(09-26-2018 08:05 AM)marcuscan Wrote: Easy Edsall made life hard on 2 programs by going to Maryland. Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but how did he think Maryland was gonna be a big upgrade over life at UCONN?
There are some coaches who likely won't ever be able to be a head coach passed a certain level. I always think of guys like Jones, Edsall, and Schiano. All three had a pretty good thing going and they opted for a bigger payday and failed.
I always wonder what would have happened at some programs if their coach had stayed and continued to build like Peterson, and Patterson have done.
Its beyond the point. I expect UCONN will play us tough, but I think our Defense will show back up and make life difficult for them to move the ball.
Much like, the Peter Principle in business, college head coaches rise to their highest level of incompetence. It's hard for anyone to turn down an offer that doubles their earnings and strokes the ego with the illusion (for most) of winning a national championship in the "P5".
I've often wondered if, for example, Butch Jones had stayed at UC. Could he have done what Frank Beamer did by staying at Virginia Tech? Regularly winning conference, annual bowl trips, top 25 rankings most years? It's hard to say now with the P5/G5 divide. But then again, coaches were still getting plucked from the Big East in the BCS 6 period for the premier jobs and that will always happen.
That's why I liked it when UC hired Fickell. There are no guarantees in this regard, but he certainly has a deeper Ohio connection than his recent predecessors and may stay long enough to build something special.
The problem is you never know if you're a guy who can make it at the next step until you give it a go. And most of those guys can resurface at the level they came from if they don't make it.
I do think UCONN would have dropped off from where Edsall had them anyway. There's a lot of limitations there that made competing for league championships regularly unsustainable.
(09-26-2018 10:20 AM)RealDeal Wrote: The problem is you never know if you're a guy who can make it at the next step until you give it a go. And most of those guys can resurface at the level they came from if they don't make it.
Yep. No different for those of us working stiffs that strive to move up to better job opportunities and better pay/benefits. It's human nature to want more and to accept a bigger challenge.
(09-26-2018 10:20 AM)RealDeal Wrote: The problem is you never know if you're a guy who can make it at the next step until you give it a go. And most of those guys can resurface at the level they came from if they don't make it.
I do think UCONN would have dropped off from where Edsall had them anyway. There's a lot of limitations there that made competing for league championships regularly unsustainable.
UConn peaked in the Big East at 9-3 in 2007, losing the tiebreaker to WVU and actually knocked us out of the tie with a young BK coached team.
They backed into the BCS at 8-4 in 2010 because of a 3 way tie in the Big East.
UConn finished 5th or worst every other year, they weren't exactly a picture of success.
(09-26-2018 10:20 AM)RealDeal Wrote: The problem is you never know if you're a guy who can make it at the next step until you give it a go. And most of those guys can resurface at the level they came from if they don't make it.
I do think UCONN would have dropped off from where Edsall had them anyway. There's a lot of limitations there that made competing for league championships regularly unsustainable.
UConn peaked in the Big East at 9-3 in 2007, losing the tiebreaker to WVU and actually knocked us out of the tie with a young BK coached team.
They backed into the BCS at 8-4 in 2010 because of a 3 way tie in the Big East.
UConn finished 5th or worst every other year, they weren't exactly a picture of success.
I don't think this is a fair assertion. The wheels fell off as soon as Edsall left. It's possible that he saw the writing on the wall and left before he had a down year, but he had the program at a much higher level than it is now. Before he left they had 8+ wins 5 out of 7 seasons. He was doing something right. Maybe UCONN can't get over that hump as geography and culture don't dictate a lot of college football success in that part of America, but they were a tough opponent and playing in bowl games.
I am sure the UCONN fans would love to string together a couple 8 win seasons again.
(09-26-2018 10:20 AM)RealDeal Wrote: The problem is you never know if you're a guy who can make it at the next step until you give it a go. And most of those guys can resurface at the level they came from if they don't make it.
I do think UCONN would have dropped off from where Edsall had them anyway. There's a lot of limitations there that made competing for league championships regularly unsustainable.
UConn peaked in the Big East at 9-3 in 2007, losing the tiebreaker to WVU and actually knocked us out of the tie with a young BK coached team.
They backed into the BCS at 8-4 in 2010 because of a 3 way tie in the Big East.
UConn finished 5th or worst every other year, they weren't exactly a picture of success.
