(09-12-2018 04:51 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 04:46 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 04:43 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 03:29 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 09:18 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

so trump should have blocked the hurricane from hitting P.R.….because that is the only way he could have prevented these deaths...

Never hear of this gasbag...but let me guess… Chris Murphy is a socialist gasbag who just one the Dem primary in Connecticut? Am I right? or am I right? or am I right?

Won or one?

what are you talking about? look at my original post.... moron.

Funny... it says your original post was edited after I made mine.

I normally don't point out spelling or grammar errors but I thought it was fitting since you just went after Mach for it.

no I just removed a smiley face...



jk…. you got me.

So where was all the faux OUTRAGE!!! moaning and whining when zerO let Sandy absolutely wreck entire cities in Jersey?

Oh, yea. Funny, that.


If I was a cynic I might think this is primarily an attempt at a political hit job. If I was a cynic...

(09-12-2018 02:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 01:06 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Models have taken a left turn and has South Carolina in its sights now.

Wow, turns out Trump might be a better tropical forecaster than the NHC.

it's amazing what you guys have reported about how Pepe has responded relative to this dickbrain....



I've seen some stupid shite over 53 years.....but the reaction to getting out in front of the problem and negative reaction from the ding-a-lings has just become number-motherfucking-one at the top of the list....

this is the dumbest shite I've seen mentioned about DJT in the past 3 years.....

this is flat out stupid shite....

Wonder why libs aren't taken seriously?

(09-12-2018 08:06 AM)fsquid Wrote:  What could they have done different in Puerto Rico?

He doesn't know, none of them know. All he knows is that Trump is evil and anything he does or doesn't do is wrong. He's full of shite and it's starting to spill out of his ears.

(09-12-2018 08:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Did Kim Jung Un f my wife? No you call out a lie when it is said. That you don't realize that is a problem. You call out lies. You hold our leaders accountable. His base is the problem.

How about the lies you tell yourself and try to convince us are true, will you call yourself out about those?

Trump keeps tweeting and tweeting on the hurricane.

I think he is counting on the liberals to believe he's lying so they all get washed away.

Strategy. The man thinks a step ahead.

(09-12-2018 08:13 PM)Claw Wrote:  Trump keeps tweeting and tweeting on the hurricane.

I think he is counting on the liberals to believe he's lying so they all get washed away.

Strategy. The man thinks a step ahead.

Absolutely he is. He's got them eating out of his hand, as usual. He's baiting them into them putting their collective feet in their mouths.
He's just smarter than them, every waking moment.

This is one I would let go. It's normal now. He's a used (lemon) car salesman and will try to make everything sound like it was the best ever. Just ignore his fake sales pitch.

(09-12-2018 03:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 10:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 10:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Republican Adam Kinzinger said on CNN that FEMA and Trump should have done more, and should not have that we were successful. 3000 dead, and Trump saying that is not good for the people on the east coast. All the leaders in the Carolinas are coming on air more to warn the people.

But what more? Nobody can say there is something that should have been done that wasn't. It's easy to say, "3000 people died, so Trump should have done more." It's hard to identify what that something more is. So far, I have not seen anyone come forth with any specifics. I think that's because there aren't any.

This is Trump's Hurricane Katrina moment. The problem is with the governor of PR? Trump listened to him, but ignored the cries of help from the mayors. Trump still thinks the death count is 64, and not 3000.

OK, the Katrina analogy is apt. There's really nothing more the federales could have done about Katrina. It was a freaking disaster because Blanco screwed the pooch, and Nagin didn't overcome her incompetence.

What cries of help from mayors got ignored? What were they asking for that was a federal responsibility?

(09-12-2018 09:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 08:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Obama wasn't in charge. He was and he's lying to you and you are slopping it up like the good loyal puppy you are. Don't tolerate the lies. Can you say Trump did an unappreciated great job in Puerto Rico? Why do you defend the lies? Stop the insanity and call him out when he needs it. He is lying. Stop defending it? Those that do are the problem.

Neither Trump nor Obama was in charge. The governor of Puerto Rico was. And the problems were baked into the cake by 100 or so years of taking cheap short cuts with infrastructure.

The problem is that the way our response to disasters is set up, it doesn't really matter who is president and what kind of job he or she does. Response to disasters is a state and local government function, not a federal function. FEMA is not a response agency, it's a management agency. State and local governments respond to emergencies, they send their bills to FEMA, and FEMA reimburses them. If the states and locals do well, then FEMA has nothing to do but write checks. If the states and locals screw it up, FEMA has no way to fix it.

I tink the process needs to be changed. I think we need an agency charged with actually responding to emergencies, not just a bunch of bean counters to pay bills. My idea would be to make disaster response the primary mission of the national guard, and equip and train guard units to perform that mission.

Bump. Kaplony, your thoughts?

