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RE: UNCC game discussion
(09-11-2018 10:27 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

A lot of forecasts are showing the storm being pushed further southward which would put Charlotte in the danger zone. It'd be good news for us in SW VA but very bad for those in Western NC. I have a feeling this game won't be played.
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If this game gets played, I hope to see both freshman RBs. Think they could help turn the tide.
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RE: UNCC game discussion
(09-09-2018 07:31 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 04:54 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 04:50 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  I would be surprised if Davis doesn’t see the field next week. Our lack of a running game is crippling given our QB situation. Cox is a power running back and we desperately need a complimentary speedster or scatback.

yes

It is irrelevant without an OL that can run block or proper FBS caliber run blocking schemes. Isiah Harper and others have plenty of speed. There are no running lanes and the awful play calling keeps 9 men in the box. To have any hope, we will have to pass first in order to establish any sort of running game. Since we have only FCS caliber QBs, I am rapidly losing any hope for a decent season.

I think this is on the mark, couldn't help but watch FIU dare us to pass. They were crowding the box and did everything but send the invitation to pass -- which we blew.
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RE: UNCC game discussion
(09-09-2018 07:47 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Who woulda thunk that we would be headed to Charlotte "hoping" for a win?

They are on par with us ..... so I can't help but wonder, if they have not already passed us, how long will it take for them to pass us? That says a lot about program development, recruiting, and coaching.
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RE: UNCC game discussion
(09-09-2018 07:31 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 04:54 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 04:50 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  I would be surprised if Davis doesn’t see the field next week. Our lack of a running game is crippling given our QB situation. Cox is a power running back and we desperately need a complimentary speedster or scatback.

yes

It is irrelevant without an OL that can run block or proper FBS caliber run blocking schemes. Isiah Harper and others have plenty of speed. There are no running lanes and the awful play calling keeps 9 men in the box. To have any hope, we will have to pass first in order to establish any sort of running game. Since we have only FCS caliber QBs, I am rapidly losing any hope for a decent season.
Cal I usually agree with you, but this time I think using quicker backs like the two freshmen is the way to go. Against FIU the holes were there, but Jeremy with the ankle just can't get there quick enough. Jackson had a couple of decent runs in the second half, but they didn't stick with him. I agree our line does not hold blocks very long, but holes are there. The coaching staff needs to let Jeremy get to 100% before playing.

My biggest issue with line is philosophy. How is our line expected to get leverage when they are always in a two point stance. It is hard to get lower then your opponent in a two point stance. I am not suggesting telegraphing run plays, but mixing it up would help the OL.
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RE: UNCC game discussion
(09-11-2018 04:48 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 07:31 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 04:54 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 04:50 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  I would be surprised if Davis doesn’t see the field next week. Our lack of a running game is crippling given our QB situation. Cox is a power running back and we desperately need a complimentary speedster or scatback.

yes

It is irrelevant without an OL that can run block or proper FBS caliber run blocking schemes. Isiah Harper and others have plenty of speed. There are no running lanes and the awful play calling keeps 9 men in the box. To have any hope, we will have to pass first in order to establish any sort of running game. Since we have only FCS caliber QBs, I am rapidly losing any hope for a decent season.
Cal I usually agree with you, but this time I think using quicker backs like the two freshmen is the way to go. Against FIU the holes were there, but Jeremy with the ankle just can't get there quick enough. Jackson had a couple of decent runs in the second half, but they didn't stick with him. I agree our line does not hold blocks very long, but holes are there. The coaching staff needs to let Jeremy get to 100% before playing.

