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(09-19-2018 09:03 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  
(09-19-2018 03:24 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  Roll Tribe.

Armed and ready for next week’s unoriginal Bama wannabe.

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(09-19-2018 03:24 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  Just wrote/published our optimistic (read: biased? 02-13-banana ), albeit honest, preview for this Saturday's Green & Gold vs. Purple & Gold matchup. The analysis includes a brief scouting report on JMU's players/offense/defense, and of course, our prescription for how W&M can have a fighting chance.

Good luck this weekend, Dukes. Enjoy the game!

Article: https://wmsportsblog.com/2018/09/19/game...-wm-2-jmu/

Roll Tribe.

No JMUSB collab this year? YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF YOUR FATHER

The last time W&M beat JMU was 2015. Let's not forget that Vad Lee got hurt during the Richmond game and did not play at W&M and that is the only reason that W&M beat us!

No the only reason W&M beat us was because Withers doesn’t know how to coach defense. The offense scored 40 points and we still lost
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I think you do a good job of highlighting strengths/weaknesses of each team and their keys to the game, so might I suggest renaming "How W&M Can Win" to "Best Case Scenario" and adding a "Worst Case Scenario" as well? So there could be the 20-17 WM over JMU scoreline as the Best Case, and a 52-7 JMU victory as the Worst Case. I think it would be a great addition to the coverage, a way to avoid claims of homer-ism, and, hopefully, less confusing to readers.
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(09-20-2018 10:58 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 10:56 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  The last time W&M beat JMU was 2015. Let's not forget that Vad Lee got hurt during the Richmond game and did not play at W&M and that is the only reason that W&M beat us!

Weren't we marching down the field to possibly hit a game winning FG until our center snapped the ball over Schor's head? I think there were multiple factors contributing to that loss.

I also think that was the game where there were two uncalled encroachment or offsides on FG attempts that were returned by WM for safeties.

I believe the ball was also fumbled out of the side of our end zone for what should have been a touchback, but upon review, W&M was awarded one of the biggest phantom fumble “recoveries” I’ve ever seen at the JMU 1 yard line, which led to a Tribe TD. Even the tv announcers sat in stunned silence after the refs announced that call.
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(09-20-2018 11:21 AM)Lyric Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 10:58 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 10:56 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  The last time W&M beat JMU was 2015. Let's not forget that Vad Lee got hurt during the Richmond game and did not play at W&M and that is the only reason that W&M beat us!

Weren't we marching down the field to possibly hit a game winning FG until our center snapped the ball over Schor's head? I think there were multiple factors contributing to that loss.

I also think that was the game where there were two uncalled encroachment or offsides on FG attempts that were returned by WM for safeties.

I believe the ball was also fumbled out of the side of our end zone for what should have been a touchback, but upon review, W&M was awarded one of the biggest phantom fumble “recoveries” I’ve ever seen at the JMU 1 yard line, which led to a Tribe TD. Even the tv announcers sat in stunned silence after the refs announced that call.

That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.
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(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Yeah I have seen a lot of bad games, but that one is now coming back into my memory as one of the worst. It's up there with last year's championship game from an officiating standpoint.
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(09-20-2018 11:57 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Yeah I have seen a lot of bad games, but that one is now coming back into my memory as one of the worst. It's up there with last year's championship game from an officiating standpoint.

I am pretty sure the same Ref crew worked both the Weber State game and the National Championship came. Came from the Southland Conference and appeared to have an agenda in both games.
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(09-20-2018 12:28 PM)DRDukes Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:57 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Yeah I have seen a lot of bad games, but that one is now coming back into my memory as one of the worst. It's up there with last year's championship game from an officiating standpoint.

I am pretty sure the same Ref crew worked both the Weber State game and the National Championship came. Came from the Southland Conference and appeared to have an agenda in both games.

Officially, Southland Conference is the "host" of the FCS Championship as long as it stays in Frisco.

Unfortunately, that likely means a Southland ref crew, for as long as the game is held there.
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(09-20-2018 12:28 PM)DRDukes Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:57 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Yeah I have seen a lot of bad games, but that one is now coming back into my memory as one of the worst. It's up there with last year's championship game from an officiating standpoint.

I am pretty sure the same Ref crew worked both the Weber State game and the National Championship came. Came from the Southland Conference and appeared to have an agenda in both games.

Now, now, nothing happened in the National Championship game that couldn't have been resolved by a receiver catching a ball that hit him in the hands. Which happened more than once. And other bizarre one-offs.

