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RE: A Win is a Win
(09-17-2018 04:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 03:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 03:25 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 12:47 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 12:33 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It’s nearly impossible for any wr to get open if you run almost exclusively short routes. The threat of going deeper is what makes those moves in the short route work. The notion that this wr group isn’t talented is ridiculous. Ratings wise it’s the best recruits NIU has ever had. But if the defensive secondary just sits on those outs and crossing patterns, even Antonio Brown would struggle to find space.

So the question is: is the NIU passing game short because Childers can’t hit a pass beyond ten yards. Or is it just calling short plays as an offensive scheme? Idk for sure. I do know Childers can not connect downfield. And I do know previous qbs threw downfield plenty in this offense.

I think it's a combination of both.

I think its a combination of both too. NIU receivers run the most basic of routes, and in some instances not even routes at all. More often than not, they are there just to spread the defenses out. I feel awful for Childers because there are simply no plays to be made out there, and when there are plays to be made, he is tentative because just like in the Iowa game he will get scolded if he takes a chance down the field. Its an extremely difficult situation to be in, and Im not sure any QB can succeed right now at NIU. Its a big cluster at this point.

Carey just doesn’t handle certain types of athletes well. He only knows tough love type coaching. That takes a certain type Of athlete. Childers seems to be the fragile type who needs coddling. Give Carey the right type of athlete and he’s not a bad coach. Give home the wrong type and he’s a disaster.

I just don't think Carey should be allowed anywhere near a young player. The devastation to confidence by forcing QBs to play in his offense is a disaster waiting to happen. Its like throwing someone in a snake pit Indiana Jones style, getting bit by snakes, and then asking that person why in the hell did you get bitten by snakes.

It’s more like throwing them in a snake pit and telling them to fight their way out. Childers needs a rope lowered to him. Hare climbed his way out.
09-17-2018 04:57 PM
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RE: A Win is a Win
(09-17-2018 04:57 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 04:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 03:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 03:25 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 12:47 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  I think it's a combination of both.

I think its a combination of both too. NIU receivers run the most basic of routes, and in some instances not even routes at all. More often than not, they are there just to spread the defenses out. I feel awful for Childers because there are simply no plays to be made out there, and when there are plays to be made, he is tentative because just like in the Iowa game he will get scolded if he takes a chance down the field. Its an extremely difficult situation to be in, and Im not sure any QB can succeed right now at NIU. Its a big cluster at this point.

Carey just doesn’t handle certain types of athletes well. He only knows tough love type coaching. That takes a certain type Of athlete. Childers seems to be the fragile type who needs coddling. Give Carey the right type of athlete and he’s not a bad coach. Give home the wrong type and he’s a disaster.

I just don't think Carey should be allowed anywhere near a young player. The devastation to confidence by forcing QBs to play in his offense is a disaster waiting to happen. Its like throwing someone in a snake pit Indiana Jones style, getting bit by snakes, and then asking that person why in the hell did you get bitten by snakes.

It’s more like throwing them in a snake pit and telling them to fight their way out. Childers needs a rope lowered to him. Hare climbed his way out.

Hare would be a dead man in this offense, no playmakers. It's just such a horrible situation all the way around for any QB.
09-17-2018 05:20 PM
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RE: A Win is a Win
(09-17-2018 05:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 04:57 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 04:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 03:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 03:25 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think its a combination of both too. NIU receivers run the most basic of routes, and in some instances not even routes at all. More often than not, they are there just to spread the defenses out. I feel awful for Childers because there are simply no plays to be made out there, and when there are plays to be made, he is tentative because just like in the Iowa game he will get scolded if he takes a chance down the field. Its an extremely difficult situation to be in, and Im not sure any QB can succeed right now at NIU. Its a big cluster at this point.

Carey just doesn’t handle certain types of athletes well. He only knows tough love type coaching. That takes a certain type Of athlete. Childers seems to be the fragile type who needs coddling. Give Carey the right type of athlete and he’s not a bad coach. Give home the wrong type and he’s a disaster.

I just don't think Carey should be allowed anywhere near a young player. The devastation to confidence by forcing QBs to play in his offense is a disaster waiting to happen. Its like throwing someone in a snake pit Indiana Jones style, getting bit by snakes, and then asking that person why in the hell did you get bitten by snakes.

It’s more like throwing them in a snake pit and telling them to fight their way out. Childers needs a rope lowered to him. Hare climbed his way out.

Hare would be a dead man in this offense, no playmakers. It's just such a horrible situation all the way around for any QB.

NIU would be 3-0 with Hare. Maybe 2-1. Wrs need chemistry and confidence with their qb. Look at Tears numbers with Santa. There’s plenty of talent on offense but I fear they have so little faith in their qb to get them the ball(fail after fail, over throw after bouncer) that they have lulled into half ass efforts
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RE: A Win is a Win
(09-17-2018 06:59 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 05:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 04:57 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 04:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 03:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Carey just doesn’t handle certain types of athletes well. He only knows tough love type coaching. That takes a certain type Of athlete. Childers seems to be the fragile type who needs coddling. Give Carey the right type of athlete and he’s not a bad coach. Give home the wrong type and he’s a disaster.

