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(09-12-2018 12:22 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  So much hyperbole. Older fans have more disposable income, therefore they're more likely to have the additional funds to buy season tickets.

This is correct, but as a broke college student, ODU basketball was my free entertainment. Going out on a Saturday night for my girlfriend and I was a cheap bottle of liquor, usually a free bbq outside the Ted, and a free basketball game. The line get into the dedicated student entrance wrapped half way around the Ted and you had to get your free student tickets to the bigger games 2 weeks in advance or you'd be SOL. Are student tickets still free?
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(09-12-2018 11:00 AM)GotLabradors Wrote:  ODU definitely needs to start focusing on the current student population. I heard the average age of the ODU fan is.....well it's older than me and that's pretty damn old. Your current students are your future donors and season ticket holders. You have to get them hooked now as students so they will want to come back to campus and watch football.

Just an observation from the cheap seats .... younger people don't seem to have a passion for football, or any sport, that I can observe. Reasons are speculative, ranging from attention span to hobbies they have grown up with. Football is on the decline --- look at college and NFL attendance on a slow steady decline. I saw recently where several high schools had to cancel their football seasons -- this may well be a canary in the cage for the future of football. However, I was at the Liberty game and those students put ODU students to shame with their engagement and support for their team (although I'm not sure how it would have been if ODU was not getting their nose rubbed in it -- but they supported their team). Enough for the cheap seats, but I wouldn't hold my breath for students to engage football -- maybe fantasy ODU football and an e-sports championship?
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(09-12-2018 12:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:22 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  So much hyperbole. Older fans have more disposable income, therefore they're more likely to have the additional funds to buy season tickets.

This is correct, but as a broke college student, ODU basketball was my free entertainment. Going out on a Saturday night for my girlfriend and I was a cheap bottle of liquor, usually a free bbq outside the Ted, and a free basketball game. The line get into the dedicated student entrance wrapped half way around the Ted. Are student tickets still free?

Yes student tickets are still free. But more students show up for football than is even possible for hoops. And when the games mattered last year, they filled the student section at the Ted.

My comment was in regards to monarx assertion that younger alums aren't buying tickets because they're not engaged or don't care and that donor money would dry up eventually. As a 2013 alum who runs into a lot of classmates at games, I know that isn't true.
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(09-12-2018 12:30 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:22 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  So much hyperbole. Older fans have more disposable income, therefore they're more likely to have the additional funds to buy season tickets.

This is correct, but as a broke college student, ODU basketball was my free entertainment. Going out on a Saturday night for my girlfriend and I was a cheap bottle of liquor, usually a free bbq outside the Ted, and a free basketball game. The line get into the dedicated student entrance wrapped half way around the Ted. Are student tickets still free?

Yes student tickets are still free. But more students show up for football than is even possible for hoops. And when the games mattered last year, they filled the student section at the Ted.

My comment was in regards to monarx assertion that younger alums aren't buying tickets because they're not engaged or don't care and that donor money would dry up eventually. As a 2013 alum who runs into a lot of classmates at games, I know that isn't true.

That wasn't the sense I got. They showed up fairly well for WKU that was heavily marketed by everyone including JJ, they were quiet and we got taken to the woodshed, and they really didn't show up again. Some games were better than others, but their sections were never full. I don't think I've seen the student sections completely full since the NIT run.
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(09-12-2018 12:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:30 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:22 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  So much hyperbole. Older fans have more disposable income, therefore they're more likely to have the additional funds to buy season tickets.

This is correct, but as a broke college student, ODU basketball was my free entertainment. Going out on a Saturday night for my girlfriend and I was a cheap bottle of liquor, usually a free bbq outside the Ted, and a free basketball game. The line get into the dedicated student entrance wrapped half way around the Ted. Are student tickets still free?

Yes student tickets are still free. But more students show up for football than is even possible for hoops. And when the games mattered last year, they filled the student section at the Ted.

My comment was in regards to monarx assertion that younger alums aren't buying tickets because they're not engaged or don't care and that donor money would dry up eventually. As a 2013 alum who runs into a lot of classmates at games, I know that isn't true.

That wasn't the sense I got. They showed up fairly well for WKU that was heavily marketed by everyone including JJ, they were quiet and we got taken to the woodshed, and they really didn't show up again. Some games were better than others, but their sections were never full. I don't think I've seen the student sections completely full since the NIT run.