As to our last conference loss in 2015, it was also Schor's first start. That was a good W&M team, but the only time they scored more than 41 all year was in a first round playoff game against Duquesne. The regular season high was otherwise the 40 they hung on Hampton the week before they played us. Let that sink in fully. If we simply hold them to what they scored against Hampton, we win. AND if the ball doesn't get snapped a mile over Schor's head on our last possession, who says we don't at least tie the game anyway.

What a bad defense we had at that point.
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(09-20-2018 12:28 PM)DRDukes Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:57 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Yeah I have seen a lot of bad games, but that one is now coming back into my memory as one of the worst. It's up there with last year's championship game from an officiating standpoint.

I am pretty sure the same Ref crew worked both the Weber State game and the National Championship came. Came from the Southland Conference and appeared to have an agenda in both games.

Watching numerous playoff games the last few years for games other than just JMU games.....my impression is the SoCon has excellent officiating crews. They let teams play, don't call a lot of ticky-tack stuff, but maintain control of the game.
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(09-20-2018 12:41 PM)Harrisonburger Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 12:28 PM)DRDukes Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:57 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Yeah I have seen a lot of bad games, but that one is now coming back into my memory as one of the worst. It's up there with last year's championship game from an officiating standpoint.

I am pretty sure the same Ref crew worked both the Weber State game and the National Championship came. Came from the Southland Conference and appeared to have an agenda in both games.

Now, now, nothing happened in the National Championship game that couldn't have been resolved by a receiver catching a ball that hit him in the hands. Which happened more than once. And other bizarre one-offs.

As to our last conference loss in 2015, it was also Schor's first start. That was a good W&M team, but the only time they scored more than 41 all year was in a first round playoff game against Duquesne. The regular season high was otherwise the 40 they hung on Hampton the week before they played us. Let that sink in fully. If we simply hold them to what they scored against Hampton, we win. AND if the ball doesn't get snapped a mile over Schor's head on our last possession, who says we don't at least tie the game anyway.

What a bad defense we had at that point.

Another noticable point, EW threw the playbook out after BS began starting. Many receivers never ran another pass route again.
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Are you being literal? I hope EW isn't *that* bad of a coach...
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(09-20-2018 01:51 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Are you being literal? I hope EW isn't *that* bad of a coach...

Right.....the playbook was definitely scaled back (probably too much).....but the WRs still ran routes.
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(09-20-2018 01:53 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 01:51 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Are you being literal? I hope EW isn't *that* bad of a coach...

Right.....the playbook was definitely scaled back (probably too much).....but the WRs still ran routes.

The one thing I noticed was the lack of pass routes by the tight ends which were used lots when VL was playing.
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(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:21 AM)Lyric Wrote:  I believe the ball was also fumbled out of the side of our end zone for what should have been a touchback, but upon review, W&M was awarded one of the biggest phantom fumble “recoveries” I’ve ever seen at the JMU 1 yard line, which led to a Tribe TD. Even the tv announcers sat in stunned silence after the refs announced that call.

That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Probably the same officiating crew who decided that the Tribe's game-winning catch late in regulation (or it might have been the first overtime) at Bridgeforth in 2012 was out of bounds. That catch was in bounds but W&M was jobbed by the homer-happy refs. Same game where Laycock went for 2 in second overtime and was stopped.
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(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:21 AM)Lyric Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 10:58 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 10:56 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  The last time W&M beat JMU was 2015. Let's not forget that Vad Lee got hurt during the Richmond game and did not play at W&M and that is the only reason that W&M beat us!

Weren't we marching down the field to possibly hit a game winning FG until our center snapped the ball over Schor's head? I think there were multiple factors contributing to that loss.

I also think that was the game where there were two uncalled encroachment or offsides on FG attempts that were returned by WM for safeties.

I believe the ball was also fumbled out of the side of our end zone for what should have been a touchback, but upon review, W&M was awarded one of the biggest phantom fumble “recoveries” I’ve ever seen at the JMU 1 yard line, which led to a Tribe TD. Even the tv announcers sat in stunned silence after the refs announced that call.

That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Yep. Possession was established by a W&M player touching the ball for a brief fraction of a second prior to it going into the endzone. Most bizarre terrible call that I have seen in years....establishing possession is the same whether a catch, fumble, kick reception, or any other scenario. It is never established by just a touch. Just a miserable job, especially since it was reviewed.

Still mad.

