(08-02-2018 10:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 11:02 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 10:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 10:42 AM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 10:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  This is another example of the kind of smug, arrogant condescension that made Donald Trump president. I don't think leftists really understand just how much this sort of stuff infuriates and alienates non-leftists--including those in the middle.
He will either be convicted or not. He either has valuable information or not. Both will come out in the wash. At present, neither is as sure a bet as was Hillary's certain victory in 2016. I don't like bad surprises, so I wait for the facts to come out. We shall see what we shall see.

I’m not being condescending. I’m sure it seems that way to people like you, but your perceptions aren’t reality.

You really don't get it, do you?

If you want to try to make a point, you need to respect the person to whom you are trying to make the point. Leading with condescension is not the way to convince anyone of anything. But I'm guessing you don't care about that. Do you just want to be an a-hole for the sheer joy of being an a-hole?

Why are you being so rude? I haven’t called you anything, and here you are hurling vile names at me. Please be civil. If you ask worthwhile questions, I’ll be happy to return worthwhile responses. I, however, won’t waste time with weak and flawed arguments. You surely know that your argument is weak and flawed because you don’t seem like an idiot. So I assume that’s the best you can do with the reality that is being presented. There’s something to be said for making the best of a bad situation, but sometimes you just need to recognize a lost cause. Best of luck to you.

By the way, what’s your thoughts on Trump treating our allies better than our adversaries? I’m interested to hear how his actions can be interpreted.

I'm curious to know who is posting behind the sock puppet. IMHO, it's an alter ego of a libertarian leaning individual. I have my suspicions...

I thought the same thing although I have no suspicions of whom it might be.

(08-03-2018 11:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 08:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 08:30 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 08:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Well you're wrong. Here's your response.

The alleged investigation and clearing of Manafort by Rosenstein, if there even was one 8 years ago, has no bearing on this case. The claim of this thread is that he's already been cleared of these charges 8 years ago, implying this is some sort of political witch hunt. Any investigation that may have taken place 8 years ago has no bearing on this current court case.

Manafort is on trial for not telling Mueller what Muller wants to hear about Trump - whether it is true or not.

Link?

Do you think this charade would be going on right now if the collusion investigation never started?

Irrelevant. And impossible to know. If he's as guilty as he appears, it still may have come to light eventually even without the Mueller investigation.

The opposite of anything you say is just as likely to be true you know...

(08-27-2018 10:34 PM)Momus Wrote:  Manafort tried to cut a deal

Seriously, who could have ever seen this coming?

"...citing people familiar with the matter."

Seriously, that's all you have?

(08-01-2018 06:29 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:13 PM)Momus Wrote:  I’ve read articles from and heard interviews with about a half dozen federal prosecutors. They all agreed that charges in cases like this are virtually never brought unless a conviction is certain because the paper trail is what it is. Manafort’s defense is very weak at this point, but trials can take twists and turns. If he’s convicted, he’ll quickly cut a deal. If exonerated, Mueller will have a longer road to Trump. He’s in no hurry since he needs a House that will do something. He’ll get that in just under 6 months.

*catches breath*

Just checking in to see how you right-wingers are doing today.

(09-14-2018 10:26 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:29 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:13 PM)Momus Wrote:  I’ve read articles from and heard interviews with about a half dozen federal prosecutors. They all agreed that charges in cases like this are virtually never brought unless a conviction is certain because the paper trail is what it is. Manafort’s defense is very weak at this point, but trials can take twists and turns. If he’s convicted, he’ll quickly cut a deal. If exonerated, Mueller will have a longer road to Trump. He’s in no hurry since he needs a House that will do something. He’ll get that in just under 6 months.

*catches breath*

Just checking in to see how you right-wingers are doing today.

Just fine. Thank you for asking.

(09-14-2018 10:26 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:29 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:13 PM)Momus Wrote:  I’ve read articles from and heard interviews with about a half dozen federal prosecutors. They all agreed that charges in cases like this are virtually never brought unless a conviction is certain because the paper trail is what it is. Manafort’s defense is very weak at this point, but trials can take twists and turns. If he’s convicted, he’ll quickly cut a deal. If exonerated, Mueller will have a longer road to Trump. He’s in no hurry since he needs a House that will do something. He’ll get that in just under 6 months.

*catches breath*

Just checking in to see how you right-wingers are doing today.

Speaking as a conservative,

Finer than frog hair.

Storm passed us, birds are singing, grass is greener, weathers warm, team kicked some serial booty in a make-shift Thursday night game.


How are you in your perpetual miserableness?!? Hope it breaks like a fever at some point. I hope, not sure you do.

Lol at Trump going on and on about how horrible it is to be a snitch and how much he respects Manafort for not flipping.

(09-15-2018 03:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Lol at Trump going on and on about how horrible it is to be a snitch and how much he respects Manafort for not flipping.

He going to flip on the Podesta brothers. And all foreign lobbyist in DC that didn't register. There's no telling what he knows, he's been in DC for a long time. Has anyone in mainstream media received payments? Has the muslim brotherhood paid CNN? Who knows where this goes? 2012 article in the Huff https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/0...59095.html

Anywhere but 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.... Amirite! Mueller has spent all this time to get Manafort to flip on Tony Poeesta! you guys NEVER disappoint!