I don't think this is a fair assertion. The wheels fell off as soon as Edsall left. It's possible that he saw the writing on the wall and left before he had a down year, but he had the program at a much higher level than it is now. Before he left they had 8+ wins 5 out of 7 seasons. He was doing something right. Maybe UCONN can't get over that hump as geography and culture don't dictate a lot of college football success in that part of America, but they were a tough opponent and playing in bowl games.
I am sure the UCONN fans would love to string together a couple 8 win seasons again.
Edsall did a pretty fine job the first go round, considering the many challenges he faced in trying to compete in the BCS 6 as a program with little history, poor natural recruiting territory and no on-campus stadium.
Back then, he did have some regional rivals to play in Syracuse and Rutgers along with better bowl affiliations in the BE. I'm not sure he can put that toothpaste back in the tube and prosper in 2018.
(09-26-2018 10:20 AM)RealDeal Wrote: The problem is you never know if you're a guy who can make it at the next step until you give it a go. And most of those guys can resurface at the level they came from if they don't make it.
I do think UCONN would have dropped off from where Edsall had them anyway. There's a lot of limitations there that made competing for league championships regularly unsustainable.
UConn peaked in the Big East at 9-3 in 2007, losing the tiebreaker to WVU and actually knocked us out of the tie with a young BK coached team.
They backed into the BCS at 8-4 in 2010 because of a 3 way tie in the Big East.
UConn finished 5th or worst every other year, they weren't exactly a picture of success.
I don't think this is a fair assertion. The wheels fell off as soon as Edsall left. It's possible that he saw the writing on the wall and left before he had a down year, but he had the program at a much higher level than it is now. Before he left they had 8+ wins 5 out of 7 seasons. He was doing something right. Maybe UCONN can't get over that hump as geography and culture don't dictate a lot of college football success in that part of America, but they were a tough opponent and playing in bowl games.
I am sure the UCONN fans would love to string together a couple 8 win seasons again.
Edsall did a pretty fine job the first go round, considering the many challenges he faced in trying to compete in the BCS 6 as a program with little history, poor natural recruiting territory and no on-campus stadium.
Back then, he did have some regional rivals to play in Syracuse and Rutgers along with better bowl affiliations in the BE. I'm not sure he can put that toothpaste back in the tube and prosper in 2018.
Agree with these last 2 posts.
Considering UCONN came up from Div 1A/ FCS/ whatever TF it was called at the time, Edsall was doing a pretty amazing job. Hence the offer at Maryland.
FWIW, i'm so thankful that Butch Jones moved on. I think Tubs made it easy for us to forget how much of a numbskull CBJ was. He wasn't going to replicate what came before him, and he exactly do a great job of leaving behind a thriving program like his predecessors. He had a knack for losing truly key games (namely conference games), and winning those with good optics, but ultimately less meaning (bowl games). Of course all of this was further exposed at UT. so there's that. I do believe he's likely best suited for a level of competition just below UC/ AAC, however it's likely he gets a job somewhere else above that and does juuuuuust enough for a fair amount of time.
(09-26-2018 08:43 AM)Banter Wrote: I always wonder what would have happened at some programs if their coach had stayed and continued to build like Peterson, and Patterson have done.
Patterson is still doing it. Peterson stayed at Boise longer than people expected but is at Washington now, doing a really good job. I bet Gary Patterson would be elsewhere if TCU wasn't in the Big 12. I could be wrong (he has been at TCU since 2000). He definitely isn't the norm though.
(09-26-2018 10:06 AM)OKIcat Wrote: That's why I liked it when UC hired Fickell. There are no guarantees in this regard, but he certainly has a deeper Ohio connection than his recent predecessors and may stay long enough to build something special.
LOL. If he Kelly's - 4 years total. If he Tubberville's - 5 years. If he Minter's - lifetime contract.
(09-26-2018 10:20 AM)RealDeal Wrote: The problem is you never know if you're a guy who can make it at the next step until you give it a go. And most of those guys can resurface at the level they came from if they don't make it.
I do think UCONN would have dropped off from where Edsall had them anyway. There's a lot of limitations there that made competing for league championships regularly unsustainable.
UConn peaked in the Big East at 9-3 in 2007, losing the tiebreaker to WVU and actually knocked us out of the tie with a young BK coached team.