I was at the games. They filled it up for WKU and MT, the games that mattered. Marshall and UAB wasn't bad but hard to get them back and pumped after they laid eggs in both games that truly mattered.


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RE: What does ODU need to do before the next round of Conference Realignment?
This is an illusory discussion, and very premature.

The SEC has no GoR and has no need for one.

The ACC already re-upped it's GoR through 2035/36 and as such will remain stable for years to come. Notre Dame could move to the ACC in 2019 with start of the new ACC network....or not

The B1G, Pac XII, and Big XII GoRs expire in 2024/25 so expect to see any movement starting in 2023 if any.
Any trickle down that affects us will likely come from a shuffle in the Big XII. Texas is key.
Some pundits expect a consolidation of the best programs, making a P4/G6 dichotomy.
Others opine that those P5 conferences need their weaker members so that they don't beat each other up during the season.
An expanded playoff format would mitigate that somewhat.

None of this should impact us unless it opens up the AAC. By then the AAC will be watered down anyway.

Most of the geographically friendly models that have been proposed here could be implemented now. There is no need to wait for 2024/25 (2023) as none of the players are restricted by a Grant of Rights contract.

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(09-12-2018 12:45 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  This is an illusory discussion, and very premature.

The SEC has no GoR and has no need for one.

The ACC already re-upped it's GoR through 2035/36 and as such will remain stable for years to come. Notre Dame could move to the ACC in 2019 with start of the new ACC network....or not

The B1G, Pac XII, and Big XII GoRs expire in 2024/25 so expect to see any movement starting in 2023 if any.
Any trickle down that affects us will likely come from a shuffle in the Big XII. Texas is key.
Some pundits expect a consolidation of the best programs, making a P4/G6 dichotomy.
Others opine that those P5 conferences need their weaker members so that they don't beat each other up during the season.
An expanded playoff format would mitigate that somewhat.

None of this should impact us unless it opens up the AAC. By then the AAC will be watered down anyway.

Most of the geographically friendly models that have been proposed here could be implemented now. There is no need to wait for 2024/25 (2023) as none of the players are restricted by a Grant of Rights contract.

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To be fair my original point was what does ODU need to do before conference realignment. I think there are a lot of things ODU needs to get done (see original post)
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(09-12-2018 12:50 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:45 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  This is an illusory discussion, and very premature.

The SEC has no GoR and has no need for one.

The ACC already re-upped it's GoR through 2035/36 and as such will remain stable for years to come. Notre Dame could move to the ACC in 2019 with start of the new ACC network....or not

The B1G, Pac XII, and Big XII GoRs expire in 2024/25 so expect to see any movement starting in 2023 if any.
Any trickle down that affects us will likely come from a shuffle in the Big XII. Texas is key.
Some pundits expect a consolidation of the best programs, making a P4/G6 dichotomy.
Others opine that those P5 conferences need their weaker members so that they don't beat each other up during the season.
An expanded playoff format would mitigate that somewhat.

None of this should impact us unless it opens up the AAC. By then the AAC will be watered down anyway.

Most of the geographically friendly models that have been proposed here could be implemented now. There is no need to wait for 2024/25 (2023) as none of the players are restricted by a Grant of Rights contract.

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To be fair my original point was what does ODU need to do before conference realignment. I think there are a lot of things ODU needs to get done (see original post)

Then we need to address football facilities, but that is something we need to anyway.
We need to win, but we need to do that anyway
Rivalries will come with a new conference, not the old one.
Students will come with winning.
Money will come with winning.

IMHO, football facilities are the key. Everything else you mentioned depends on facilities first.
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(09-12-2018 12:53 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Then we need to address football facilities, but that is something we need to anyway.
We need to win, but we need to do that anyway
Rivalries will come with a new conference, not the old one.

IMHO, football facilities are the key.

One could argue that a redsitribution of how we allocate salary dollars should be one of the first considerations. We should be focused on getting in the top half of the league when it comes to football salaries.
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(09-12-2018 01:04 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:53 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Then we need to address football facilities, but that is something we need to anyway.
We need to win, but we need to do that anyway
Rivalries will come with a new conference, not the old one.

IMHO, football facilities are the key.

