(09-11-2018 02:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 02:08 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 12:32 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 11:10 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 08:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  During that time, the AAC's record against P5 teams is 30-45 (40%).

ACC 13-14
PAC 4-1
B12 4-13
B1G 4-6
SEC 4-7
ND 1-4

Individual schools' records vs the ACC:

Houston 3-0
Navy 2-0
Cincy 1-0
USF 3-2
ECU 3-2
UConn 1-4
Tulsa 0-1
Temple 0-1
Tulane 0-4

Records vs P5:

Houston 7-1
USF 6-3
Memphis 4-3
Cincy 3-1
Navy 3-2
UCF 2-4
ECU 3-5
Temple 1-4
UConn 1-6
Tulsa 0-5
Tulane 0-5
SMU 0-6

What a contrast between the top of the AAC and the bottom. So, by the powers vested in me by (well, no one) I hereby declare the AAC to be one of the P5 1/2 and also one of the G5 1/2. Ya gotta like the symmetry in that.

Well you can't get to 6 until you pass 5 1/2. The p6 is where we're headed not where we are at yet. I don't understand why some people don't understand that or are insecure about it to the point of real hate.

i dont think the hate is as strong as you suggest. sure some do, but others only point out that the p5 will not allow an entire conference to join their ranks. just like the list above shows a clear gap within the conference, the p5 will just cherry pick the top teams they want, and leave the rest. but imo you are free to chase your p6 goals to your hearts content.

Actually the p5 itself doesn't decide anything. You have some p5 conferences that are only p5 because the real powerbrokers decided that they wanted them to be. The actual deciders are the networks and the major bowls because they control the money. The old big east is a good example of that. When ESPN decided to that they no longer needed them they destroyed them. If you remember at the start of the CFP the AAC or any other conference would have been allowed to join the power ranks if they could secure a contract bowl. Guess what was needed for that,, hint a network willing to put money on up for that to happen. As I've said p6 is a goal to reach for,,,heck every g5 should be reaching for. Whether any make it or not, who knows but if you're not aiming for it then what's the point , but that's the American way.

Aresco's P6 campaign is harmless, it's also ineffectual, can never amount to anything, because history shows that conferences don't get promoted to "power" status, only schools do.

That was demonstrated yet again two years ago when the Big 12 said they were considering expansion: Every single G5 school, your Memphis and my USF included, went hat in hand to Big 12 headquarters begging to be invited to the Big 12, we were all ready to ditch the AAC in a nanosecond.

That's what every G5 school should be doing - constantly striving to build its brand so that a A5 conference will want you to join. I sure hope USF is doing that, round the clock.

Quo, do you think USF (and UCF) would ever consider accepting a football only invite to a P5 conference?

(09-11-2018 02:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 02:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 02:08 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 12:32 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 11:10 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Well you can't get to 6 until you pass 5 1/2. The p6 is where we're headed not where we are at yet. I don't understand why some people don't understand that or are insecure about it to the point of real hate.

i dont think the hate is as strong as you suggest. sure some do, but others only point out that the p5 will not allow an entire conference to join their ranks. just like the list above shows a clear gap within the conference, the p5 will just cherry pick the top teams they want, and leave the rest. but imo you are free to chase your p6 goals to your hearts content.

Actually the p5 itself doesn't decide anything. You have some p5 conferences that are only p5 because the real powerbrokers decided that they wanted them to be. The actual deciders are the networks and the major bowls because they control the money. The old big east is a good example of that. When ESPN decided to that they no longer needed them they destroyed them. If you remember at the start of the CFP the AAC or any other conference would have been allowed to join the power ranks if they could secure a contract bowl. Guess what was needed for that,, hint a network willing to put money on up for that to happen. As I've said p6 is a goal to reach for,,,heck every g5 should be reaching for. Whether any make it or not, who knows but if you're not aiming for it then what's the point , but that's the American way.

Aresco's P6 campaign is harmless, it's also ineffectual, can never amount to anything, because history shows that conferences don't get promoted to "power" status, only schools do.

That was demonstrated yet again two years ago when the Big 12 said they were considering expansion: Every single G5 school, your Memphis and my USF included, went hat in hand to Big 12 headquarters begging to be invited to the Big 12, we were all ready to ditch the AAC in a nanosecond.

That's what every G5 school should be doing - constantly striving to build its brand so that a A5 conference will want you to join. I sure hope USF is doing that, round the clock.

Quo, do you think USF (and UCF) would ever consider accepting a football only invite to a P5 conference?