Here is the video link

https://youtu.be/Rp8hrGeLJWQ?t=2m51s
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(09-20-2018 02:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:21 AM)Lyric Wrote:  I believe the ball was also fumbled out of the side of our end zone for what should have been a touchback, but upon review, W&M was awarded one of the biggest phantom fumble “recoveries” I’ve ever seen at the JMU 1 yard line, which led to a Tribe TD. Even the tv announcers sat in stunned silence after the refs announced that call.

That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Probably the same officiating crew who decided that the Tribe's game-winning catch late in regulation (or it might have been the first overtime) at Bridgeforth in 2012 was out of bounds. That catch was in bounds but W&M was jobbed by the homer-happy refs. Same game where Laycock went for 2 in second overtime and was stopped.

That call was illegal touching. W&M player ran out of bounds on his own...according to the ref in the endzone.

"2) If the player voluntarily goes out of bounds, they are no longer able to compete in the play. This is to prevent a player from running through the bench, security personal, etc. in order to get open in bounds. If the player is pushed or shoved out of bounds they must re-enter field of play with both feet to re-establish themselves as an eligible receiver. For this to happen the officials must deem that the player was shoved out. "

Call was overturned anyway, and W&M went for 2 and didn't get it.
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(09-20-2018 12:53 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  Watching numerous playoff games the last few years for games other than just JMU games.....my impression is the SoCon has excellent officiating crews. They let teams play, don't call a lot of ticky-tack stuff, but maintain control of the game.

I agree with this approach to officiating. Save your flags for the really egregious stuff and not anything borderline at best.

Also when you have video replay. Maybe get the call right? I know, crazy idea.
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(09-20-2018 12:34 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 12:28 PM)DRDukes Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:57 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Yeah I have seen a lot of bad games, but that one is now coming back into my memory as one of the worst. It's up there with last year's championship game from an officiating standpoint.

I am pretty sure the same Ref crew worked both the Weber State game and the National Championship came. Came from the Southland Conference and appeared to have an agenda in both games.

Officially, Southland Conference is the "host" of the FCS Championship as long as it stays in Frisco.

Unfortunately, that likely means a Southland ref crew, for as long as the game is held there.
The officiating crews rotate, but they have to be neutral- can't be from conferences in NC game.

-2010 season, 1st year Frisco hosted, was MEAC. UD fans threw a fit over the refs screwing up the chains on EWU's game winning TD drive. No more MEAC since they are no longer an AQ conference.

-2012 season was Big Sky.
https://ravallirepublic.com/sports/colle...720a0.html

-2015 season was CAA.
https://www.berkshireeagle.com/stories/t...ame,201729

-2016 for JMU/YSU, wasn't the crew So-Con?
-Last season wasn't it Southland?
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(09-20-2018 03:00 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 02:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:39 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-20-2018 11:21 AM)Lyric Wrote:  I believe the ball was also fumbled out of the side of our end zone for what should have been a touchback, but upon review, W&M was awarded one of the biggest phantom fumble “recoveries” I’ve ever seen at the JMU 1 yard line, which led to a Tribe TD. Even the tv announcers sat in stunned silence after the refs announced that call.

That game was utter BS. CAA officiating at its finest.

Probably the same officiating crew who decided that the Tribe's game-winning catch late in regulation (or it might have been the first overtime) at Bridgeforth in 2012 was out of bounds. That catch was in bounds but W&M was jobbed by the homer-happy refs. Same game where Laycock went for 2 in second overtime and was stopped.

That call was illegal touching. W&M player ran out of bounds on his own...according to the ref in the endzone.

"2) If the player voluntarily goes out of bounds, they are no longer able to compete in the play. This is to prevent a player from running through the bench, security personal, etc. in order to get open in bounds. If the player is pushed or shoved out of bounds they must re-enter field of play with both feet to re-establish themselves as an eligible receiver. For this to happen the officials must deem that the player was shoved out. "

Call was overturned anyway, and W&M went for 2 and didn't get it.

Are we talking about the same play? I was at that game and I recall the out of bounds play being down at the end where the building is (where the inflatable Duke Dawg was, where the players run out on the field); I recall the 2-pt conversion play being down at the other end of the field. I also don't recall any call being overturned on the out of bounds. Lastly, does any football fan actually think that the receiver "voluntarily" went out of bounds? No, he was pushed out and the refs can easily cover their call by ruling that he went out voluntarily and who would have any proof to refute their call? If anyone has video of that play, I would love to see it!!
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I thought this was a great little preview. thanks for sharing, w&mSB. very fair

herosports had a good write-up on this game today yesterday too, i thought https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2018...edium=Link
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