One could argue that a redsitribution of how we allocate salary dollars should be one of the first considerations. We should be focused on getting in the top half of the league when it comes to football salaries.

agreed.
Again facilities are the key
Top coaches are not coming to a place that has a built in recruiting disadvantage due to 2nd class facilities, no matter the compensation.
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(09-12-2018 12:30 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:22 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  So much hyperbole. Older fans have more disposable income, therefore they're more likely to have the additional funds to buy season tickets.

This is correct, but as a broke college student, ODU basketball was my free entertainment. Going out on a Saturday night for my girlfriend and I was a cheap bottle of liquor, usually a free bbq outside the Ted, and a free basketball game. The line get into the dedicated student entrance wrapped half way around the Ted. Are student tickets still free?

Yes student tickets are still free. But more students show up for football than is even possible for hoops. And when the games mattered last year, they filled the student section at the Ted.

My comment was in regards to monarx assertion that younger alums aren't buying tickets because they're not engaged or don't care and that donor money would dry up eventually. As a 2013 alum who runs into a lot of classmates at games, I know that isn't true.

Im sincerely glad to hear that. My comment was in response to the person who stated the fan base was basically all old folks. My personal observations are not far from that. Glad to hear thats not the case. Show up, cheer loud and give a lot young Monarchs.
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(09-12-2018 12:22 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  So much hyperbole. Older fans have more disposable income, therefore they're more likely to have the additional funds to buy season tickets.
You need students and alumni but also fans from the surrounding community.

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(09-12-2018 12:45 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  This is an illusory discussion, and very premature.

The SEC has no GoR and has no need for one.

The ACC already re-upped it's GoR through 2035/36 and as such will remain stable for years to come. Notre Dame could move to the ACC in 2019 with start of the new ACC network....or not

The B1G, Pac XII, and Big XII GoRs expire in 2024/25 so expect to see any movement starting in 2023 if any.
Any trickle down that affects us will likely come from a shuffle in the Big XII. Texas is key.
Some pundits expect a consolidation of the best programs, making a P4/G6 dichotomy.
Others opine that those P5 conferences need their weaker members so that they don't beat each other up during the season.
An expanded playoff format would mitigate that somewhat.

None of this should impact us unless it opens up the AAC. By then the AAC will be watered down anyway.

Most of the geographically friendly models that have been proposed here could be implemented now. There is no need to wait for 2024/25 (2023) as none of the players are restricted by a Grant of Rights contract.

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If any is the problem. If the B12 does nothing then thats the end. Even if they do something would they take more than 2? Unlikely. AAC may lose one or two or none depending on if the B12 dips into the MWC or take BYU. My mind has changed over the last 24 months on realignment. Would I like to see GSU in a conference with USF and Memphis. Sure. But I think it's more important to be the best program we can be in football a la ECU. ECU has been drawing crowds of 45k-50k for years and beating P5s while still in CUSA. That was largely due to having the right athletic leadership, coaches, facilities and community engagement. So I think schools like ODU and GSU need to follow that model and if it pans out to getting into the AAC great. If it's some other regional conference, great. If ODU is still in CUSA and drawing 30k a game and threatening for the access bowl...also great.

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(09-13-2018 06:38 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:22 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  So much hyperbole. Older fans have more disposable income, therefore they're more likely to have the additional funds to buy season tickets.
You need students and alumni but also fans from the surrounding community.

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I don't disagree with your statement. I just don't understand its' relevancy to my comment? And we do have fans that didn't attend the school, some post on this board. But like every other G5, we need more.
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(09-12-2018 12:50 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:45 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  This is an illusory discussion, and very premature.

The SEC has no GoR and has no need for one.

The ACC already re-upped it's GoR through 2035/36 and as such will remain stable for years to come. Notre Dame could move to the ACC in 2019 with start of the new ACC network....or not

The B1G, Pac XII, and Big XII GoRs expire in 2024/25 so expect to see any movement starting in 2023 if any.
Any trickle down that affects us will likely come from a shuffle in the Big XII. Texas is key.
Some pundits expect a consolidation of the best programs, making a P4/G6 dichotomy.
Others opine that those P5 conferences need their weaker members so that they don't beat each other up during the season.
An expanded playoff format would mitigate that somewhat.

None of this should impact us unless it opens up the AAC. By then the AAC will be watered down anyway.