Yes, in a millisecond. Even if it meant all other sports had to go independent or whatever.

(09-11-2018 02:08 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 12:32 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 11:10 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 08:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 11:44 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  30 wins out of how many games?
Same question for other teams?
You need % to make a better comparison.

During that time, the AAC's record against P5 teams is 30-45 (40%).

ACC 13-14
PAC 4-1
B12 4-13
B1G 4-6
SEC 4-7
ND 1-4

Individual schools' records vs the ACC:

Houston 3-0
Navy 2-0
Cincy 1-0
USF 3-2
ECU 3-2
UConn 1-4
Tulsa 0-1
Temple 0-1
Tulane 0-4

Records vs P5:

Houston 7-1
USF 6-3
Memphis 4-3
Cincy 3-1
Navy 3-2
UCF 2-4
ECU 3-5
Temple 1-4
UConn 1-6
Tulsa 0-5
Tulane 0-5
SMU 0-6

What a contrast between the top of the AAC and the bottom. So, by the powers vested in me by (well, no one) I hereby declare the AAC to be one of the P5 1/2 and also one of the G5 1/2. Ya gotta like the symmetry in that.

Well you can't get to 6 until you pass 5 1/2. The p6 is where we're headed not where we are at yet. I don't understand why some people don't understand that or are insecure about it to the point of real hate.

i dont think the hate is as strong as you suggest. sure some do, but others only point out that the p5 will not allow an entire conference to join their ranks. just like the list above shows a clear gap within the conference, the p5 will just cherry pick the top teams they want, and leave the rest. but imo you are free to chase your p6 goals to your hearts content.

Actually the p5 itself doesn't decide anything. You have some p5 conferences that are only p5 because the real powerbrokers decided that they wanted them to be. The actual deciders are the networks and the major bowls because they control the money. The old big east is a good example of that. When ESPN decided to that they no longer needed them they destroyed them. If you remember at the start of the CFP the AAC or any other conference would have been allowed to join the power ranks if they could secure a contract bowl. Guess what was needed for that,, hint a network willing to put money on up for that to happen. As I've said p6 is a goal to reach for,,,heck every g5 should be reaching for. Whether any make it or not, who knows but if you're not aiming for it then what's the point , but that's the American way.

ESPN is the biggest controller of college football. They seem intent on destroying s anyone who cannot make them a big buck. I am thankful they have nothing to do with the NCAA hoops tourney.


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Can we count UCF over UNC as an honorary win for the G5 over the P5?

(09-11-2018 06:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Can we count UCF over UNC as an honorary win for the G5 over the P5?

I wonder if there are any updates on that ARK-State lawsuit?

(09-11-2018 02:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 02:08 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 12:32 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 11:10 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 08:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  During that time, the AAC's record against P5 teams is 30-45 (40%).

ACC 13-14
PAC 4-1
B12 4-13
B1G 4-6
SEC 4-7
ND 1-4

Individual schools' records vs the ACC:

Houston 3-0
Navy 2-0
Cincy 1-0
USF 3-2
ECU 3-2
UConn 1-4
Tulsa 0-1
Temple 0-1
Tulane 0-4

Records vs P5:

Houston 7-1
USF 6-3
Memphis 4-3
Cincy 3-1
Navy 3-2
UCF 2-4
ECU 3-5
Temple 1-4
UConn 1-6
Tulsa 0-5
Tulane 0-5
SMU 0-6

What a contrast between the top of the AAC and the bottom. So, by the powers vested in me by (well, no one) I hereby declare the AAC to be one of the P5 1/2 and also one of the G5 1/2. Ya gotta like the symmetry in that.

Well you can't get to 6 until you pass 5 1/2. The p6 is where we're headed not where we are at yet. I don't understand why some people don't understand that or are insecure about it to the point of real hate.

i dont think the hate is as strong as you suggest. sure some do, but others only point out that the p5 will not allow an entire conference to join their ranks. just like the list above shows a clear gap within the conference, the p5 will just cherry pick the top teams they want, and leave the rest. but imo you are free to chase your p6 goals to your hearts content.

Actually the p5 itself doesn't decide anything. You have some p5 conferences that are only p5 because the real powerbrokers decided that they wanted them to be. The actual deciders are the networks and the major bowls because they control the money. The old big east is a good example of that. When ESPN decided to that they no longer needed them they destroyed them. If you remember at the start of the CFP the AAC or any other conference would have been allowed to join the power ranks if they could secure a contract bowl. Guess what was needed for that,, hint a network willing to put money on up for that to happen. As I've said p6 is a goal to reach for,,,heck every g5 should be reaching for. Whether any make it or not, who knows but if you're not aiming for it then what's the point , but that's the American way.