They backed into the BCS at 8-4 in 2010 because of a 3 way tie in the Big East.
UConn finished 5th or worst every other year, they weren't exactly a picture of success.
I don't think this is a fair assertion. The wheels fell off as soon as Edsall left. It's possible that he saw the writing on the wall and left before he had a down year, but he had the program at a much higher level than it is now. Before he left they had 8+ wins 5 out of 7 seasons. He was doing something right. Maybe UCONN can't get over that hump as geography and culture don't dictate a lot of college football success in that part of America, but they were a tough opponent and playing in bowl games.
I am sure the UCONN fans would love to string together a couple 8 win seasons again.
Edsall did a pretty fine job the first go round, considering the many challenges he faced in trying to compete in the BCS 6 as a program with little history, poor natural recruiting territory and no on-campus stadium.
Back then, he did have some regional rivals to play in Syracuse and Rutgers along with better bowl affiliations in the BE. I'm not sure he can put that toothpaste back in the tube and prosper in 2018.
Agree with these last 2 posts.
Considering UCONN came up from Div 1A/ FCS/ whatever TF it was called at the time, Edsall was doing a pretty amazing job. Hence the offer at Maryland.
FWIW, i'm so thankful that Butch Jones moved on. I think Tubs made it easy for us to forget how much of a numbskull CBJ was. He wasn't going to replicate what came before him, and he exactly do a great job of leaving behind a thriving program like his predecessors. He had a knack for losing truly key games (namely conference games), and winning those with good optics, but ultimately less meaning (bowl games). Of course all of this was further exposed at UT. so there's that. I do believe he's likely best suited for a level of competition just below UC/ AAC, however it's likely he gets a job somewhere else above that and does juuuuuust enough for a fair amount of time.
mc
Agree that Butch wasn't built to sustain those 10-3 seasons he had in 2011 and 2012. We had some exceptional talent on those rosters-- some all-timers: Pead, Winn, Collaros, Travis Kelce, Derek Wolf, John Hughes, Walter Stewart, etc. As much as we want to blame Tubs for stinking up the joint (which he did), outside of WR CBJ did not build for sustained success in the ensuing seasons.
Just a hunch but I see Butch at ECU or Memphis next year if Norvell moves on.
Quote:Randy Edsall Passionately Defends Coordinator: 'If Things Aren't Going The Right Way, Then Fire My ---'
A day after walking away from his press conference following a question about midseason coordinator firings, UConn coach Randy Edsall said blame for any issues facing the Huskies should fall solely on him.
“If anyone wants to write anything, it’s not the assistant coaches, it’s not the players,” Edsall said. “I’m the head coach, I’m the guy the guy responsible, and if things aren’t going the right way, then fire my ass. It’s as simple as that.”
Edsall was not scheduled to speak with the media Wednesday, but he held a brief, impromptu press conference to address a situation that bubbled into a national story Tuesday.
The saga began when a reporter brought up Wake Forest’s decision to fire its defensive coordinator and asked Edsall for his “philosophy” on midseason staff changes. The question’s unstated implication was that UConn might consider a change at defensive coordinator, where Billy Crocker has presided over the nation’s worst defense. In response, Edsall announced he was “done” with the press conference and walked away, after about 24 minutes at the podium. Video of the exchange quickly wound up on ESPN, Deadspin, Yahoo and other national outlets.
On Wednesday, a clearly agitated Edsall said that he stands by his approach to rebuilding the UConn program but that anyone who objects should look first in his direction.
“I’m making decisions based on what I think is best for this program, and if things don’t measure up, fire me,” he said. “I’m not going to stop doing things the way I think is right, and I’m going to do it the way I want, and I’ve got the people in place.”
As for the original question from Tuesday, about midseason coordinator firings, Edsall said he does not support the practice.
“It’s just very evident to me college athletics isn’t what it used to be,” Edsall said. “We’re more like the NFL, where you want to let people go in the middle of the season. It’s just disappointing to see where college athletics has headed. It’s just a big business.”
UConn will host Cincinnati on Saturday, looking to improve on its 1-3 record.
(09-26-2018 06:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: What's that Glenn Frey song, The Heat Is On?
Quote:Randy Edsall Passionately Defends Coordinator: 'If Things Aren't Going The Right Way, Then Fire My ---'
A day after walking away from his press conference following a question about midseason coordinator firings, UConn coach Randy Edsall said blame for any issues facing the Huskies should fall solely on him.