Most of the geographically friendly models that have been proposed here could be implemented now. There is no need to wait for 2024/25 (2023) as none of the players are restricted by a Grant of Rights contract.

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To be fair my original point was what does ODU need to do before conference realignment. I think there are a lot of things ODU needs to get done (see original post)

Easy, bribe someone.
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(09-12-2018 12:27 PM)blueandsilver Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 11:00 AM)GotLabradors Wrote:  ODU definitely needs to start focusing on the current student population. I heard the average age of the ODU fan is.....well it's older than me and that's pretty damn old. Your current students are your future donors and season ticket holders. You have to get them hooked now as students so they will want to come back to campus and watch football.

Just an observation from the cheap seats .... younger people don't seem to have a passion for football, or any sport, that I can observe. Reasons are speculative, ranging from attention span to hobbies they have grown up with. Football is on the decline --- look at college and NFL attendance on a slow steady decline. I saw recently where several high schools had to cancel their football seasons -- this may well be a canary in the cage for the future of football. However, I was at the Liberty game and those students put ODU students to shame with their engagement and support for their team (although I'm not sure how it would have been if ODU was not getting their nose rubbed in it -- but they supported their team). Enough for the cheap seats, but I wouldn't hold my breath for students to engage football -- maybe fantasy ODU football and an e-sports championship?

I still think this ties into this:

VT or Liberty or JMU or whoever has how many on campus students? What do they have in the surrounding area for entertainment? What do they do for fun? I've been to games at VT, what are the other options for entertainment outside of dorm parties? They go to the games and out to the bars afterwards. At ODU, we still have a ton of commuter students that are at home when the games are going on. And the ones that do stay on campus have a ton of options for entertainment.

This will always be a battle for us.
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(09-13-2018 09:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:27 PM)blueandsilver Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 11:00 AM)GotLabradors Wrote:  ODU definitely needs to start focusing on the current student population. I heard the average age of the ODU fan is.....well it's older than me and that's pretty damn old. Your current students are your future donors and season ticket holders. You have to get them hooked now as students so they will want to come back to campus and watch football.

Just an observation from the cheap seats .... younger people don't seem to have a passion for football, or any sport, that I can observe. Reasons are speculative, ranging from attention span to hobbies they have grown up with. Football is on the decline --- look at college and NFL attendance on a slow steady decline. I saw recently where several high schools had to cancel their football seasons -- this may well be a canary in the cage for the future of football. However, I was at the Liberty game and those students put ODU students to shame with their engagement and support for their team (although I'm not sure how it would have been if ODU was not getting their nose rubbed in it -- but they supported their team). Enough for the cheap seats, but I wouldn't hold my breath for students to engage football -- maybe fantasy ODU football and an e-sports championship?

I still think this ties into this:

VT or Liberty or JMU or whoever has how many on campus students? What do they have in the surrounding area for entertainment? What do they do for fun? I've been to games at VT, what are the other options for entertainment outside of dorm parties? They go to the games and out to the bars afterwards. At ODU, we still have a ton of commuter students that are at home when the games are going on. And the ones that do stay on campus have a ton of options for entertainment.

This will always be a battle for us.

That falls on Chandler, if he cant get the students to care more about football for 6 days out of the year more than their other entertainment options then he needs to be replaced by someone who can.
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(09-13-2018 09:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:27 PM)blueandsilver Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 11:00 AM)GotLabradors Wrote:  ODU definitely needs to start focusing on the current student population. I heard the average age of the ODU fan is.....well it's older than me and that's pretty damn old. Your current students are your future donors and season ticket holders. You have to get them hooked now as students so they will want to come back to campus and watch football.

Just an observation from the cheap seats .... younger people don't seem to have a passion for football, or any sport, that I can observe. Reasons are speculative, ranging from attention span to hobbies they have grown up with. Football is on the decline --- look at college and NFL attendance on a slow steady decline. I saw recently where several high schools had to cancel their football seasons -- this may well be a canary in the cage for the future of football. However, I was at the Liberty game and those students put ODU students to shame with their engagement and support for their team (although I'm not sure how it would have been if ODU was not getting their nose rubbed in it -- but they supported their team). Enough for the cheap seats, but I wouldn't hold my breath for students to engage football -- maybe fantasy ODU football and an e-sports championship?