Aresco's P6 campaign is harmless, it's also ineffectual, can never amount to anything, because history shows that conferences don't get promoted to "power" status, only schools do.

That was demonstrated yet again two years ago when the Big 12 said they were considering expansion: Every single G5 school, your Memphis and my USF included, went hat in hand to Big 12 headquarters begging to be invited to the Big 12, we were all ready to ditch the AAC in a nanosecond.

That's what every G5 school should be doing - constantly striving to build its brand so that a A5 conference will want you to join. I sure hope USF is doing that, round the clock.

Not Navy.

Reports say UH won't wear their home Uni's this weekend for Tech's celebrate cotton days in Lubbock.

If true, I hope Tech gives UH the same treatment that UT, A&M and Baylor have done since the breakup of the SWC.

UH can beat Tech 100-0 in Lubbock and they never will get higher than the AAC.

(09-11-2018 11:10 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Well you can't get to 6 until you pass 5 1/2. The p6 is where we're headed not where we are at yet. I don't understand why some people don't understand that or are insecure about it to the point of real hate.

Tone of voice is awfully hard to catch in a text based forum ... there are people who laugh at the pretension of the P6 claim out of spite, and those who laugh because they genuinely find it amusing.

But being silly doesn't automatically mean it's bad branding ... sometimes good and effective branding is silly.

(09-11-2018 08:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 02:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 02:08 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 12:32 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 11:10 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Well you can't get to 6 until you pass 5 1/2. The p6 is where we're headed not where we are at yet. I don't understand why some people don't understand that or are insecure about it to the point of real hate.

i dont think the hate is as strong as you suggest. sure some do, but others only point out that the p5 will not allow an entire conference to join their ranks. just like the list above shows a clear gap within the conference, the p5 will just cherry pick the top teams they want, and leave the rest. but imo you are free to chase your p6 goals to your hearts content.

Actually the p5 itself doesn't decide anything. You have some p5 conferences that are only p5 because the real powerbrokers decided that they wanted them to be. The actual deciders are the networks and the major bowls because they control the money. The old big east is a good example of that. When ESPN decided to that they no longer needed them they destroyed them. If you remember at the start of the CFP the AAC or any other conference would have been allowed to join the power ranks if they could secure a contract bowl. Guess what was needed for that,, hint a network willing to put money on up for that to happen. As I've said p6 is a goal to reach for,,,heck every g5 should be reaching for. Whether any make it or not, who knows but if you're not aiming for it then what's the point , but that's the American way.

Aresco's P6 campaign is harmless, it's also ineffectual, can never amount to anything, because history shows that conferences don't get promoted to "power" status, only schools do.

That was demonstrated yet again two years ago when the Big 12 said they were considering expansion: Every single G5 school, your Memphis and my USF included, went hat in hand to Big 12 headquarters begging to be invited to the Big 12, we were all ready to ditch the AAC in a nanosecond.

That's what every G5 school should be doing - constantly striving to build its brand so that a A5 conference will want you to join. I sure hope USF is doing that, round the clock.

Not Navy.

FWIW, I don't count Navy and the other military academies in these kinds of discussions. They are in a unique category of their own, don't operate by the same calculus. I mean, they are arms of the Federal Government.

(09-12-2018 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 08:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 02:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 02:08 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 12:32 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  i dont think the hate is as strong as you suggest. sure some do, but others only point out that the p5 will not allow an entire conference to join their ranks. just like the list above shows a clear gap within the conference, the p5 will just cherry pick the top teams they want, and leave the rest. but imo you are free to chase your p6 goals to your hearts content.

Actually the p5 itself doesn't decide anything. You have some p5 conferences that are only p5 because the real powerbrokers decided that they wanted them to be. The actual deciders are the networks and the major bowls because they control the money. The old big east is a good example of that. When ESPN decided to that they no longer needed them they destroyed them. If you remember at the start of the CFP the AAC or any other conference would have been allowed to join the power ranks if they could secure a contract bowl. Guess what was needed for that,, hint a network willing to put money on up for that to happen. As I've said p6 is a goal to reach for,,,heck every g5 should be reaching for. Whether any make it or not, who knows but if you're not aiming for it then what's the point , but that's the American way.

Aresco's P6 campaign is harmless, it's also ineffectual, can never amount to anything, because history shows that conferences don't get promoted to "power" status, only schools do.

