Is that they have set it up so that the MWC and the AAC fight for table scraps instead of banding together and challenging the overall system. Perhaps UCF and Boise are two of the top 4 teams in the nation. In this system we will never know. Instead they will tear each other down in the court of public opinion, exactly as the powers that be would like.

(09-10-2018 01:28 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Is that they have set it up so that the MWC and the AAC fight for table scraps instead of banding together and challenging the overall system. Perhaps UCF and Boise are two of the top 4 teams in the nation. In this system we will never know. Instead they will tear each other down in the court of public opinion, exactly as the powers that be would like.

AAC fans are no worse than the system with y'all ranking UCONN #12 in the Weekly Rank Em thread. The fact that UCF and Boise may both be (in your words) Top 4, yet everyone is ranking UCONN below the likes of Temple (who lost to FCS Nova and unranked G4 Buffalo) is the definition of hypocrisy.

Food for thought...

G5 -- lower tier P5's -- the Bluebloods.

(09-10-2018 01:34 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:28 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Is that they have set it up so that the MWC and the AAC fight for table scraps instead of banding together and challenging the overall system. Perhaps UCF and Boise are two of the top 4 teams in the nation. In this system we will never know. Instead they will tear each other down in the court of public opinion, exactly as the powers that be would like.

AAC fans are no worse than the system with y'all ranking UCONN #12 in the Weekly Rank Em thread. The fact that UCF and Boise may both be (in your words) Top 4, yet everyone is ranking UCONN below the likes of Temple (who lost to FCS Nova and unranked G4 Buffalo) is the definition of hypocrisy.

Food for thought...

#JusticeforUconn
#FreeAlexJones

(09-10-2018 01:34 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:28 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Is that they have set it up so that the MWC and the AAC fight for table scraps instead of banding together and challenging the overall system. Perhaps UCF and Boise are two of the top 4 teams in the nation. In this system we will never know. Instead they will tear each other down in the court of public opinion, exactly as the powers that be would like.

AAC fans are no worse than the system with y'all ranking UCONN #12 in the Weekly Rank Em thread. The fact that UCF and Boise may both be (in your words) Top 4, yet everyone is ranking UCONN below the likes of Temple (who lost to FCS Nova and unranked G4 Buffalo) is the definition of hypocrisy.

Food for thought...

My “perhaps” was posited as a hypothetical for the purpose of discussion. I don’t believe that is true right now, but if it were it would only further validate my point.

UCONN is fine, they’re just young and rebuilding. Don’t take some fans ranking too personal.

(09-10-2018 01:42 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

G5 -- lower tier P5's -- the Bluebloods.

Haha! That is perfect!

(09-10-2018 01:28 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Is that they have set it up so that the MWC and the AAC fight for table scraps instead of banding together and challenging the overall system. Perhaps UCF and Boise are two of the top 4 teams in the nation. In this system we will never know. Instead they will tear each other down in the court of public opinion, exactly as the powers that be would like.

Spoiler alert: they're not.

(09-10-2018 05:53 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:28 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Is that they have set it up so that the MWC and the AAC fight for table scraps instead of banding together and challenging the overall system. Perhaps UCF and Boise are two of the top 4 teams in the nation. In this system we will never know. Instead they will tear each other down in the court of public opinion, exactly as the powers that be would like.

Spoiler alert: they're not.

Perhaps. Are you also suggesting that losing to UCF and Boise is worse than losing to Villanova and Buffalo?

This system is here to stay for some time but I believe it can’t stay this way indefinitely
My guess is that the g5 will be forced to create its own playoffs because I can’t see the A5 ever giving up what they are now
The AAC will never be a P6 as a whole conference only some individual teams might get an invite to a A5 conference leaving the rest to do whatever they want
I will say that it kinda pisses me off that the A5 will poach the good g5 teams in the next five years or so only enhancing the flaud system they already have
I know Iam in the minority here but it sickens me to think of houston in the b12 after my whole life watching houston always being s**t on by these same schools in Texas and the b12
Yes I know , more money, access to a committee playoff, I don’t want to here it because I know the pros and cons

WE ALL NEED TO ROOT FOR BOISE ST TO LOSE!!!

Then the G5 NY6 spot will simply go to whomever wins the AAC.

It's that simple.