I still think this ties into this:

VT or Liberty or JMU or whoever has how many on campus students? What do they have in the surrounding area for entertainment? What do they do for fun? I've been to games at VT, what are the other options for entertainment outside of dorm parties? They go to the games and out to the bars afterwards. At ODU, we still have a ton of commuter students that are at home when the games are going on. And the ones that do stay on campus have a ton of options for entertainment.

This will always be a battle for us.

I can speak to Blacksburg. There is a lot of stuff to do in the area on a Saturday afternoon. However, if there is a football game going on, Lane is the place to be. You spend all morning/afternoon roaming the tailgate lots and hanging out.
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(09-12-2018 12:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 11:47 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 11:00 AM)GotLabradors Wrote:  ODU definitely needs to start focusing on the current student population. I heard the average age of the ODU fan is.....well it's older than me and that's pretty damn old. Your current students are your future donors and season ticket holders. You have to get them hooked now as students so they will want to come back to campus and watch football.

Well my son is 9 and still an ODU basketball fan, albeit not as emotional as he used to be, but he has already lost interest in ODU football. He looks up the score and that is it. Being both competitive and creating a competition driven and emotional environment is a must. It probably has to be done organically... not sure there is much the administration can do. They can get them to games, but they can't take their cell phones away. You watch a major game on TV and everyone is standing the whole game, sometimes jumping, and phones are only out to snap selfies and not being stared at. I don't think the age of the fans is the problem. 9 times out of 10, my section full of 35-60 year olds is about 10 times louder than the students.

*WHat the TV shows is people standing and "into the game." It doesn't pan to the ones that aren't. I've gone to a lot of major college games, the interest just isn't what it used to be. Yeah, the majors still bring a **** ton of people in, but attendance is slowly decreasing. A lot of the fanbase (ours being a big problem) is they go to party and there happens to be a game going on.

I don't know, I went to our game at VCU 2 years ago and it didn't seem like there was many people who weren't "into the game". Their crowd got almost as loud over a routine layup in the middle of the 1st half as ours do on a buzzer beater.

Our fan base used to go to party (think jean vest guy and his crew). If we could just get there again, that would be great. Not sure what that would take. Winning helps, but we were good enough last year that we should have attracted better and louder crowds. Probably need some repeatable processes along with committed leadership among the student led organizations, such as the frats, where they party before the game, get liquored up, and start pushing boundaries.

I know I'm not supposed to say that, but that's what leads to better student sections and home court advantages where it is working. I feel that when they started cracking down on that about 10 years ago, that is when our atmosphere took a turn for the worse. Ideally, we would want the atmosphere without the cursing, but that was better than this. You aren't going to get a student section baiting opposing coaches into technical fouls with free ice cream and cake. That will get the student section that will spend 2 hours on their phone playing Minecraft and Fortnite while the game is going on.

I think we were on our way last year, but the momentum gets killed every time it is peaking because we lose every big game.
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RE: What does ODU need to do before the next round of Conference Realignment?
(09-12-2018 01:07 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 01:04 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 12:53 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Then we need to address football facilities, but that is something we need to anyway.
We need to win, but we need to do that anyway
Rivalries will come with a new conference, not the old one.

IMHO, football facilities are the key.

One could argue that a redsitribution of how we allocate salary dollars should be one of the first considerations. We should be focused on getting in the top half of the league when it comes to football salaries.

agreed.
Again facilities are the key
Top coaches are not coming to a place that has a built in recruiting disadvantage due to 2nd class facilities, no matter the compensation.

I look at starting football as similar to starting a new business, lets say a restaurant.
I f your kitchen is outdated and incapable of attracting a chef, you are in trouble.
If your seating area is uncomfortable and antiquated, you are in trouble.
Before you even open the doors, you have to count on spending lots and lots of money just to get the place ready to go. Then you have to borrow enough to keep going while you build a clientele.
We are still in the building facilities stage and trying to pay a decent chef while having already opened the doors for business. After a very fortunate start the menu is floundering.
We jumped way before we were ready facilities wise, but who can blame Selig for seeing a chance and taking it. We simply have to come up with enough operating capitol to keep running, pay a decent coach and build modern, competitive facilities.

Winning games, just like a winning menu, is absolutely essential. Spend money on the Chef and remodel at the same time. Win games, the rest will take care of itself
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