I just don't think Carey should be allowed anywhere near a young player. The devastation to confidence by forcing QBs to play in his offense is a disaster waiting to happen. Its like throwing someone in a snake pit Indiana Jones style, getting bit by snakes, and then asking that person why in the hell did you get bitten by snakes.

It’s more like throwing them in a snake pit and telling them to fight their way out. Childers needs a rope lowered to him. Hare climbed his way out.

Hare would be a dead man in this offense, no playmakers. It's just such a horrible situation all the way around for any QB.

NIU would be 3-0 with Hare. Maybe 2-1. Wrs need chemistry and confidence with their qb. Look at Tears numbers with Santa. There’s plenty of talent on offense but I fear they have so little faith in their qb to get them the ball(fail after fail, over throw after bouncer) that they have lulled into half ass efforts

03-yes

We win Utah for sure with Hare or even Maddie imo. Iowa would still be a close one.
09-17-2018 07:53 PM
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RE: A Win is a Win
(09-17-2018 06:59 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 05:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 04:57 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 04:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 03:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Carey just doesn’t handle certain types of athletes well. He only knows tough love type coaching. That takes a certain type Of athlete. Childers seems to be the fragile type who needs coddling. Give Carey the right type of athlete and he’s not a bad coach. Give home the wrong type and he’s a disaster.

I just don't think Carey should be allowed anywhere near a young player. The devastation to confidence by forcing QBs to play in his offense is a disaster waiting to happen. Its like throwing someone in a snake pit Indiana Jones style, getting bit by snakes, and then asking that person why in the hell did you get bitten by snakes.

It’s more like throwing them in a snake pit and telling them to fight their way out. Childers needs a rope lowered to him. Hare climbed his way out.

Hare would be a dead man in this offense, no playmakers. It's just such a horrible situation all the way around for any QB.

NIU would be 3-0 with Hare. Maybe 2-1. Wrs need chemistry and confidence with their qb. Look at Tears numbers with Santa. There’s plenty of talent on offense but I fear they have so little faith in their qb to get them the ball(fail after fail, over throw after bouncer) that they have lulled into half ass efforts

If Hare had his set of receivers then maybe. NIU offense has regressed since Hare was here , and that's not just at QB position, that's coaching and skilled position talent decline. This decline in all phases was evident toward end of Hare's time at NIU. That South Florida game, wow, that is one that wont be forgotten
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Post: #46
RE: A Win is a Win
(09-18-2018 02:10 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 06:59 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 05:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 04:57 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 04:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just don't think Carey should be allowed anywhere near a young player. The devastation to confidence by forcing QBs to play in his offense is a disaster waiting to happen. Its like throwing someone in a snake pit Indiana Jones style, getting bit by snakes, and then asking that person why in the hell did you get bitten by snakes.

It’s more like throwing them in a snake pit and telling them to fight their way out. Childers needs a rope lowered to him. Hare climbed his way out.

Hare would be a dead man in this offense, no playmakers. It's just such a horrible situation all the way around for any QB.

NIU would be 3-0 with Hare. Maybe 2-1. Wrs need chemistry and confidence with their qb. Look at Tears numbers with Santa. There’s plenty of talent on offense but I fear they have so little faith in their qb to get them the ball(fail after fail, over throw after bouncer) that they have lulled into half ass efforts

If Hare had his set of receivers then maybe. NIU offense has regressed since Hare was here , and that's not just at QB position, that's coaching and skilled position talent decline. This decline in all phases was evident toward end of Hare's time at NIU. That South Florida game, wow, that is one that wont be forgotten

To be fair, Hare had Brown, Lewis, Beebe, Golladay, Stingly, Bouqgnon and Huff. Not sure any QB has had that level of talent.
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RE: A Win is a Win
(09-18-2018 03:24 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-18-2018 02:10 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 06:59 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 05:20 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 04:57 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  It’s more like throwing them in a snake pit and telling them to fight their way out. Childers needs a rope lowered to him. Hare climbed his way out.

Hare would be a dead man in this offense, no playmakers. It's just such a horrible situation all the way around for any QB.

NIU would be 3-0 with Hare. Maybe 2-1. Wrs need chemistry and confidence with their qb. Look at Tears numbers with Santa. There’s plenty of talent on offense but I fear they have so little faith in their qb to get them the ball(fail after fail, over throw after bouncer) that they have lulled into half ass efforts

If Hare had his set of receivers then maybe. NIU offense has regressed since Hare was here , and that's not just at QB position, that's coaching and skilled position talent decline. This decline in all phases was evident toward end of Hare's time at NIU. That South Florida game, wow, that is one that wont be forgotten

To be fair, Hare had Brown, Lewis, Beebe, Golladay, Stingly, Bouqgnon and Huff. Not sure any QB has had that level of talent.

Definitely. Few days divorced from that game now it is becoming more clear to me the exhaustive x and o type arguments are more of a 2nd order concern (although still a big factor) to the decline in offensive talent.
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