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(09-15-2018 08:09 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

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(09-15-2018 03:23 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  yep my sister is their Alumnus and while their campus and education both suck they seem to be getting it done on the FB field. I have been to Troy AL, its the size where you can't call it a village nor a town but they are doing improvements to their FB facilities and seem to be progressing fine. I have to confess it hurts really bad seeing what they are doing and where we are.

The programs you listed have a decade or decades jump on us. For instance, Troy started their program in 1909. That built in advantage can't be underestimated. But we can overcome it. It'll just take time and a FBS coordinators

I have looked at the top 130 every year since the similar App State discussion on this board. I can find little or no correlation between ranking and program age.

Can you find a correlation between facilities and program age, since facilities seem to be the one thing folks keep bringing up?

I can find the 5 oldest stadiums, however it will take some time to analyze
the associated support facilities.
To your question, I am not convinced that just our stadium is the answer to our facilities issues.

You dont need to research anything. Just use some logic. Is it easier to build competitive practice facilities, weight rooms, student athlete support facilities and a stadium over a 50 year period or ten years?

(09-15-2018 08:12 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 08:09 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 08:05 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 08:02 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 07:33 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  The programs you listed have a decade or decades jump on us. For instance, Troy started their program in 1909. That built in advantage can't be underestimated. But we can overcome it. It'll just take time and a FBS coordinators

I have looked at the top 130 every year since the similar App State discussion on this board. I can find little or no correlation between ranking and program age.

Can you find a correlation between facilities and program age, since facilities seem to be the one thing folks keep bringing up?

I can find the 5 oldest stadiums, however it will take some time to analyze
the associated support facilities.
To your question, I am not convinced that just our stadium is the answer to our facilities issues.

You dont need to research anything. Just use some logic. Is it easier to build competitive practice facilities, workout facilities, student athlete support facilities and a stadium over a 50 year period or ten years?

Fair enough.

Cash is the start of everything.

The problem is ODU sponsors 19 sports. 19 I say.

The cost of our practice facility and other football amenities lies in one or two of these budget draining sports. Get the axe out Wood.


Sports sponsored per CUSA member.

ODU 19
UAB 18
FAU 17
Charlotte 16
Marshall 15
UTSA 15
FIU 14
Rice 14
La Tech 14
USM 14
UTEP 14
WKU 14
MTSU 13
UNT 8

I would be ok with cutting a few sports to help the revenue sports.

Sorry swim team and womens lacross.

Title IX would probably dictate men's sports being cut.

(09-15-2018 09:48 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  I would be ok with cutting a few sports to help the revenue sports.

Sorry swim team and womens lacross.

Women's lacrosse probably. I don't think ODU would be willing to cut water sports like swimming, rowing, etc.

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Right now it’s even with 9 men’s and 9 women’s sports. With volleyball women will have 10 sports. Cutting swimming takes one from each and women’s lacrosse would make things even. I’m not sure what Title IX says but even sounds fair to me.

(09-16-2018 07:12 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Right now it’s even with 9 men’s and 9 women’s sports. With volleyball women will have 10 sports. Cutting swimming takes one from each and women’s lacrosse would make things even. I’m not sure what Title IX says but even sounds fair to me.

Might wanna educate yourself on Title 9.

If any sports are cut, they would have to be men’s. Most likely to go: wrestling and men’s swimming

Somehow I don't think cutting sports is wildly popular among fans or potential conferences

I am beyond skeptical of the notion that recruits will all of the sudden want to come here after the stadium renovation.

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I think facilities are somewhat overestimated in terms of recruitment (great for fans though). They are certainly a factor and some players really value the game day experience. Motivations vary among players: some want an education, some want the thrill of playing a game they love, some higher ranked players are looking for opportunities in professional football.

Those interested in professional careers most value exposure and coaching staffs with histories of coaching players into the pros. Such coaches have varying skills in recruitment, player development and strategy/game coaching. Our coaches do not have proven records in coaching players into the pros. We are not good at recruiting (absent dumb luck) and seem to have very few relationships with area high school teams that produce above average talent. Our player development does not stand out (or, frankly, seem to exist) and strategy/game coaching is highly questionable. Probably the change with the greatest potential for impact is a change in the coaching staff. I am certainly not the first to say that and know that finances make it extremely difficult to hire a better staff.

