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An unfortunate end to the Women’s final at US Open yesterday
I watched it live and missed what led to the first offense and point penalty. But it was tough to miss the ensuing drama and unfortunate game penalty. I’ve never seen that in a match let alone a Grand Slam final. Even with all we’ve seen from McEnroe never a game awarded to an opponent at such a critical juncture.
To reset, Serena was down 1 set to love (2-6). 2nd set is issued a warning in 2nd game while up 1-0 for receiving coaching (1st offense). Honestly, I’ve always seen coaches coach during matches, didn’t realize there was even a rule against it. The question of her integrity really set her off, and I think rightfully so. She later cracks her racket in disgust after getting broken but still up 3-2, and awarded a point penalty (2nd offense). That sets her completely off the rails and she repeatedly jaws at the chair ump. Eventually gets a game penalty for verbal abuse (3rd offense). At a huge juncture it puts here from down 3-4 but on serve to down 3-5 with Osaka serving for match. Which she held and won the championship.
It’s unfortunate in many ways. Firstly, Osaka was a worthy champion and the hystrionics really detracted from her 1st ever Grand Slam championship. I think Williams could’ve handled it better but that’s hard to say when she clearly felt attacked and robbed of a Championship. Serena handled the uncomfortable awards ceremony as well as she could have and tried to make it more about the champion. The chair ump was well thought of prior to this incident but he did not handle the situation very well himself, I think showed a degree of restraint but his initial judgement seemed poor.
09-09-2018 01:50 AM
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She is a "Nike athlete" though, so is a hero regardless. Karma?
09-09-2018 06:49 AM
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RE: An unfortunate end to the Women’s final at US Open yesterday
More a case of a judge with an ego problem.

But he wasn’t going to take it from a woman pointing a finger at him and speaking in a tone of aggression. So he gave Williams that third violation for “verbal abuse” and a whole game penalty, and now it was 5-3, and we will never know whether young Osaka really won the 2018 U.S. Open or had it handed to her by a man who was going to make Serena Williams feel his power. It was an offense far worse than any that Williams committed. Chris Evert spoke for the entire crowd and television audience when she said, “I’ve been in tennis a long time, and I’ve never seen anything like it.”
09-09-2018 05:50 PM
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RE: An unfortunate end to the Women’s final at US Open yesterday
(09-09-2018 05:50 PM)ChipfanII Wrote:  More a case of a judge with an ego problem.

But he wasn’t going to take it from a woman pointing a finger at him and speaking in a tone of aggression. So he gave Williams that third violation for “verbal abuse” and a whole game penalty, and now it was 5-3, and we will never know whether young Osaka really won the 2018 U.S. Open or had it handed to her by a man who was going to make Serena Williams feel his power. It was an offense far worse than any that Williams committed. Chris Evert spoke for the entire crowd and television audience when she said, “I’ve been in tennis a long time, and I’ve never seen anything like it.”

The crowd was in NY City, and was wanting the American to win over the opponent from Japan. Chris Evert is pals with SW. No surprise that the crowd and CE thinks it was a bad call by the official. But the official gave multiple warnings, and SW simply added to her own problems, believing that because she was Serena that the rules are optional, and that she was entitled to a tantrum. I'm not sure whether tennis allows what she did for others, or for men in particular; but they shouldn't.

She was already a set down in the three set match, and was just on serve in the second set, so to suggest she had a match "stolen" from her is inaccurate. She lost. I feel bad for her opponent because her great accomplishment is diminished because of a primadonna.
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RE: An unfortunate end to the Women’s final at US Open yesterday
(09-10-2018 12:35 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 05:50 PM)ChipfanII Wrote:  More a case of a judge with an ego problem.

But he wasn’t going to take it from a woman pointing a finger at him and speaking in a tone of aggression. So he gave Williams that third violation for “verbal abuse” and a whole game penalty, and now it was 5-3, and we will never know whether young Osaka really won the 2018 U.S. Open or had it handed to her by a man who was going to make Serena Williams feel his power. It was an offense far worse than any that Williams committed. Chris Evert spoke for the entire crowd and television audience when she said, “I’ve been in tennis a long time, and I’ve never seen anything like it.”

The crowd was in NY City, and was wanting the American to win over the opponent from Japan. Chris Evert is pals with SW. No surprise that the crowd and CE thinks it was a bad call by the official. But the official gave multiple warnings, and SW simply added to her own problems, believing that because she was Serena that the rules are optional, and that she was entitled to a tantrum. I'm not sure whether tennis allows what she did for others, or for men in particular; but they shouldn't.

