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(10-05-2018 07:11 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Big 8 schools would have added Arkansas in a second if they wanted to go there.


Not according to Broyles.


And then there was the prospect that the SWC might fall out from under him.

"I knew there were going to be changes," he said. "We had to protect our status, our reputation."

With his president's blessings, Broyles said he discussed his plans with Texas and A&M, which both showed "great interest," then initiated talks with the SEC in 1987 or '88.

Only Texas and A&M didn't follow his lead. Broyles was told that political pressures kept both from leaving without Baylor, which seems likely.

But what if Arkansas had remained in the SWC and become part of the Big 12?

"I was told by people in the Big 12 after the fact that we would not have been included," he said. "Baylor and Texas Tech had political power. We didn't. The Big 8 was only going to take four teams from the SWC.

"I was told there was no way they'd have taken us."


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RE: What if Georgia Tech and Tulane had never left the SEC?
(09-20-2018 08:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 03:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 02:44 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-19-2018 08:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-19-2018 07:17 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  Add Missouri to that as well. GT is number 25 all time based on AP poll appearances. They’re a mid pack SEC program.

My point is they add nothing to the SEC financially, therefore the share they would get would not be earned. The SEC has slightly over 50% of the Atlanta market with UGA and 85% of the rest of the state.

Let's put this another way there are only 13 schools in the P5 that earn less than 90 million.

SEC: Vanderbilt 80.3 million

B1G: Purdue 84.8 million
Northwestern 84.28 million

Big 12: Texas Tech 88.8 million
Kansas State 86.08 million
Iowa State 82.66 million

PAC: Utah 83.67 million
Oregon State 78.96 million
Washington State 64.3 million

ACC: Virginia Tech 89.43 million
Miami 89.14 million
Pittsburgh 84.83 million
N.C. State 83.74 million
Georgia Tech 81.76 million
Boston College 74.54 million
Wake Forest 67.0 million

The 52 schools ahead of them (including N.D.) are the upper tier of the P5.
These 13 schools are the tweeners between the upper tier of the P5 and the upper tier of the G5 with only UConn crossing the boundary.

What truly makes these schools tweeners is that they don't have subsidy levels of 25% to pad their revenue numbers. All below them do.

It doesn't matter that Purdue, Northwestern and Vanderbilt are grandfathered into the two healthiest conferences.

For the purpose of the OP had Georgia Tech and Tulane stayed in the SEC they too would be grandfathered in. Perhaps Tech would have had sufficient revenue to have kept up their once stellar record in football. But their program has been financially strapped now for more than the last decade. My remarks were to merely point out that they bring nothing to the SEC today that Georgia doesn't already provide. Tulane would be even a bigger drag on the present SEC payout. These schools are deficient by SEC standards in size of venue, and accordingly in attendance, and obviously aren't generating the donation levels to remain competitive in the SEC. So they don't add to our attendance average, the don't add to our gross total revenue, and they don't bring a needed market.

Sure if the SEC were reborn today there would be fewer 2nd state schools in the conference. But it's not be reborn. And those who chose to leave in the 1960's screwed the pooch. We don't need Georgia Tech and we don't need Tulane.

One is now solidly out of the P5 and the other is just staying above the Mendoza line of college football. Georgia Tech is now 59th out of the 65 so called A5 or P5 schools. They are ahead of Vanderbilt, Oregon State, Boston College, Wake Forest, and Washington State in descending order.

So my remarks were not meant to disparage what are 2 fine academic institutions, but merely to say that since neither of them would add anything to the bottom line of SEC athletics they would be a drain on resources.

Those revenue figures include -- heavily -- TV dollars. And we all know which conference is going to look lackluster in that at this moment. Also those figures will be with AD Bobinski the brainless. The new guy at AD is doing good work bringing money in the door.

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Would GT add revenue to the SEC TV contracts? No. Should the TV cable model collapse might that change? Absolutely. And that's before we get into Fuhrer Mickey owning both of us and thus being able to reorganize as he sees fit.

