(09-12-2018 06:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 09:25 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I want to see a few more data points (weeks) yet before I jump to any conclusions on who is good.

If this was 1998 for any MAC team to beat Purdue would by default mean they would be good enough to finish with a winning season. These days even second division MAC teams can pick up an A5 scalp like EMU did last season. Toledo was terrible the year they beat Michigan.

I agree with this. Even a team that ends up winning the MAC can look bad in their first few games. But it's still fun.

True but that is nothing to be proud of.

3-9 MAC teams picking up A5 scalps is something to be proud of.

(09-12-2018 06:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 09:53 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 09:44 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  EMU only scored 19 points in that win. They scratched out a win over a second tier B1G team which anyone in the MAC could have done.

If they had did it 62-7 against Purdue that is a different story. They would be up there with Boise St and UCF as potential access bowl contenders then.

Purdue was a 6 or 7 win BIG team last season. They were only 2nd tier if the BIG consists of three or four tiers. Purdue is not Illinois. A win over Purdue is as good as a win over Minnesota, or Northwestern.


NIU probably doesn't score 10 points against Purdue, and BG and WMU probably gives up 35+

Purdue was definitely trending up last year, indeed really more of a Northwestern or Minnesota then Illinois or Rutgers.

(09-09-2018 09:44 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  EMU only scored 19 points in that win. They scratched out a win over a second tier B1G team which anyone in the MAC could have done.

If they had did it 62-7 against Purdue that is a different story. They would be up there with Boise St and UCF as potential access bowl contenders then.

Toledo and Ohio would be the only other ones I could beating Purdue, maybe Northern Illinois.

(09-09-2018 09:25 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I want to see a few more data points (weeks) yet before I jump to any conclusions on who is good.

If this was 1998 for any MAC team to beat Purdue would by default mean they would be good enough to finish with a winning season. These days even second division MAC teams can pick up an A5 scalp like EMU did last season. Toledo was terrible the year they beat Michigan.

I agree with this. Even a team that ends up winning the MAC can look bad in their first few games. But it's still fun.

(09-09-2018 08:53 PM)emu steve Wrote:  EMU is, finally, catching a break: CMU, WMU and NIU, are headed downward.

Playing the MAC West has been a gauntlet for EMU in the past.

That's what I was thinking.

Not sure NIU is heading downwards - at least, in relation to last year. They are heading downwards compared to a few years ago.

(09-12-2018 06:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I have:
1.) Toledo
2.) Ohio
3.) Eastern Michigan
4.) Buffalo
5.) Ball St
6.) Akron
7.) Kent St
8.) Northern Illinois
9.) Bowling Green St
10.) Miami of Ohio
11.) Western Michigan
12.) Central Michigan

As of now.

I think you are seeing today, real competition yields different outcomes.

Toledo offense might be the best in the conference but their defense is down there with the worst of them.

(09-15-2018 02:06 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Toledo offense might be the best in the conference but their defense is down there with the worst of them.

Got news for you. Rockets gave up 52 points to Miami last season and almost 10 yds per rushing attempt. This year's Defensive numbers are a lot better.Rockets still managed to win the 2017 MACC and led in Scoring Defense in Conference games. When you have 9 series of 5 plays or less and out, you give your opponent more opportunities to rack up yardage and score. MAC teams don't have a front seven where virtually all are 4 star recruits and are just a step down from a NFL Defense. You'll see during the MAC season how good the Rockets are defensively against MAC teams.