(09-12-2018 08:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 09:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 08:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Obama wasn't in charge. He was and he's lying to you and you are slopping it up like the good loyal puppy you are. Don't tolerate the lies. Can you say Trump did an unappreciated great job in Puerto Rico? Why do you defend the lies? Stop the insanity and call him out when he needs it. He is lying. Stop defending it? Those that do are the problem.

Neither Trump nor Obama was in charge. The governor of Puerto Rico was. And the problems were baked into the cake by 100 or so years of taking cheap short cuts with infrastructure.

The problem is that the way our response to disasters is set up, it doesn't really matter who is president and what kind of job he or she does. Response to disasters is a state and local government function, not a federal function. FEMA is not a response agency, it's a management agency. State and local governments respond to emergencies, they send their bills to FEMA, and FEMA reimburses them. If the states and locals do well, then FEMA has nothing to do but write checks. If the states and locals screw it up, FEMA has no way to fix it.

I tink the process needs to be changed. I think we need an agency charged with actually responding to emergencies, not just a bunch of bean counters to pay bills. My idea would be to make disaster response the primary mission of the national guard, and equip and train guard units to perform that mission.

Bump. Kaplony, your thoughts?

I think we just need to restructure FEMA towards doing the logistics, finance and recovery assistance mission they are supposed to do and charge the EMAC to handle the "boots on the ground" response. Establishing a stand alone force to do what you are suggesting would be an expensive undertaking both in acquiring the necessary equipment and training to accomplish the mission and maintaining both so that it's ready when you need it.

IMO the best way to build a force like you described would be best accomplished by directing grants to local public safety agencies for multi-use equipment with the stipulation that as long as they have the equipment they are required to provide the equipment and trained staff for use in state level task forces that can be deployed when needed. For example you have a rescue squad on a large body of water that puts in for a grant to purchase a water rescue boat. They get the grant they are required to make it and a trained crew available to their state EMD to respond as needed both in-state and to fill EMAC requests. You could even do it with public works equipment. The town of Little Big Town gets a grant for a new front end loader and gets it. they are required to make available the equipment and X number of operators to their state EMD and EMAC when requested.

(09-12-2018 08:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  CBS News' David Begnaud, who has covered Maria's impact extensively, noted soon after the president's remarks that the government itself has admitted serious shortcomings in the response to the hurricane. More than half of the workforce -- 54 percent -- that FEMA sent to Puerto Rico lacked proper training, according to U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO).

Most of the deaths blamed on Maria in Puerto Rico, according to researchers, resulted not from the physical impact of the hurricane, but rather because of the shortcomings in preparedness and response -- the lack of access to medical care; to dialysis treatment and diabetes medication, for example. Begnaud says there was not a single cot in a warehouse in Puerto Rico before Hurricane Maria struck.

You guys need to stop with the idolizing and get real. He's a disaster. Pence would be worse. He can't say five words without a lie. You are the problem because the base has not turned on him.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-...best-ever/

As compared to you who wouldn't know the truth if it bit you. Dude, this is not healthy for you.

(09-12-2018 08:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 08:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  CBS News' David Begnaud, who has covered Maria's impact extensively, noted soon after the president's remarks that the government itself has admitted serious shortcomings in the response to the hurricane. More than half of the workforce -- 54 percent -- that FEMA sent to Puerto Rico lacked proper training, according to U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO).

Most of the deaths blamed on Maria in Puerto Rico, according to researchers, resulted not from the physical impact of the hurricane, but rather because of the shortcomings in preparedness and response -- the lack of access to medical care; to dialysis treatment and diabetes medication, for example. Begnaud says there was not a single cot in a warehouse in Puerto Rico before Hurricane Maria struck.

You guys need to stop with the idolizing and get real. He's a disaster. Pence would be worse. He can't say five words without a lie. You are the problem because the base has not turned on him.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-...best-ever/

Just stop.

Trump was President for less than 9 months when Maria hit. You seriously mean to tell me that you think in less than 9 months Trump completely ruined FEMA? You seriously think that FEMA was a 5 star agency up to January of 2017 then suddenly collapsed into incompetence?

Seems that if you REALLY want to point the finger, point it at Barry. He had 8 years to get FEMA "emergency ready" and didn't. Most of the people "in charge" were there long before Trump became President.

Trump Derangement Syndrome runs deep....

Thanks, I was just going to point all that out to him. Additionally PR had just been struck by Hurricane Irma two weeks prior and approximately 80,000 remained without power as Maria approached.

If there is any blame to be had it should be placed squarely on the local government of PR.

(09-12-2018 08:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Obama wasn't in charge. He was and he's lying to you and you are slopping it up like the good loyal puppy you are. Don't tolerate the lies. Can you say Trump did an unappreciated great job in Puerto Rico? Why do you defend the lies? Stop the insanity and call him out when he needs it. He is lying. Stop defending it? Those that do are the problem.