(09-15-2018 05:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Anywhere but 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.... Amirite! Mueller has spent all this time to get Manafort to flip on Tony Poeesta! you guys NEVER disappoint!

All those pallets of "cash" Obama and Kerry sent to Iran. I wonder how much of it flowed back to unregistered foreign agents here in the US?

After watching Kerry in the news this morning I believe he's getting one pallet.

Bless your heart

(08-01-2018 06:26 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 01:38 PM)banker Wrote:  The average sentence for the crime alleged against Manafort is 1.6 years. They are trying to put him away for 305 years. Seems like somebody in the Justice Department is peeking under their blindfold.

After a conviction, Prosecutors get to say what they want the sentence to be, but it’s (obviously) the Judge who decides. We’ll see what happens, but I don’t get a sense that he is going to hand down a sentence that is out of line with what other defendants have received for the same offense.

Assuming, of course, that there is any sentence to hand down in the first place.

Which of course if he is given the average sentence.... will be characterized as 'a gross political favor' since they asked for 300 years... ignoring that the request in and of itself was 'a gross political attack'.

(09-14-2018 10:26 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:29 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-01-2018 06:13 PM)Momus Wrote:  I’ve read articles from and heard interviews with about a half dozen federal prosecutors. They all agreed that charges in cases like this are virtually never brought unless a conviction is certain because the paper trail is what it is. Manafort’s defense is very weak at this point, but trials can take twists and turns. If he’s convicted, he’ll quickly cut a deal. If exonerated, Mueller will have a longer road to Trump. He’s in no hurry since he needs a House that will do something. He’ll get that in just under 6 months.

*catches breath*

Just checking in to see how you right-wingers are doing today.

I'm still waiting on you to respond to a question I had for you a week or two ago cupcake but I see that you forget about that. Leave my name out your mouth and quotes until you man up and answer. Muah. Have a good day.

FYI cause you soy boy's memories seem to be as long as your di... pinky toe. https://csnbbs.com/thread-857204.html

(09-16-2018 01:30 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 10:26 PM)Momus Wrote:  Just checking in to see how you right-wingers are doing today.

I'm still waiting on you to respond to a question I had for you a week or two ago cupcake but I see that you forget about that.

I'm equally waiting to see his response to Owlnumbers....

Momus asked a very specific and loaded question and rather than some hackneyed drivel, Owl gave him a cogent and detailed response... and those whose analysis of anything worthwhile would fit on a post-it have no retort.

The reality is that the idea of 'treating your friends well' implies that our friends are similarly treating US well. When countries take our promises of protection against an invasion by Russia (either militarily or economically) and then give Russia favorable economic terms for deals (or even equal terms) then THEY are not acting in good faith.

Are they our allies? Sure, though often only when it is in their best interests to be so. I could be wrong but I recall France dealing behind our (and the UN's) backs with Iraq... and we did nothing about our 'friend' who undermined us?

Why should we continue to engage in policies that are NOT in OUR best interests but are instead in theirs, without requiring that they do the same for us. That's not treating them poorly to demand equality/fair trade.

We certainly aren't going to protect Russia against Ukraine like we would say Germany.... so to imply that we're treating our friends poorly because we ask them to pay their fair share like we ask our own taxpayers to do?

How is that any different than Obamacare (or any other social program) which allows the government to scale back its support as people do better on their own?

(09-15-2018 05:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Anywhere but 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.... Amirite! Mueller has spent all this time to get Manafort to flip on Tony Poeesta! you guys NEVER disappoint!

Not so fast Mach. Mr Podesta and Mr Manafort are in the news together this morning.

(09-17-2018 06:21 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 05:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Anywhere but 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.... Amirite! Mueller has spent all this time to get Manafort to flip on Tony Poeesta! you guys NEVER disappoint!

Not so fast Mach. Mr Podesta and Mr Manafort are in the news together this morning.

on FOX NEWS!!!!!! Hannity I am sure has the exclusive.....

(09-17-2018 07:08 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(09-17-2018 06:21 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 05:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Anywhere but 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.... Amirite! Mueller has spent all this time to get Manafort to flip on Tony Poeesta! you guys NEVER disappoint!

Not so fast Mach. Mr Podesta and Mr Manafort are in the news together this morning.

on FOX NEWS!!!!!! Hannity I am sure has the exclusive.....

This is one reason for your insanity. You should broaden your information circle. Like it or not part of your duty as a voting citizen is to be well informed. You fail at this duty in a large way.

(09-17-2018 07:19 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-17-2018 07:08 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(09-17-2018 06:21 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 05:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Anywhere but 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.... Amirite! Mueller has spent all this time to get Manafort to flip on Tony Poeesta! you guys NEVER disappoint!

Not so fast Mach. Mr Podesta and Mr Manafort are in the news together this morning.

on FOX NEWS!!!!!! Hannity I am sure has the exclusive.....

This is one reason for your insanity. You should broaden your information circle. Like it or not part of your duty as a voting citizen is to be well informed. You fail at this duty in a large way.

That's what happens to people who only watch MSNBC.