Well GTS most SEC schools earn above the 120 million mark. TV dollars are only between 1/3rd to 1/4th of the total depending upon the school.

Numbers are always just what they are. But, revenue isn't the issue for Georgia Tech with regard to the SEC. The priorities foisted upon the conferences by the networks are Georgia Tech's issue with regards to the SEC. As Auburn's oldest rival and the one I enjoyed the most, I'd love to have Tech back in the fold and have that cross cultural annual battle between the rustic plains and the mega city.

But moving forward content (branding and historical success) will NET the most revenue for T1 and T2 rights. Markets will continue to necessary for T3 rights and conference networks. Georgia Tech is not the kind of content addition that could add to the SEC's payouts and the market we already have. But you know that already.

When we were just under the market model had the Big 10 raided the ACC to try to come down the coastline the SEC might likely have taken Tech back in just to protect the leverage we have in the Deep South. But in a content driven sports industry the rationale of maintaining leverage over a particular market won't be as critical as using that spot to land a content multiplier versus the roster of the conference.

I think for good or for ill Georgia Tech's future is tied to the ACC now. The difficult thing for Tech moving forward is that the Big 10 will be subject to the same corporate network lures as the SEC. Both will go balls to the wall to land schools like Oklahoma and Texas and if they land such a school then the payouts for each of those conferences will be high enough that it might easily eclipse the profitability of adding any ACC schools. Virginia and North Carolina for academic purposes might still be appealing to the Big 10 when the additional markets and political locations are considered but as sports product they likely would not add to the bottom line of a Big 10 that was holding Oklahoma.

In some ways the issues surrounding OU and UT are very compelling when the future of college sports is considered. Should the SEC and Big 10 split that pair between them the resulting disparity between the 4 remaining conferences would not only grow, but would become literally insurmountable. Now there's good news and bad news in that. The good news is that very very few, if any schools could add to the bottom line of either conference so realignment for those two conferences would essentially be over. The bad news is that the revenue gap would grow between the B1G/SEC and the ACC/PAC and would be cemented in place since no remaining additions to the PAC or ACC would be able to overcome the increase.

If that happens then keeping the game competitive is going to be tough. And the failure to do so self limiting for the future.

I think the best solution would be for the PAC/B1G to form a league and for the SEC/ACC to form a league. The three Texas schools could join the ACC/SEC and the old Big 8 schools and WVU could join the PAC/B1G. There's your 64. Package the two league networks together and you have the leverage you need to make it profitable for all. Each could have their internal playoffs for a champion and the two champions could meet. NFLish? Yes, but with the constant rotation due to matriculation it will never be as boring.

Sounds familiarly accurate, JR.
But you do realize that ESPN is not going to pass up the opportunity to double dip Texas, just like they do in Florida. Texas Tech, TCU and West Virginia will be headed to the SEC and Texas and Notre Dame will call the ACC home.
NFLish? Yep....two leagues...extended playoffs, big monetary payoffs....something television understands.

JR probably already covered this in detail, but I want to shed some extra light on it. Mark my words, the SEC is not taking WVU. Why?? The SEC did schedule some games vs WVU. The sportsmanship of WVU fans is very similar to why a lot of conferences(except the MWC), haven't really pursued BYU. Pittsburgh dropped its long-time series with WVU over bad sportsmanship from the WVU fans. The series is coming back, but for how long?? VT hasn't scheduled too many games vs WVU, despite the fact that both were heated rivals in the old Big East. And even Maryland dropped WVU from the schedule. Notice a trend here??
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RE: What if Georgia Tech and Tulane had never left the SEC?
That surprises the tar out of me. I’d have thought Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Arkansas would’ve made a great four-school addition to the conference. If 16, I’d have added TCU, Houston, Utah, and BYU. Not Baylor. SMU was nearly dead. Rice didn’t have a chance...