“If anyone wants to write anything, it’s not the assistant coaches, it’s not the players,” Edsall said. “I’m the head coach, I’m the guy the guy responsible, and if things aren’t going the right way, then fire my ass. It’s as simple as that.”
Edsall was not scheduled to speak with the media Wednesday, but he held a brief, impromptu press conference to address a situation that bubbled into a national story Tuesday.
The saga began when a reporter brought up Wake Forest’s decision to fire its defensive coordinator and asked Edsall for his “philosophy” on midseason staff changes. The question’s unstated implication was that UConn might consider a change at defensive coordinator, where Billy Crocker has presided over the nation’s worst defense. In response, Edsall announced he was “done” with the press conference and walked away, after about 24 minutes at the podium. Video of the exchange quickly wound up on ESPN, Deadspin, Yahoo and other national outlets.
On Wednesday, a clearly agitated Edsall said that he stands by his approach to rebuilding the UConn program but that anyone who objects should look first in his direction.
“I’m making decisions based on what I think is best for this program, and if things don’t measure up, fire me,” he said. “I’m not going to stop doing things the way I think is right, and I’m going to do it the way I want, and I’ve got the people in place.”
As for the original question from Tuesday, about midseason coordinator firings, Edsall said he does not support the practice.
“It’s just very evident to me college athletics isn’t what it used to be,” Edsall said. “We’re more like the NFL, where you want to let people go in the middle of the season. It’s just disappointing to see where college athletics has headed. It’s just a big business.”
UConn will host Cincinnati on Saturday, looking to improve on its 1-3 record.
Amused by Edsall's comments. Acting like he's disappointed about the state of affairs in college football. He left UConn to follow the $$$ several years ago. He should know better than anybody that college football is a big business.
Edsall, 58, will make less than he did in the final year of his first stint at UConn ($1.55 million in 2010), and less than both coaches to hold the position since he left following the 2010 season to become coach at Maryland, where he reportedly made $2.1 million in 2015.
Paul Pasqualoni was paid $1.5 million by UConn in 2011 and $1.7 million in 2013, when he was fired. Diaco made $1.1 million in 2014 and, after renegotiating and signing a new contract before this past season, $1.7 million in 2016. Diaco, fired Dec. 26, is due a $3.4 million buyout.
(09-26-2018 06:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: What's that Glenn Frey song, The Heat Is On?
Quote:Randy Edsall Passionately Defends Coordinator: 'If Things Aren't Going The Right Way, Then Fire My ---'
A day after walking away from his press conference following a question about midseason coordinator firings, UConn coach Randy Edsall said blame for any issues facing the Huskies should fall solely on him.
“If anyone wants to write anything, it’s not the assistant coaches, it’s not the players,” Edsall said. “I’m the head coach, I’m the guy the guy responsible, and if things aren’t going the right way, then fire my ass. It’s as simple as that.”
Edsall was not scheduled to speak with the media Wednesday, but he held a brief, impromptu press conference to address a situation that bubbled into a national story Tuesday.
The saga began when a reporter brought up Wake Forest’s decision to fire its defensive coordinator and asked Edsall for his “philosophy” on midseason staff changes. The question’s unstated implication was that UConn might consider a change at defensive coordinator, where Billy Crocker has presided over the nation’s worst defense. In response, Edsall announced he was “done” with the press conference and walked away, after about 24 minutes at the podium. Video of the exchange quickly wound up on ESPN, Deadspin, Yahoo and other national outlets.
On Wednesday, a clearly agitated Edsall said that he stands by his approach to rebuilding the UConn program but that anyone who objects should look first in his direction.
“I’m making decisions based on what I think is best for this program, and if things don’t measure up, fire me,” he said. “I’m not going to stop doing things the way I think is right, and I’m going to do it the way I want, and I’ve got the people in place.”
As for the original question from Tuesday, about midseason coordinator firings, Edsall said he does not support the practice.
“It’s just very evident to me college athletics isn’t what it used to be,” Edsall said. “We’re more like the NFL, where you want to let people go in the middle of the season. It’s just disappointing to see where college athletics has headed. It’s just a big business.”
UConn will host Cincinnati on Saturday, looking to improve on its 1-3 record.
(09-26-2018 06:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: What's that Glenn Frey song, The Heat Is On?