That was demonstrated yet again two years ago when the Big 12 said they were considering expansion: Every single G5 school, your Memphis and my USF included, went hat in hand to Big 12 headquarters begging to be invited to the Big 12, we were all ready to ditch the AAC in a nanosecond.

That's what every G5 school should be doing - constantly striving to build its brand so that a A5 conference will want you to join. I sure hope USF is doing that, round the clock.

Not Navy.

FWIW, I don't count Navy and the other military academies in these kinds of discussions. They are in a unique category of their own, don't operate by the same calculus. I mean, they are arms of the Federal Government.

I agree. I think most of us do. If Air Force made a run I suspect a few posters on here would be exposed though...

(09-12-2018 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 08:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 02:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 02:08 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 12:32 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  i dont think the hate is as strong as you suggest. sure some do, but others only point out that the p5 will not allow an entire conference to join their ranks. just like the list above shows a clear gap within the conference, the p5 will just cherry pick the top teams they want, and leave the rest. but imo you are free to chase your p6 goals to your hearts content.

Actually the p5 itself doesn't decide anything. You have some p5 conferences that are only p5 because the real powerbrokers decided that they wanted them to be. The actual deciders are the networks and the major bowls because they control the money. The old big east is a good example of that. When ESPN decided to that they no longer needed them they destroyed them. If you remember at the start of the CFP the AAC or any other conference would have been allowed to join the power ranks if they could secure a contract bowl. Guess what was needed for that,, hint a network willing to put money on up for that to happen. As I've said p6 is a goal to reach for,,,heck every g5 should be reaching for. Whether any make it or not, who knows but if you're not aiming for it then what's the point , but that's the American way.

Aresco's P6 campaign is harmless, it's also ineffectual, can never amount to anything, because history shows that conferences don't get promoted to "power" status, only schools do.

That was demonstrated yet again two years ago when the Big 12 said they were considering expansion: Every single G5 school, your Memphis and my USF included, went hat in hand to Big 12 headquarters begging to be invited to the Big 12, we were all ready to ditch the AAC in a nanosecond.

That's what every G5 school should be doing - constantly striving to build its brand so that a A5 conference will want you to join. I sure hope USF is doing that, round the clock.

Not Navy.

FWIW, I don't count Navy and the other military academies in these kinds of discussions. They are in a unique category of their own, don't operate by the same calculus. I mean, they are arms of the Federal Government.

No argument about being in a category of three. No argument our calculus (calculi since there are three?) are different.
Three points though:
- Air Force DID make a play for BigXII
- If Navy had made a play for football only BigXII, it would not have been that far off Navy saying "yes" to BCS auto-qual BigEast in 2011. I honestly think that inaction reflected a belief that "P6" AAC was the best way to strategic goals.
- I want to make sure "arms of the Federal Government" isn't misconstrued. Navy Football gets roughly ZERO taxpayer dollars. Naval Academy Athletic Association is a 501©3 that takes in all the money, pays Coach Niumat et al and supports 33 varsity intercollegiate sports plus some clubs with only an unavoidable 3% of the budget being federal government (unavoidable because of how travel and stuff has to be handled with coaches civilian and military, who are also profs in the PE Department)

(09-12-2018 06:38 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  - I want to make sure "arms of the Federal Government" isn't misconstrued. Navy Football gets roughly ZERO taxpayer dollars. Naval Academy Athletic Association is a 501©3 that takes in all the money, pays Coach Niumat et al and supports 33 varsity intercollegiate sports plus some clubs with only an unavoidable 3% of the budget being federal government (unavoidable because of how travel and stuff has to be handled with coaches civilian and military, who are also profs in the PE Department)

I get that Navy athletics is almost entirely funded through external sources, but nevertheless, the NAAA is overseen by the commanders running the Naval Academy. They might let day to day control devolve to civilian directors and coaches, but they can intervene any time they like. As the Navy web site says:

"All negotiations, plans, appointments and acts of the NAAA which directly affect the Naval Academy athletic program are subject to the review of the NAAA Board of Control and ultimately the approval of the Superintendent of the Naval Academy."