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South: Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St
North: Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa St, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas St

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South: Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St
North: Utah, BYU, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa St, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas St
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Governor & Lt. governor of Texas were both Baylor grads and TTU had very good representation in the Texas state legislature. TAMU waited until they got a graduate in as governor, then pulled the SEC move.
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(10-05-2018 11:36 PM)Poster Wrote:  
(10-05-2018 07:11 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Big 8 schools would have added Arkansas in a second if they wanted to go there.


Not according to Broyles.


And then there was the prospect that the SWC might fall out from under him.

"I knew there were going to be changes," he said. "We had to protect our status, our reputation."

With his president's blessings, Broyles said he discussed his plans with Texas and A&M, which both showed "great interest," then initiated talks with the SEC in 1987 or '88.

Only Texas and A&M didn't follow his lead. Broyles was told that political pressures kept both from leaving without Baylor, which seems likely.

But what if Arkansas had remained in the SWC and become part of the Big 12?

"I was told by people in the Big 12 after the fact that we would not have been included," he said. "Baylor and Texas Tech had political power. We didn't. The Big 8 was only going to take four teams from the SWC.

"I was told there was no way they'd have taken us."


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Something tells me TV might have stepped in and insisted on Arkansas. The real question is who would have been #14? My guess is that it would have probably been Utah, maybe BYU:

North - Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa State, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State
South - Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Baylor, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M

No clue on how the WAC would have reacted - depending on timing of the Big 14 moves, it’s possible a school like Tulsa doesn’t get a WAC invite, keeping the WAC at 14:

Mountain - TCU, Rice, UTEP, SMU, New Mexico, Colorado State, Air Force
Pacific - Wyoming, BYU, UNLV, Hawaii, San Diego State, Fresno State, San Jose State

It’s also possible that Utah gets replaced with Nevada, which possibly kills off Big West football. The westernmost independents in 1996 were Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, Southwest Louisiana, and Northeast Louisiana.
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(10-07-2018 08:08 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  
(10-05-2018 11:36 PM)Poster Wrote:  
(10-05-2018 07:11 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Big 8 schools would have added Arkansas in a second if they wanted to go there.


Not according to Broyles.


And then there was the prospect that the SWC might fall out from under him.

"I knew there were going to be changes," he said. "We had to protect our status, our reputation."

With his president's blessings, Broyles said he discussed his plans with Texas and A&M, which both showed "great interest," then initiated talks with the SEC in 1987 or '88.

Only Texas and A&M didn't follow his lead. Broyles was told that political pressures kept both from leaving without Baylor, which seems likely.

But what if Arkansas had remained in the SWC and become part of the Big 12?

"I was told by people in the Big 12 after the fact that we would not have been included," he said. "Baylor and Texas Tech had political power. We didn't. The Big 8 was only going to take four teams from the SWC.

"I was told there was no way they'd have taken us."


https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...rised-9212
Something tells me TV might have stepped in and insisted on Arkansas. The real question is who would have been #14? My guess is that it would have probably been Utah, maybe BYU:

North - Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa State, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State
South - Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Baylor, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M

No clue on how the WAC would have reacted - depending on timing of the Big 14 moves, it’s possible a school like Tulsa doesn’t get a WAC invite, keeping the WAC at 14:

Mountain - TCU, Rice, UTEP, SMU, New Mexico, Colorado State, Air Force
Pacific - Wyoming, BYU, UNLV, Hawaii, San Diego State, Fresno State, San Jose State

It’s also possible that Utah gets replaced with Nevada, which possibly kills off Big West football. The westernmost independents in 1996 were Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, Southwest Louisiana, and Northeast Louisiana.

Utah would definitely not have been added to a power conference in 1995. That was before they were that good even at the WAC level. Although I can’t find the link, I remember reading somewhere that Utah once went more than 40 years without being ranked in a single AP poll. When I’m talking about being ranked in an AP Poll, I’m not just talking about being ranked in an end-of-season AP Poll- I’m talking about being ranked in a preseason, midseason or end of season poll.