My biggest issue with line is philosophy. How is our line expected to get leverage when they are always in a two point stance. It is hard to get lower then your opponent in a two point stance. I am not suggesting telegraphing run plays, but mixing it up would help the OL.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you. The running lanes are not wide or open for very long. If we have a talented RB like Lawry who can exploit them, so be it. However, running side to side and stretching out defenses who have mobile DLs and fast LBs is not working.
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RE: UNCC game discussion
(09-11-2018 04:54 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  
(09-11-2018 04:48 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 07:31 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 04:54 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 04:50 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  I would be surprised if Davis doesn’t see the field next week. Our lack of a running game is crippling given our QB situation. Cox is a power running back and we desperately need a complimentary speedster or scatback.

yes

It is irrelevant without an OL that can run block or proper FBS caliber run blocking schemes. Isiah Harper and others have plenty of speed. There are no running lanes and the awful play calling keeps 9 men in the box. To have any hope, we will have to pass first in order to establish any sort of running game. Since we have only FCS caliber QBs, I am rapidly losing any hope for a decent season.
Cal I usually agree with you, but this time I think using quicker backs like the two freshmen is the way to go. Against FIU the holes were there, but Jeremy with the ankle just can't get there quick enough. Jackson had a couple of decent runs in the second half, but they didn't stick with him. I agree our line does not hold blocks very long, but holes are there. The coaching staff needs to let Jeremy get to 100% before playing.

My biggest issue with line is philosophy. How is our line expected to get leverage when they are always in a two point stance. It is hard to get lower then your opponent in a two point stance. I am not suggesting telegraphing run plays, but mixing it up would help the OL.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you. The running lanes are not wide or open for very long. If we have a talented RB like Lawry who can exploit them, so be it. However, running side to side and stretching out defenses who have mobile DLs and fast LBs is not working.


We don't know if that works or not as we rarely do that. Once in awhile we run a jet sweep.
Otherwise we have no real edge running game at all. Almost everything is between the tackles. No motion, no misdirection.
Consequently teams stack the box and dare us to pass.
In fact, and correct me if I am wrong, but unlike in past years, the opposition has thus far hardly even found it necessary to run/pass blitz in the first two games.

Our offense is very simplistic, almost sandlot, and always has been
Ray Lawry cut so well and was so quick to the hole he was able to get behind the defense.
Like with TH, we may never see another RL.

The other aspect of our rushing game is that silly wide receiver screen that never has worked.
Some here have called it a "bubble screen". However the WR does not come back hard toward the middle and there is not a "bubble" of blockers in front - both of which are requirements for the bubble screen.
It is a naked WR screen that usually takes so long to develop that the receiver is in danger of getting smushed

BTW the rushing lanes close so quickly that the longevity of our running backs is questionable as they are getting smushed as well.

Hehe I like that word, 'smushed'

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RE: UNCC game discussion
(09-11-2018 06:23 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(09-11-2018 04:54 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  
(09-11-2018 04:48 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 07:31 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 04:54 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  yes

It is irrelevant without an OL that can run block or proper FBS caliber run blocking schemes. Isiah Harper and others have plenty of speed. There are no running lanes and the awful play calling keeps 9 men in the box. To have any hope, we will have to pass first in order to establish any sort of running game. Since we have only FCS caliber QBs, I am rapidly losing any hope for a decent season.
Cal I usually agree with you, but this time I think using quicker backs like the two freshmen is the way to go. Against FIU the holes were there, but Jeremy with the ankle just can't get there quick enough. Jackson had a couple of decent runs in the second half, but they didn't stick with him. I agree our line does not hold blocks very long, but holes are there. The coaching staff needs to let Jeremy get to 100% before playing.

My biggest issue with line is philosophy. How is our line expected to get leverage when they are always in a two point stance. It is hard to get lower then your opponent in a two point stance. I am not suggesting telegraphing run plays, but mixing it up would help the OL.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you. The running lanes are not wide or open for very long. If we have a talented RB like Lawry who can exploit them, so be it. However, running side to side and stretching out defenses who have mobile DLs and fast LBs is not working.


We don't know if that works or not we rarely do that. Once in awhile we run a jet sweep.
Otherwise we have no real edge running game at all. Almost everything is between the tackles. No motion, no misdirection.
Consequently teams stack the box and dare us to pass.

Our offense is very simplistic, almost sandlot, and always has been
Ray Lawry cut so well and was so quick to the hole he was able to get behind the defense.
Like with TH, we may never see another RL.

The other aspect of our rushing game is that silly wide receiver screen that never has worked.
Some here have called it a "bubble screen". However the WR does not come back hard toward the middle and there is not a "bubble" of blockers in front - both of which are requirements for the bubble screen.
It is a naked WR screen that usually takes so long to develop that the receiver is in danger of getting smushed

BTW the rushing lanes close so quickly that the longevity of our running backs is questionable as they are getting smushed as well.