Our exposure is terrible. The CUSA is going to put a few teams into obscure bowls, usually playing other teams with little exposure. The only real exposure is when a CUSA team upsets a big time team. The present structure of FBS football makes it extremely hard for most teams to receive the exposure they need. I don't see how ODU makes changes in this factor. A better stadium and a better team are not going to do it. I think talk of a conference change is not very realistic. Unless CUSA realigns or restructures, I think things stay the same.

Apart from a wholesale change in the coaching staff, the most effective change I see would be (if possible) to add someone specializing in recruitment who has relationships or can develop relationships with high schools in the state. It is really the only relatively cheap way to improve recruitment and recruitment is the factor with the greatest impact.

I lived out of the area until three years ago. I was somewhat involved in the mid-1980's unsuccessful attempt to resurrect football so I was thrilled when it happened. I bought season tickets every year even though I couldn't use them, which my family enjoyed using, and started regularly attending games during the last three years. The point is that my point of view does not include any affinity for the coaching staff based upon the growth of the program. I look at them as they are right now and the teams they are producing. I did not see the chicken wing bowl as a coming of age. I saw it as a lackluster bowl resulting from a season of wins over lackluster opponents. It is now post Taylor Heineke and I see a team now struggling for money and relevance. With absolutely no emotional feelings about the coaching staff, one way or the other, I think the only meaningful change in ODU's future will be a wholesale change in the coaching staff. I am not saying it will not be painful or difficult. I don't know if it will happen or can happen, but if it does not, I think we right now see the type of program we will see in the future. I will support it, but wish I could better enjoy it.

It comes down to do you believe your current head coach and staff will lead you to playing for the conference championship the next three years. If the answer is not yes it’s time for him and his staff to go. The reason schools like Troy keep building and keep it going is because they continually create excitement around the possibility that they will win the conference championship every single year and the fan base and surrounding community buy into it. ODU should be on their way to being the next ECU, old stadium or not. If the HC and staff are not creating excitement among recruits in the area then someone who can needs to come in. What’s Ruffin McNeil doing these days (j/k).


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(09-15-2018 10:02 PM)ODUi Wrote:  Title IX would probably dictate men's sports being cut.

What are the other schools doing? .... they have to comply with the same Title IX requirements ..... don't tell me ..... here it comes ..... we are special, preferring mediocrity in larger numbers than excellence in a narrower band. Let mediocrity be the battle cry, no team left behind.

Remember too, WS promised that no sport would be cut in favor of football.

(09-16-2018 09:30 AM)blueandsilver Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 10:02 PM)ODUi Wrote:  Title IX would probably dictate men's sports being cut.

What are the other schools doing? .... they have to comply with the same Title IX requirements ..... don't tell me ..... here it comes ..... we are special, preferring mediocrity in larger numbers than excellence in a narrower band. Let mediocrity be the battle cry, no team left behind.

Track and field, indoor track and cross country. All 3 sports can share the same scholarship athletes and coaches. But they count as different scholarships. Check out WKU, they have the same coach for all 3 sports.

What is ODU’s football budget vs. other G5 schools?


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In July of 2017 we were golden:
https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...feb14.html

Then in September the hammer fell:
https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...c0fc6.html

So while going forward is problematic, budget constraints were of little consequence to our coaches, recruiting, and up to and including our current on-field performance.

We have also been constrained by the state of Georgia. We have to get down to no more than 55% subsidy. But our football budget isn’t going to be reduced. As I said, from the outside it looks like a change is needed coaching wise.

(09-15-2018 08:12 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 08:09 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 08:05 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 08:02 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 07:33 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  The programs you listed have a decade or decades jump on us. For instance, Troy started their program in 1909. That built in advantage can't be underestimated. But we can overcome it. It'll just take time and a FBS coordinators

I have looked at the top 130 every year since the similar App State discussion on this board. I can find little or no correlation between ranking and program age.

Can you find a correlation between facilities and program age, since facilities seem to be the one thing folks keep bringing up?

I can find the 5 oldest stadiums, however it will take some time to analyze
the associated support facilities.
To your question, I am not convinced that just our stadium is the answer to our facilities issues.

You dont need to research anything. Just use some logic. Is it easier to build competitive practice facilities, weight rooms, student athlete support facilities and a stadium over a 50 year period or ten years?

Then we have a bigger problem. Other than the stadium, our athletic facilities, including gyms weight rooms etc, are very good.
http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=208427060

The only thing we don't have is an indoor football practice facility, and most G5s don't have that anyway.

There are a number of top P5s playing in stadiums older than ours.

Although I have been a proponent of the facilities=recruits paradigm, a comparative analysis of our facilities does not seem to equal a recruiting rank of 128 out of 129.