If the Big 12 decided to go to 14, they would have taken either BYU or Houston to go with Arkansas, definitely not Utah. Keep in mind that conferences weren’t as opposed to a Mormon school back then. Nobody cared about the Mormon Church’s opposition to gay rights, and I’m not sure if BYU had the no sports on Sunday rule back then. The PAC was going to invite BYU in the early 1990s if they could get either Colorado or Texas to come with them. If the PAC was willing to take BYU, I’m sure the Big 12 also would have been willing to.
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(10-08-2018 04:16 PM)Poster Wrote:  Utah would definitely not have been added to a power conference in 1995. That was before they were that good even at the WAC level. Although I can’t find the link, I remember reading somewhere that Utah once went more than 40 years without being ranked in a single AP poll. When I’m talking about being ranked in an AP Poll, I’m not just talking about being ranked in an end-of-season AP Poll- I’m talking about being ranked in a preseason, midseason or end of season poll.

If the Big 12 decided to go to 14, they would have taken either BYU or Houston to go with Arkansas, definitely not Utah. Keep in mind that conferences weren’t as opposed to a Mormon school back then. Nobody cared about the Mormon Church’s opposition to gay rights, and I’m not sure if BYU had the no sports on Sunday rule back then. The PAC was going to invite BYU in the early 1990s if they could get either Colorado or Texas to come with them. If the PAC was willing to take BYU, I’m sure the Big 12 also would have been willing to.

Any source on this?
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(10-08-2018 05:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 04:16 PM)Poster Wrote:  Utah would definitely not have been added to a power conference in 1995. That was before they were that good even at the WAC level. Although I can’t find the link, I remember reading somewhere that Utah once went more than 40 years without being ranked in a single AP poll. When I’m talking about being ranked in an AP Poll, I’m not just talking about being ranked in an end-of-season AP Poll- I’m talking about being ranked in a preseason, midseason or end of season poll.

If the Big 12 decided to go to 14, they would have taken either BYU or Houston to go with Arkansas, definitely not Utah. Keep in mind that conferences weren’t as opposed to a Mormon school back then. Nobody cared about the Mormon Church’s opposition to gay rights, and I’m not sure if BYU had the no sports on Sunday rule back then. The PAC was going to invite BYU in the early 1990s if they could get either Colorado or Texas to come with them. If the PAC was willing to take BYU, I’m sure the Big 12 also would have been willing to.

Any source on this?

This article says the PAC was considering expanding with Colorado and either BYU or SDSU. Rather surprised about SDSU.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret...OR-SEC.amp
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(10-08-2018 05:47 PM)Poster Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 05:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 04:16 PM)Poster Wrote:  Utah would definitely not have been added to a power conference in 1995. That was before they were that good even at the WAC level. Although I can’t find the link, I remember reading somewhere that Utah once went more than 40 years without being ranked in a single AP poll. When I’m talking about being ranked in an AP Poll, I’m not just talking about being ranked in an end-of-season AP Poll- I’m talking about being ranked in a preseason, midseason or end of season poll.

If the Big 12 decided to go to 14, they would have taken either BYU or Houston to go with Arkansas, definitely not Utah. Keep in mind that conferences weren’t as opposed to a Mormon school back then. Nobody cared about the Mormon Church’s opposition to gay rights, and I’m not sure if BYU had the no sports on Sunday rule back then. The PAC was going to invite BYU in the early 1990s if they could get either Colorado or Texas to come with them. If the PAC was willing to take BYU, I’m sure the Big 12 also would have been willing to.

Any source on this?