(09-12-2018 07:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 06:38 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  - I want to make sure "arms of the Federal Government" isn't misconstrued. Navy Football gets roughly ZERO taxpayer dollars. Naval Academy Athletic Association is a 501©3 that takes in all the money, pays Coach Niumat et al and supports 33 varsity intercollegiate sports plus some clubs with only an unavoidable 3% of the budget being federal government (unavoidable because of how travel and stuff has to be handled with coaches civilian and military, who are also profs in the PE Department)

I get that Navy athletics is almost entirely funded through external sources, but nevertheless, the NAAA is overseen by the commanders running the Naval Academy. They might let day to day control devolve to civilian directors and coaches, but they can intervene any time they like. As the Navy web site says:

"All negotiations, plans, appointments and acts of the NAAA which directly affect the Naval Academy athletic program are subject to the review of the NAAA Board of Control and ultimately the approval of the Superintendent of the Naval Academy."

Agree.
However I see plenty of people on these boards saying things like "Navy football just flies free on military aircraft" so I always gotta proseltyze.

(09-11-2018 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 06:24 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

Reports say UH won't wear their home Uni's this weekend for Tech's celebrate cotton days in Lubbock.

Don't blame us. Tech forgot to ask to wear white before the season started, like the contract says.

And Tech sometimes wears black to celebrate this Cotton game. Nothing stopping you from wearing black again . . .

(09-12-2018 09:37 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 07:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 06:38 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  - I want to make sure "arms of the Federal Government" isn't misconstrued. Navy Football gets roughly ZERO taxpayer dollars. Naval Academy Athletic Association is a 501©3 that takes in all the money, pays Coach Niumat et al and supports 33 varsity intercollegiate sports plus some clubs with only an unavoidable 3% of the budget being federal government (unavoidable because of how travel and stuff has to be handled with coaches civilian and military, who are also profs in the PE Department)

I get that Navy athletics is almost entirely funded through external sources, but nevertheless, the NAAA is overseen by the commanders running the Naval Academy. They might let day to day control devolve to civilian directors and coaches, but they can intervene any time they like. As the Navy web site says:

"All negotiations, plans, appointments and acts of the NAAA which directly affect the Naval Academy athletic program are subject to the review of the NAAA Board of Control and ultimately the approval of the Superintendent of the Naval Academy."

Agree.
However I see plenty of people on these boards saying things like "Navy football just flies free on military aircraft" so I always gotta proseltyze.

I agree it's a fair point you are making, and it makes Navy exemplary. It means you guys don't soak your students with fees to fund athletics, which is as it should be.

(09-13-2018 07:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 06:24 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

Reports say UH won't wear their home Uni's this weekend for Tech's celebrate cotton days in Lubbock.

Don't blame us. Tech forgot to ask to wear white before the season started, like the contract says.

And Tech sometimes wears black to celebrate this Cotton game. Nothing stopping you from wearing black again . . .

https://wreckemred.com/2018/09/13/housto...ey-relief/

Doesn't matter at this point but Tech asked several times during the summer and UH declined.

I don't care if we wear white, red or black as long as we win. I'm sure Kirby Hocutt will reconsider future games vs UH. UT, A&M, Baylor and TCU won't play UH. Maybe Tech should do the same.

(09-13-2018 09:25 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 07:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 06:24 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

Reports say UH won't wear their home Uni's this weekend for Tech's celebrate cotton days in Lubbock.

Don't blame us. Tech forgot to ask to wear white before the season started, like the contract says.

And Tech sometimes wears black to celebrate this Cotton game. Nothing stopping you from wearing black again . . .

https://wreckemred.com/2018/09/13/housto...ey-relief/

Doesn't matter at this point but Tech asked several times during the summer and UH declined.

I don't care if we wear white, red or black as long as we win. I'm sure Kirby Hocutt will reconsider future games vs UH. UT, A&M, Baylor and TCU won't play UH. Maybe Tech should do the same.

Bringing Harvey into all of this is what's petty. My God, keep that Tech propaganda on the Tech board.

(09-13-2018 10:07 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 09:25 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 07:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 10:56 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 06:24 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

Reports say UH won't wear their home Uni's this weekend for Tech's celebrate cotton days in Lubbock.

Don't blame us. Tech forgot to ask to wear white before the season started, like the contract says.

And Tech sometimes wears black to celebrate this Cotton game. Nothing stopping you from wearing black again . . .

https://wreckemred.com/2018/09/13/housto...ey-relief/

Doesn't matter at this point but Tech asked several times during the summer and UH declined.

I don't care if we wear white, red or black as long as we win. I'm sure Kirby Hocutt will reconsider future games vs UH. UT, A&M, Baylor and TCU won't play UH. Maybe Tech should do the same.

Bringing Harvey into all of this is what's petty. My God, keep that Tech propaganda on the Tech board.

It was hot as heck on the east side of Jones Stadium today. In the end, the Uni's didn't matter.

Good game

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