Hehe I like that word, 'smushed'

04-cheers

Totally agree about the simplistic running schemes, no misdirection, no pulling guards, nothing to confuse opposing defenses and defensive coordinators. Maybe the excuse is lack of adequate OL personnel. Everything is simple and predictable. We need to throw the ball more frequently and consistently to loosen up the stacked run defenses. It does feel like we are playing ball at a lower level than the elite of our league who have smart and creative FBS coordinators and schemes.
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We will lose this game if our running game doesn’t improve. It’s that simple. The passing game is too inconsistent (primarily only big plays) and our defense has too many breakdowns in the secondary.
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(09-11-2018 06:23 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(09-11-2018 04:54 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  
(09-11-2018 04:48 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 07:31 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 04:54 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  yes

It is irrelevant without an OL that can run block or proper FBS caliber run blocking schemes. Isiah Harper and others have plenty of speed. There are no running lanes and the awful play calling keeps 9 men in the box. To have any hope, we will have to pass first in order to establish any sort of running game. Since we have only FCS caliber QBs, I am rapidly losing any hope for a decent season.
Cal I usually agree with you, but this time I think using quicker backs like the two freshmen is the way to go. Against FIU the holes were there, but Jeremy with the ankle just can't get there quick enough. Jackson had a couple of decent runs in the second half, but they didn't stick with him. I agree our line does not hold blocks very long, but holes are there. The coaching staff needs to let Jeremy get to 100% before playing.

My biggest issue with line is philosophy. How is our line expected to get leverage when they are always in a two point stance. It is hard to get lower then your opponent in a two point stance. I am not suggesting telegraphing run plays, but mixing it up would help the OL.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you. The running lanes are not wide or open for very long. If we have a talented RB like Lawry who can exploit them, so be it. However, running side to side and stretching out defenses who have mobile DLs and fast LBs is not working.


We don't know if that works or not as we rarely do that. Once in awhile we run a jet sweep.
Otherwise we have no real edge running game at all. Almost everything is between the tackles. No motion, no misdirection.
Consequently teams stack the box and dare us to pass.
In fact, and correct me if I am wrong, but unlike in past years, the opposition has thus far hardly even found it necessary to run/pass blitz in the first two games.

Our offense is very simplistic, almost sandlot, and always has been
Ray Lawry cut so well and was so quick to the hole he was able to get behind the defense.
Like with TH, we may never see another RL.

The other aspect of our rushing game is that silly wide receiver screen that never has worked.
Some here have called it a "bubble screen". However the WR does not come back hard toward the middle and there is not a "bubble" of blockers in front - both of which are requirements for the bubble screen.
It is a naked WR screen that usually takes so long to develop that the receiver is in danger of getting smushed

BTW the rushing lanes close so quickly that the longevity of our running backs is questionable as they are getting smushed as well.

Hehe I like that word, 'smushed'

04-cheers

Thought I saw a few "end arounds" Saturday and came away thinking " I wonder why our jet sweeps result in 3 yard losses and everyone else's make 5-7 yards." Blocking? Same with the throw to the wide receiver
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We run zone. Need RBs that press line and make one cut and go. The lanes are there. Hopefully the freshman are the right fit.
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So we sent the team right into the path of the storm??
Why?


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UNCC has just announced cancellation of classes starting at 5:30 pm tomorrow. I am quite sure the game will be cancelled as well.

But who knows 01-wingedeagle
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(09-11-2018 10:05 PM)Big Blue Crazy Wrote:  So we sent the team right into the path of the storm??
Why?


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Look for an announcement the game will be held tomorrow.
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(09-12-2018 10:04 AM)moss2k Wrote:  Look for an announcement the game will be held tomorrow.

We are playing the game tomorrow?
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(09-12-2018 10:04 AM)moss2k Wrote:  Look for an announcement the game will be held tomorrow.

We are playing the game tomorrow?

Appears so. I imagine an announcement will be coming in the immediate future.
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Should have just moved the game to Norfolk 07-coffee3
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