This article says the PAC was considering expanding with Colorado and either BYU or SDSU. Rather surprised about SDSU.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret...OR-SEC.amp

It doesn’t quote anyone and Deseret is a Mormon paper, so highly biased in its reporting. Interesting if true, though.
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40.46M raised through August 2018.... Crazy how Georgia Tech can raise money


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What if Georgia Tech and Tulane had never left the SEC?

The Sugar Bowl would have been renovated a couple of times and still standing?

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(10-06-2018 01:22 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  JR probably already covered this in detail, but I want to shed some extra light on it. Mark my words, the SEC is not taking WVU. Why?? The SEC did schedule some games vs WVU. The sportsmanship of WVU fans is very similar to why a lot of conferences(except the MWC), haven't really pursued BYU. Pittsburgh dropped its long-time series with WVU over bad sportsmanship from the WVU fans. The series is coming back, but for how long?? VT hasn't scheduled too many games vs WVU, despite the fact that both were heated rivals in the old Big East. And even Maryland dropped WVU from the schedule. Notice a trend here??


I think (think) they may have gotten better, after it became known their fan behavior was seriously harming the university. Surprisingly allowing alcohol sales in the games made it better, since fans no longer had to get trashed prior to the game, and/or sneak in hard liquor.

And I am no WV fan, probably more of a hater (thanks Buck) but it seems to have calmed down now.
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(10-09-2018 01:26 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(10-06-2018 01:22 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  JR probably already covered this in detail, but I want to shed some extra light on it. Mark my words, the SEC is not taking WVU. Why?? The SEC did schedule some games vs WVU. The sportsmanship of WVU fans is very similar to why a lot of conferences(except the MWC), haven't really pursued BYU. Pittsburgh dropped its long-time series with WVU over bad sportsmanship from the WVU fans. The series is coming back, but for how long?? VT hasn't scheduled too many games vs WVU, despite the fact that both were heated rivals in the old Big East. And even Maryland dropped WVU from the schedule. Notice a trend here??


I think (think) they may have gotten better, after it became known their fan behavior was seriously harming the university. Surprisingly allowing alcohol sales in the games made it better, since fans no longer had to get trashed prior to the game, and/or sneak in hard liquor.

And I am no WV fan, probably more of a hater (thanks Buck) but it seems to have calmed down now.

Maybe we could soon see a resurgence? Seems to me that the boorish WV fan behavior was at its peak in the last years of their time in the Big East, when WV was a very good team, frequently winning Big East titles and BCS bowl games. So maybe fan behavior has calmed down in recent years because as the team has fallen off on the field, the fans aren't so puff-chested and full of themselves.

If that theory is correct, then if they continue to be undefeated as this season progresses, we might start to see some burning sofas again.

BTW, IIRC you seemed to have been gone for a while. Good to see you back. 07-coffee3
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One thing I think is worth mentioning here on this scenario, and I could very well be wrong here, but I think it's worth mentioning that the Big East Super Conference from 2005-2013 seems to be what made the prospect of a 14 or even 16 team conference plausible, much less successful.

If you can remember back in time, when the Big East first went to 14, it was laughed at, and when it went to 16, even moreso. Then when it showed it actually worked, to me, I think that opened the door for teams to look at going past 12, because prior many thought even going to 12 was too much.

I don't want to rehash as I think most every scenario has been laid out already, but I think using the revised history, if Tulane and GT staying in the SEC keeps the Big East from every expanding, 14 and/or 16 team conferences may never come to fruition -or at least may be years away - because there was no blueprint to show it both works, and can be beneficial to all without it. Further it was the Big Ten who lead the charge to go from 12-14, and many of the scenarios here leave no viable teams for the Big Ten to expand to 14 with, to trigger the last round of expansion.
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(10-09-2018 01:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maybe we could soon see a resurgence? Seems to me that the boorish WV fan behavior was at its peak in the last years of their time in the Big East, when WV was a very good team, frequently winning Big East titles and BCS bowl games. So maybe fan behavior has calmed down in recent years because as the team has fallen off on the field, the fans aren't so puff-chested and full of themselves.