(09-10-2018 06:00 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 05:53 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:28 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Is that they have set it up so that the MWC and the AAC fight for table scraps instead of banding together and challenging the overall system. Perhaps UCF and Boise are two of the top 4 teams in the nation. In this system we will never know. Instead they will tear each other down in the court of public opinion, exactly as the powers that be would like.

Spoiler alert: they're not.

Perhaps. Are you also suggesting that losing to UCF and Boise is worse than losing to Villanova and Buffalo?

Actually that makes a lot of sense to me. We really haven't had a chance to see if you all have make some incremental progress due to opening against those two, but temple's suckiness has been on full display.

You know what? I feel the same way about this "band together" idea as I do about a "G5" playoff: screw that.
Resist that easy path to accepting second class status by binding yourselves to the clear underclass. You do the cartel's work for them if you throw up your hands and lower yourselves to the G4.

A key part of the P6, the whole AAC Strategic Plan, is to separate from the lower four. Never forget the strategic endstate here. Even this coming media rights deal is only an intermediate objective. The goal is to keep pace with the contract-bowl, autonomy conferences and create enough visible separation with the littles to be on the correct side of the divide that is coming in 6-7 years.

People want a "best of the rest" conference? Guess what we already are.

I looked at Massey composite for the top 12 non-contract-bowl teams over the last three years (the three years that the AAC has been constituted as it is today). I also looked further down for all the teams ranked #65 or above -- the top half of FBS.
Four teams made the top 12 all three years, and another five made the top half all three years (avg rankings noted)
AAC USF (34)
mwc Boise (34.67)
AAC Houston (35)
AAC Memphis (37)
AAC Navy (39)
MAC Toledo (39.67)
mwc SDSU (40)
SBC AppSt (45)
AAC Temple (48)

I would fill out the next three with WKU, BYU, Troy who were each twice in the Top 12, but then had an open frame. But that is just for the sake of having a 10-12 at the moment...

The AAC is already over 40% of any constructed "best of the rest" BYU isn't interested, Boise had their chance and tried to screw us over. SDSU I still like - they only pulled out because Boise left them on an island, but that is hard to manage. Toledo a decent case, but them, Appy, WKU, or Troy over national champ UCF (once in the top 12), UConn with MBB/WBB national titles, or even Tulsa (1 appearance in the top 12)? Cincy proved they could show out as a BCS auto-qual conference member and now appears to be coming back. ECU showed a glimmer this week of why they're here. Tulane and SMU bring money, academics, location.

Remember when the American rolled out P6 and the strategic plan? After the BigXII expansion mockery we have a window of not getting picked apart school by school so the strategic decision was made to make our case as a conference. It isn't asking the bigger five to suddenly feel good about us and open up their wallets, just to bring us along as a tweener when the split comes.
Sadly "band together" is incongruous with that. Life is tough.

Sounds good to me

(09-10-2018 01:34 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:28 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Is that they have set it up so that the MWC and the AAC fight for table scraps instead of banding together and challenging the overall system. Perhaps UCF and Boise are two of the top 4 teams in the nation. In this system we will never know. Instead they will tear each other down in the court of public opinion, exactly as the powers that be would like.

AAC fans are no worse than the system with y'all ranking UCONN #12 in the Weekly Rank Em thread. The fact that UCF and Boise may both be (in your words) Top 4, yet everyone is ranking UCONN below the likes of Temple (who lost to FCS Nova and unranked G4 Buffalo) is the definition of hypocrisy.

Food for thought...

Seriously that’s what upsets you? For the record I have Temple at 12 but I’m biased. Does it really matter whether Temple/UConn/SMU is ranked at 12 by fans?

Ehhh---most of the MW is hot garbage with budgets lower than the average AAC school. Boise, SDSU, and Air Force make up the only schools that would add any value, and 2 of those are ridiculously far from the rest of the AAC. If our current membership will simply keep investing in athletics---the overall quality of the AAC from top to bottom will continue to improve. We are miles ahead of the MW. Apparently, they are now looking at going all digital with their next TV contract---basically an admission that there is little interest among linear TV networks in their product.

We are better off on our own. Let them continue on as a slightly upgraded Big Sky filling in the big western empty spaces devoid of population.

(09-11-2018 12:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ehhh---most of the MW is hot garbage with budgets lower than the average AAC school. Boise, SDSU, and Air Force make up the only schools that would add any value, and 2 of those are ridiculously far from the rest of the AAC. If our current membership will simply keep investing in athletics---the overall quality of the AAC from top to bottom will continue to improve. We are miles ahead of the MW. Apparently, they are now looking at going all digital with their next TV contract---basically an admission that there is little interest among linear TV networks in their product.

