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TITLE IX COMES CALLING
When all is said and done — how to pay for it is still the REALITY. Of course Title IX has never had anything to do with the reality of college athletics revenues generated and corresponding dollars spent.


https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Educati...21/ETSU-14
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09-22-2018 07:34 AM
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(09-22-2018 07:34 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  When all is said and done — how to pay for it is still the REALITY. Of course Title IX has never had anything to do with the reality of college athletics revenues generated and corresponding dollars spent.


https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Educati...21/ETSU-14

It was never intended to focus exclusively on college athletic revenues. Title IX is far larger than college athletics. To quote from the Justice Department...

Title IX is a comprehensive federal law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in any federally funded education program or activity.

Title IX Overview
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09-22-2018 08:09 AM
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Partial retrospective about adding other women's sports:

ideas from 3 years ago
09-22-2018 08:12 AM
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RE: TITLE IX COMES CALLING
(09-22-2018 07:34 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  When all is said and done — how to pay for it is still the REALITY. Of course Title IX has never had anything to do with the reality of college athletics revenues generated and corresponding dollars spent.


https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Educati...21/ETSU-14

Bucs should look to and align themselves with the other state schools in Tennessee like Austin Peay, Tenn Tech, etc. They are all similar state schools that play FCS football. I think we need to emulate them in compliance issues.
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No surprise here, they’ve been talking about this since football came back. Sander has talked a couple of times about potential sports they might add. I think I’ve heard lacrosse, rowing, and one other I can’t remember. The good thing is neither of those would require new facilities. He also mentioned roster management, which I assume means maxing out scholarships in select women’s sports? Anyway, I think they’ve been planning for this since 2013.
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(09-22-2018 08:41 AM)Efan Wrote:  No surprise here, they’ve been talking about this since football came back. Sander has talked a couple of times about potential sports they might add. I think I’ve heard lacrosse, rowing, and one other I can’t remember. The good thing is neither of those would require new facilities. He also mentioned roster management, which I assume means maxing out scholarships in select women’s sports? Anyway, I think they’ve been planning for this since 2013.

From the article I linked above, which you apparently didn't take time to (re-)read:

"Other new women’s sports being considered are beach volleyball, bowling, lacrosse, rifle, field hockey and crew. Lacrosse and field hockey seem like longshots because there would be a very small pool of in-state athletes to recruit."
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(09-22-2018 08:54 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(09-22-2018 08:41 AM)Efan Wrote:  No surprise here, they’ve been talking about this since football came back. Sander has talked a couple of times about potential sports they might add. I think I’ve heard lacrosse, rowing, and one other I can’t remember. The good thing is neither of those would require new facilities. He also mentioned roster management, which I assume means maxing out scholarships in select women’s sports? Anyway, I think they’ve been planning for this since 2013.

From the article I linked above, which you apparently didn't take time to (re-)read:

"Other new women’s sports being considered are beach volleyball, bowling, lacrosse, rifle, field hockey and crew. Lacrosse and field hockey seem like longshots because there would be a very small pool of in-state athletes to recruit."

You would be correct. I was in a hurry.
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(09-22-2018 08:54 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(09-22-2018 08:41 AM)Efan Wrote:  No surprise here, they’ve been talking about this since football came back. Sander has talked a couple of times about potential sports they might add. I think I’ve heard lacrosse, rowing, and one other I can’t remember. The good thing is neither of those would require new facilities. He also mentioned roster management, which I assume means maxing out scholarships in select women’s sports? Anyway, I think they’ve been planning for this since 2013.

From the article I linked above, which you apparently didn't take time to (re-)read:

"Other new women’s sports being considered are beach volleyball, bowling, lacrosse, rifle, field hockey and crew. Lacrosse and field hockey seem like longshots because there would be a very small pool of in-state athletes to recruit."

Being Buccaneers, it would obviously be Beach Volleyball.
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This is an interesting conundrum. With the exception of lacrosse, a new women's sport would likely mean joining a different conference in that sport. The SOCON sponsors lacrosse as a women's sport, with three traditional in-conference schools joined by three northern schools. The SOCON also has rifle -- rifle is technically considered a men's sport by the NCAA but it is actually coed; however, the added scholarship numbers for rifle would not be significant, so the new sport probably won't be rifle.

The OVC doesn't offer any women's sports that the SOCON doesn't have, so scratch the OVC. We could join the SEC in women's gymnastics; the SEC also has women's swimming & diving, but we don't have a facility. UT has rowing, but it is in the Big 12 for that sport and that's obviously a lot of travel. Beach volleyball is an ASUN sport. The Atlantic 10 and ACC have field hockey.

We used to have women's gymnastics, briefly back during the Beller years. Swimming & diving and gymnastics are the only potential women's sports that have a significant number of girls participating locally, at least in high school and club and private gyms. I don't know any local high schools or clubs locally that have field hockey or lacrosse teams, so recruiting would be a lot of out of state or middle Tennessee for those sports.

It is an interesting issue... do you add a sport that potentially brings in area girls or mostly out of state? Do you stay within the SOCON or join a different conference, and if so, would they have us?
09-25-2018 07:52 AM
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1. Good questions, many of which have been debated previously. I do know *very* serious consideration was given to adding rowing back when the decision to add football back was being made, for these same Title IX reasons. I believe Sander was in on those discussions, but don't remember for sure. The lake at Warrior's Path had been chosen as the probable site had that come to fruition; boat prices, gear, etc., had been priced, as I recall. Curiously...………..Wayne Basler has been a huge contributor to the rowing program at UT -- as in the boathouse is named for him. (Knowledgeable followers of ETSU will know that name well.) Perhaps he would be open to making a sizable donation to start a program here??

2. By coincidence, and only tangentially, one of those weekend PBS shows Sunday(?) had a feature on the UT swimming and diving coach (or maybe just the diving coach, Dave Parrington). South African 1980 Olympian. It wasn't about the UT facilities, but they just happened to show many of them. Really stunning how high-level all that is. I know they've been nationally competitive for a very long time, but the amount of money to get in that game is pretty high, I believe. Remember, they made the CPA pool too short by some small increment just so it would NOT ever be used for intercollegiate competitions.

3. Gymnastics makes sense, as would rifle - altho can one 'discriminate' on the rifle team? I don't think so. That may be almost counterproductive from the Title IX standpoint, altho the case could accurately be made for "opportunity", etc. We already have a range; normally the participants already have their own (extremely expensive) rifles. Seems reasonably cheap to get into that game, not to mention our long legacy from earlier times.

4a. ETSU could lobby for inclusion of disc golf to become an NCAA sport. We've been quite successful in recent years - altho I think we only finished a disappointing (about) 15th this past Spring. Our worst in a long time.
4b. See above, for mountain biking. Milligan, after all, has been extraordinarily successful in that - for women. The National Collegiate Cycling Association 'runs' it at the collegiate level. Also having teams near here are King (or at least they did), Mars Hill, Brevard, Warren Wilson, and Union (the one in KY). Again easy to get that rolling more officially. Not sure whether these two could be figured in to Title IX calculations or not. Just an idea.

5. NCAA recognizes *only* women's bowling as a recognized sport - not men's. This would really help the Title IX calculations, and would be cheap, but it's also really quite the "What, bowling?" kind of thing, too.

6. [non-PC] statement of levity(?)………
Would it not be way cool if our beach volleyball team was called "the Wenches"? One could make that case for all of the women's teams, but it would really fit for beach volleyball best, of course. And to be clear...…..this is very much tongue-in-cheek!
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