If that theory is correct, then if they continue to be undefeated as this season progresses, we might start to see some burning sofas again.

BTW, IIRC you seemed to have been gone for a while. Good to see you back. 07-coffee3

Could also be that they are now no longer close enough to any of their foes to travel en mass (or vice versa) to have the experiences that gave them the reputation?

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(10-09-2018 01:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 01:26 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(10-06-2018 01:22 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  JR probably already covered this in detail, but I want to shed some extra light on it. Mark my words, the SEC is not taking WVU. Why?? The SEC did schedule some games vs WVU. The sportsmanship of WVU fans is very similar to why a lot of conferences(except the MWC), haven't really pursued BYU. Pittsburgh dropped its long-time series with WVU over bad sportsmanship from the WVU fans. The series is coming back, but for how long?? VT hasn't scheduled too many games vs WVU, despite the fact that both were heated rivals in the old Big East. And even Maryland dropped WVU from the schedule. Notice a trend here??


I think (think) they may have gotten better, after it became known their fan behavior was seriously harming the university. Surprisingly allowing alcohol sales in the games made it better, since fans no longer had to get trashed prior to the game, and/or sneak in hard liquor.

And I am no WV fan, probably more of a hater (thanks Buck) but it seems to have calmed down now.

Maybe we could soon see a resurgence? Seems to me that the boorish WV fan behavior was at its peak in the last years of their time in the Big East, when WV was a very good team, frequently winning Big East titles and BCS bowl games. So maybe fan behavior has calmed down in recent years because as the team has fallen off on the field, the fans aren't so puff-chested and full of themselves.

If that theory is correct, then if they continue to be undefeated as this season progresses, we might start to see some burning sofas again.

BTW, IIRC you seemed to have been gone for a while. Good to see you back. 07-coffee3

The WVU fans who traveled to Cincinnati were always perfect gentlemen (and gentlewomen). Never had a problem with them.

I've heard their home games are something else though. The problem stems from the couch-burning rednecks who can't afford to travel to away games.
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RE: What if Georgia Tech and Tulane had never left the SEC?
(10-09-2018 03:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 01:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 01:26 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(10-06-2018 01:22 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  JR probably already covered this in detail, but I want to shed some extra light on it. Mark my words, the SEC is not taking WVU. Why?? The SEC did schedule some games vs WVU. The sportsmanship of WVU fans is very similar to why a lot of conferences(except the MWC), haven't really pursued BYU. Pittsburgh dropped its long-time series with WVU over bad sportsmanship from the WVU fans. The series is coming back, but for how long?? VT hasn't scheduled too many games vs WVU, despite the fact that both were heated rivals in the old Big East. And even Maryland dropped WVU from the schedule. Notice a trend here??


I think (think) they may have gotten better, after it became known their fan behavior was seriously harming the university. Surprisingly allowing alcohol sales in the games made it better, since fans no longer had to get trashed prior to the game, and/or sneak in hard liquor.

And I am no WV fan, probably more of a hater (thanks Buck) but it seems to have calmed down now.

Maybe we could soon see a resurgence? Seems to me that the boorish WV fan behavior was at its peak in the last years of their time in the Big East, when WV was a very good team, frequently winning Big East titles and BCS bowl games. So maybe fan behavior has calmed down in recent years because as the team has fallen off on the field, the fans aren't so puff-chested and full of themselves.

If that theory is correct, then if they continue to be undefeated as this season progresses, we might start to see some burning sofas again.

BTW, IIRC you seemed to have been gone for a while. Good to see you back. 07-coffee3

The WVU fans who traveled to Cincinnati were always perfect gentlemen (and gentlewomen). Never had a problem with them.

I've heard their home games are something else though. The problem stems from the couch-burning rednecks who can't afford to travel to away games.

Exactly. When one thinks of a WV home game, one thinks of a couch burning. This one anyway.
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