We are better off on our own. Let them continue on as a slightly upgraded Big Sky filling in the big western empty spaces devoid of population.

The other factor in that is controlling kickoff times.
ESPN et al are interested in the mwc for late night (east coast) windows. Night kickoffs in October/November in the Rocky Mountains have driven down their attendance. If ESPN offered them a renewal at current prices, they had to choose between declining ticket revenue and future fanbase and this trickle of media money. It might be the better choice.

(09-11-2018 11:51 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:34 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:28 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Is that they have set it up so that the MWC and the AAC fight for table scraps instead of banding together and challenging the overall system. Perhaps UCF and Boise are two of the top 4 teams in the nation. In this system we will never know. Instead they will tear each other down in the court of public opinion, exactly as the powers that be would like.

AAC fans are no worse than the system with y'all ranking UCONN #12 in the Weekly Rank Em thread. The fact that UCF and Boise may both be (in your words) Top 4, yet everyone is ranking UCONN below the likes of Temple (who lost to FCS Nova and unranked G4 Buffalo) is the definition of hypocrisy.

Food for thought...

Seriously that’s what upsets you? For the record I have Temple at 12 but I’m biased. Does it really matter whether Temple/UConn/SMU is ranked at 12 by fans?

(09-10-2018 10:07 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  You know what? I feel the same way about this "band together" idea as I do about a "G5" playoff: screw that.
Resist that easy path to accepting second class status by binding yourselves to the clear underclass. You do the cartel's work for them if you throw up your hands and lower yourselves to the G4.

A key part of the P6, the whole AAC Strategic Plan, is to separate from the lower four. Never forget the strategic endstate here. Even this coming media rights deal is only an intermediate objective. The goal is to keep pace with the contract-bowl, autonomy conferences and create enough visible separation with the littles to be on the correct side of the divide that is coming in 6-7 years.

People want a "best of the rest" conference? Guess what we already are.

I looked at Massey composite for the top 12 non-contract-bowl teams over the last three years (the three years that the AAC has been constituted as it is today). I also looked further down for all the teams ranked #65 or above -- the top half of FBS.
Four teams made the top 12 all three years, and another five made the top half all three years (avg rankings noted)
AAC USF (34)
mwc Boise (34.67)
AAC Houston (35)
AAC Memphis (37)
AAC Navy (39)
MAC Toledo (39.67)
mwc SDSU (40)
SBC AppSt (45)
AAC Temple (48)

I would fill out the next three with WKU, BYU, Troy who were each twice in the Top 12, but then had an open frame. But that is just for the sake of having a 10-12 at the moment...

The AAC is already over 40% of any constructed "best of the rest" BYU isn't interested, Boise had their chance and tried to screw us over. SDSU I still like - they only pulled out because Boise left them on an island, but that is hard to manage. Toledo a decent case, but them, Appy, WKU, or Troy over national champ UCF (once in the top 12), UConn with MBB/WBB national titles, or even Tulsa (1 appearance in the top 12)? Cincy proved they could show out as a BCS auto-qual conference member and now appears to be coming back. ECU showed a glimmer this week of why they're here. Tulane and SMU bring money, academics, location.

Remember when the American rolled out P6 and the strategic plan? After the BigXII expansion mockery we have a window of not getting picked apart school by school so the strategic decision was made to make our case as a conference. It isn't asking the bigger five to suddenly feel good about us and open up their wallets, just to bring us along as a tweener when the split comes.
Sadly "band together" is incongruous with that. Life is tough.

THANK YOU! I'VE BEEN PREACHING THIS FOR A LONG TIME NOW. If we fall into this g5 auto-bid trap we would be stuck forever. A g5 auto-bid is fools gold meant to complete the divide for the p5 conferences. We're already seeing our separation from the g4 as we speak. We're only waiting for it to be quantified in our new "intermediate " deal. The talking heads already talk about the "g5" as though we're all some sort of a mega conference where we are all interchangeable year in and year out. This is their way of ignoring the p6 strategy, but we keep throwing a wrench in that narrative. We must keep the pressure on in the meantime until the next contract and hope that we can finally get a network (NBC hopefully and or ESPN with contacted language about how they portray our new brand and status to the public).

So what your saying is houston needs to win the NY6 bowl this year, ok cool no problem, I’ll inform applesnooz about it