Dude, he took over 7 months prior. It's already been asked but why aren't you blaming your Lord Zero for this. He held the reins for 8 years and none of this was an issue then? You are incredibly dense if you don't understand this.

(09-12-2018 08:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I think we just need to restructure FEMA towards doing the logistics, finance and recovery assistance mission they are supposed to do and charge the EMAC to handle the "boots on the ground" response. Establishing a stand alone force to do what you are suggesting would be an expensive undertaking both in acquiring the necessary equipment and training to accomplish the mission and maintaining both so that it's ready when you need it.
IMO the best way to build a force like you described would be best accomplished by directing grants to local public safety agencies for multi-use equipment with the stipulation that as long as they have the equipment they are required to provide the equipment and trained staff for use in state level task forces that can be deployed when needed. For example you have a rescue squad on a large body of water that puts in for a grant to purchase a water rescue boat. They get the grant they are required to make it and a trained crew available to their state EMD to respond as needed both in-state and to fill EMAC requests. You could even do it with public works equipment. The town of Little Big Town gets a grant for a new front end loader and gets it. they are required to make available the equipment and X number of operators to their state EMD and EMAC when requested.

I think the public needs to be educated that the FEMA mission really is logistics and finance, so that people are not expecting them to do more the way they are now. Of course that merely exposes the issue that we really don't have any emergency response capability on a national scale, which may be why we don't do that.

My thinking about the national guard is that it would be a way to create a dedicated response force while paying for it train one weekend a month instead of 24/7/365. I like the idea of integrating public safety. On the Gulf Coast, we had a formal regional emergency planning and coordination effort including national guard, federal, state, and local law enforcement, national guard, Coast Guard, and Army and Navy (don't really remember Air Force) reserve elements because we addressed military as well as civilian issues. The FEMA guy used to attend the meetings, and he was always saying, "You do it and we'll pay for it, just make sure you get your accounting codes right." Of course, Katrina hit and Blanco did everything 180 out from the plan. Jindal followed the plan with Gustav, and the results were a lot better.

(09-12-2018 09:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...411369002/

Right on cue:

WASHINGTON — In a rare move, the government watchdog for the Federal Emergency Management Agency has removed a dozen largely positive reports evaluating how the agency responded under President Obama to several disasters from 2012 to 2016, according to an internal memo obtained by USA TODAY.

The 12 reports were rescinded by the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General because they "may have not adequately answered objectives and, in some cases, may have lacked sufficient and appropriate evidence to support conclusions," read the internal memo issued Thursday. "In an abundance of caution, we believe it best to recall the reports and not re-issue them."

The reports being removed include initial assessments of FEMA's responseto several disasters including two reports in 2013 on Hurricane Sandy in the Northeast, a 2014 report on storms and tornadoes in Oklahoma, and a 2016 report on severe wildfires in California.

All of them praised the agency, using words such as "effective" and "efficient" to characterize the agency's immediate response to major calamities. Typical of language used inthese reports, the Inspector General commended FEMA's response to the storms and flooding that hammered South Carolina in 2015.

Well hell Mach, it's right there in front of your freakin eyeballs. NONE OF THAT OCCURRED UNDER TRUMP. You can't be this freaking stupid! I'm going to say a prayer for you tonight that God will provide you some clarity and objectivity and that he'll somehow ease your tortured soul.

Are you that stupid that you cite a story about events that ALL occurred under Lord Zero when attempting to demonize your POTUS?????

You can't make this shite up..

(09-12-2018 09:42 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 08:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Obama wasn't in charge. He was and he's lying to you and you are slopping it up like the good loyal puppy you are. Don't tolerate the lies. Can you say Trump did an unappreciated great job in Puerto Rico? Why do you defend the lies? Stop the insanity and call him out when he needs it. He is lying. Stop defending it? Those that do are the problem.

Neither Trump nor Obama was in charge. The governor of Puerto Rico was. And the problems were baked into the cake by 100 or so years of taking cheap short cuts with infrastructure.

The problem is that the way our response to disasters is set up, it doesn't really matter who is president and what kind of job he or she does. Response to disasters is a state and local government function, not a federal function. FEMA is not a response agency, it's a management agency. State and local governments respond to emergencies, they send their bills to FEMA, and FEMA reimburses them. If the states and locals do well, then FEMA has nothing to do but write checks. If the states and locals screw it up, FEMA has no way to fix it.

I tink the process needs to be changed. I think we need an agency charged with actually responding to emergencies, not just a bunch of bean counters to pay bills. My idea would be to make disaster response the primary mission of the national guard, and equip and train guard units to perform that mission.

All of this ^

(09-12-2018 11:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I feel like something big is about to drop.

Hopefully it's mach's testicles and he can finally start acting like a grown ass man.