is there", so if that is true then we really could rebound quickly if the players get the right motivation).

Attendance was a surprisingly decent 9100. Perhaps the sole positive note of a bad night.

There is a bevy of issues:

First, your coaching legend announced his retirement before the season, but with no either "Head Coach in Waiting" or replacement announced, you have pretty much blown the recruiting cycle. Nobody in their right mind would send their kid to WM to play football at this point, with no knowledge of who is coming in.
Second, about "who is coming in", right now the program is a nuclear wasteland, most of, if not the entire staff are going to be gone, which means these guys are working on resumes and game planning, and I don't know about any of you, but I am going to be a little more concerned about my future than what is going on in the present. That said, JL leaves it in way better shape than when he came in, so it is an attractive job, especially for a younger guy looking to work his way up.

As for this season, I would expect the highest energy game to be the last one against Richmond, because it will be "Goodbye" (and because it is Richmond).

Feel bad I missed yesterday, but travel soccer takes no prisoners.

(09-30-2018 11:22 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  There is a bevy of issues:

First, your coaching legend announced his retirement before the season, but with no either "Head Coach in Waiting" or replacement announced, you have pretty much blown the recruiting cycle. Nobody in their right mind would send their kid to WM to play football at this point, with no knowledge of who is coming in.
Second, about "who is coming in", right now the program is a nuclear wasteland, most of, if not the entire staff are going to be gone, which means these guys are working on resumes and game planning, and I don't know about any of you, but I am going to be a little more concerned about my future than what is going on in the present. That said, JL leaves it in way better shape than when he came in, so it is an attractive job, especially for a younger guy looking to work his way up.

As for this season, I would expect the highest energy game to be the last one against Richmond, because it will be "Goodbye" (and because it is Richmond).

Feel bad I missed yesterday, but travel soccer takes no prisoners.

All true and well said. Particularly the part about soccer.

3 really bad years in a row is going to take away any enthusiasm of students (and probably locals) to support the team for the rest of this season and probably several seasons to come.

Somebody asked the last time we were shutout twice in a row...

You have to go back to 1979 when we lost at home to Rutgers 24-0, and the following game on the road atDelaware 40-0. By the way, Jimmye arrived the following season as the new head coach.

However, if you want really bad take a look at the 1912 team: that tortured team played and lost seven games..all shutouts!!! That included shutout losses to such powerhouses as the Norfolk Academy (13-0),
the University College of Medicine (20-0) and a 66-0 loss to the Virginia Medical College. The latter two losses were, to add insult to injury, both W&M home games.

The 1915 team was also blanked seven times but did tie a game (0-0 against some team called the Richmond Blurs) while losing eight contests.

Soooooo...as bad as it is right now it could be much worse.

(09-29-2018 10:45 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(09-29-2018 08:32 PM)tribefbfan Wrote:  There is so much I’d like to say, but it is better left unsaid.

There is no one on this board that can convince me that Colgate has more talent on the field than we did.

Our OL looked 2" taller and 30 lbs heavier than Colgate's DL. A CAA front line should've steamrolled that DL. Seems we've had an awful time rushing after the initial drive vs Bucknell.

I could go on a serious tangent but it comes down to a few points and I hate to say it:

JL picked a good time to retire because I think there is a great chance that Huge would have fire him in November. She has already demonstrated a willingness to relieve entrenched personnel of their duties. I don't think any coach should feel safe in their position at W&M.

Our DEs need to regroup. Just nowhere near enough edge rush. I believe we have one...one sack for the entire season and that was at the hands of a DT. That's not okay. It's been 4 year since we had a sack specialist and we miss that level of pressure.

Our OL needs to take every opportunity to improve/gel over the next 7 months. I think they will. Same for Shon and, again, I think he will.

I will never name names, but a few guys have really disappointed over the past few years. I expected a lot more out of them and I think they had the potential to be great. So much talent.

I didn't think it could get much worse than 2-9 but we are headed down that road. We haven't played a good game yet and have been flat humiliated by two FCS squads.

There isn't a player on this roster who has earned the right to yell at any coach and I have a very hard time believing any Tribe coach would tolerate that. Coaches and players own this mess and each really needs to look in the mirror.

Did I mention the MBB players? Nice to see them hanging out together.

I agree we don’t have a sack specialist on this squad. Not sure the guys out there will actually turn into a that either. But there are really good linemen on that team, including the DEs, all playing pretty well. At some point we need to dial up the pressure on defense through scheme. At JMU you could watch the game and know all they were worried about was containing Dinucci in the pocket. And I watched the whole game last night. If there were 5 pass plays that could have even offered an opportunity for a sack I would be surprise. They got one. One throw away due to pressure. Those I remember. The rest were quick easy hits because we are playing 15 yards off. Bring the backers. Bring Jones! He’s great off the edge and we are basically not using him.

But you are correct. It is truly mirror time. Hard work, I’m sure, is not lacking. Working on the right things is the major need at this point. I think the posts earlier about the kids not playing hard are unwarrented. I truly believe we dial up the aggressiveness of the game plans on both sides of the ball we will get results.

(09-30-2018 11:37 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  3 really bad years in a row is going to take away any enthusiasm of students (and probably locals) to support the team for the rest of this season and probably several seasons to come.

To me this is actually probably the biggest loss from not getting a cupcake game at home for the home opener this year. I don't know what it was like years, or decades, ago, but there is really very little sports culture here. There is very little awareness even. I'm glad that I got to see the 2015 season, but even that year a lot of people were under the misimpression that we were a very bad team. A lot of students missed out on seeing a very good team that year because of that perception. These last two years have just encouraged it. People aren't thrilled when we blow out a team from a school most have never heard of (Norfolk St), but at least they get the impression that our team can be fun to watch. I know there is nothing we could do this year, but I found it odd that even the intended home opener against Elon would have been a challenging game. I'm all in favor of the cupcake openers.

On a lite side, I spy one of our messageboard's own:

https://twitter.com/CAAFootball/status/1...40802?s=19

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The last W&M game I missed was the last time we got beat at home by a PL squad. So I guess I will take the blame for this one.

On a more serious note, I hope whoever the new coach is brings in a new OC.

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