Quote:Randy Edsall Passionately Defends Coordinator: 'If Things Aren't Going The Right Way, Then Fire My ---'
A day after walking away from his press conference following a question about midseason coordinator firings, UConn coach Randy Edsall said blame for any issues facing the Huskies should fall solely on him.
“If anyone wants to write anything, it’s not the assistant coaches, it’s not the players,” Edsall said. “I’m the head coach, I’m the guy the guy responsible, and if things aren’t going the right way, then fire my ass. It’s as simple as that.”
Edsall was not scheduled to speak with the media Wednesday, but he held a brief, impromptu press conference to address a situation that bubbled into a national story Tuesday.
The saga began when a reporter brought up Wake Forest’s decision to fire its defensive coordinator and asked Edsall for his “philosophy” on midseason staff changes. The question’s unstated implication was that UConn might consider a change at defensive coordinator, where Billy Crocker has presided over the nation’s worst defense. In response, Edsall announced he was “done” with the press conference and walked away, after about 24 minutes at the podium. Video of the exchange quickly wound up on ESPN, Deadspin, Yahoo and other national outlets.
On Wednesday, a clearly agitated Edsall said that he stands by his approach to rebuilding the UConn program but that anyone who objects should look first in his direction.
“I’m making decisions based on what I think is best for this program, and if things don’t measure up, fire me,” he said. “I’m not going to stop doing things the way I think is right, and I’m going to do it the way I want, and I’ve got the people in place.”
As for the original question from Tuesday, about midseason coordinator firings, Edsall said he does not support the practice.
“It’s just very evident to me college athletics isn’t what it used to be,” Edsall said. “We’re more like the NFL, where you want to let people go in the middle of the season. It’s just disappointing to see where college athletics has headed. It’s just a big business.”
UConn will host Cincinnati on Saturday, looking to improve on its 1-3 record.
He won't be so tough after another couple of years of this crap.
Oh, I am pretty sure UConn WILL get better under Edsall. He's recruiting the OLine guys he will need and if he can beef them up and strengthen the crop he just brought in, he'll have a formidable line in a couple of years.
UConn will be more than fine over the long haul. This year is a lost cause, however.
(09-26-2018 06:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: What's that Glenn Frey song, The Heat Is On?
Quote:Randy Edsall Passionately Defends Coordinator: 'If Things Aren't Going The Right Way, Then Fire My ---'
A day after walking away from his press conference following a question about midseason coordinator firings, UConn coach Randy Edsall said blame for any issues facing the Huskies should fall solely on him.
“If anyone wants to write anything, it’s not the assistant coaches, it’s not the players,” Edsall said. “I’m the head coach, I’m the guy the guy responsible, and if things aren’t going the right way, then fire my ass. It’s as simple as that.”
Edsall was not scheduled to speak with the media Wednesday, but he held a brief, impromptu press conference to address a situation that bubbled into a national story Tuesday.
The saga began when a reporter brought up Wake Forest’s decision to fire its defensive coordinator and asked Edsall for his “philosophy” on midseason staff changes. The question’s unstated implication was that UConn might consider a change at defensive coordinator, where Billy Crocker has presided over the nation’s worst defense. In response, Edsall announced he was “done” with the press conference and walked away, after about 24 minutes at the podium. Video of the exchange quickly wound up on ESPN, Deadspin, Yahoo and other national outlets.
On Wednesday, a clearly agitated Edsall said that he stands by his approach to rebuilding the UConn program but that anyone who objects should look first in his direction.
“I’m making decisions based on what I think is best for this program, and if things don’t measure up, fire me,” he said. “I’m not going to stop doing things the way I think is right, and I’m going to do it the way I want, and I’ve got the people in place.”
As for the original question from Tuesday, about midseason coordinator firings, Edsall said he does not support the practice.
“It’s just very evident to me college athletics isn’t what it used to be,” Edsall said. “We’re more like the NFL, where you want to let people go in the middle of the season. It’s just disappointing to see where college athletics has headed. It’s just a big business.”
UConn will host Cincinnati on Saturday, looking to improve on its 1-3 record.
He is completely disingenuous. He had no problem cashing big checks for substandard performance at Maryland. Hard to feel sympathy for any college coach. If it were not for the "big business" of college athletics, Randy would be teaching PE to high school students.
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