She was already a set down in the three set match, and was just on serve in the second set, so to suggest she had a match "stolen" from her is inaccurate. She lost. I feel bad for her opponent because her great accomplishment is diminished because of a primadonna.

Several of the men have come out and said they have either said and done worse or heard worse on the court with no penalty. To have it happen in a championship match is unheard of. Had she not been penalized and held serve to make it 4-4 in the 2nd set, it’s maybe a different match? But to go to 3-5 and having to break serve to stay in it is a much more difficult proposition.
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RE: An unfortunate end to the Women’s final at US Open yesterday
(09-10-2018 01:48 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  
(09-10-2018 12:35 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 05:50 PM)ChipfanII Wrote:  More a case of a judge with an ego problem.

But he wasn’t going to take it from a woman pointing a finger at him and speaking in a tone of aggression. So he gave Williams that third violation for “verbal abuse” and a whole game penalty, and now it was 5-3, and we will never know whether young Osaka really won the 2018 U.S. Open or had it handed to her by a man who was going to make Serena Williams feel his power. It was an offense far worse than any that Williams committed. Chris Evert spoke for the entire crowd and television audience when she said, “I’ve been in tennis a long time, and I’ve never seen anything like it.”

The crowd was in NY City, and was wanting the American to win over the opponent from Japan. Chris Evert is pals with SW. No surprise that the crowd and CE thinks it was a bad call by the official. But the official gave multiple warnings, and SW simply added to her own problems, believing that because she was Serena that the rules are optional, and that she was entitled to a tantrum. I'm not sure whether tennis allows what she did for others, or for men in particular; but they shouldn't.

She was already a set down in the three set match, and was just on serve in the second set, so to suggest she had a match "stolen" from her is inaccurate. She lost. I feel bad for her opponent because her great accomplishment is diminished because of a primadonna.

Several of the men have come out and said they have either said and done worse or heard worse on the court with no penalty. To have it happen in a championship match is unheard of. Had she not been penalized and held serve to make it 4-4 in the 2nd set, it’s maybe a different match? But to go to 3-5 and having to break serve to stay in it is a much more difficult proposition.

The question isn't whether there are a lot of other spoiled idiots in the sports world; men or women. The question is whether SW's behavior was appropriate, or within the rules. Serena wasnt playing John McEnroe, or some other big-mouthed male. She was playing someone who was behaving perfectly appropriate, and who was beating her. Coaching isnt allowed in tennis. She was getting coaching during the match, and was given the warning, before getting any deductions. Then she had her spoiled tantrums, and did so knowing for certain she would get penalized. She decided that losing a game was worth having her tantrum, and made that choice. She is a very smart lady. This wasnt some first year pro who didnt understand the rules, or what she could get away with. She is worthy of no sympathy.
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RE: An unfortunate end to the Women’s final at US Open yesterday
Real good opinion piece in the NY Times by Martina Navratilova, who certainly has a perspective worth listening to.


great article by Martina Navratilova
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(09-09-2018 06:49 AM)brovol Wrote:  She is a "Nike athlete" though, so is a hero regardless. Karma?

Karma... for what? Supporting social justice? The Williams sisters have opened a community center in Compton to help support victims of gun violence. She's a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador and supports countless foundations. GTFO here with that nonsense.
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RE: An unfortunate end to the Women’s final at US Open yesterday
The system is also skewed to let the big names win the major tournaments. They are
seeded higher with a lot fewer matches to play. The lower ranked players are booked into many more tournaments by their agents just to make a buck. It really takes its toll on the lower ranked players over a season. Top players go into the majors pretty well rested, while the other are already beat up. Anytime a lower rank player upsets a big it is even more amazing because of the way pro tennis operates.
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(09-10-2018 07:35 PM)StrikeGold1 Wrote:  
(09-09-2018 06:49 AM)brovol Wrote:  She is a "Nike athlete" though, so is a hero regardless. Karma?

Karma... for what? Supporting social justice? The Williams sisters have opened a community center in Compton to help support victims of gun violence. She's a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador and supports countless foundations. GTFO here with that nonsense.

Oh pulleeese....
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RE: An unfortunate end to the Women’s final at US Open yesterday
Anyone who follows the sport knows Serena has been through an awful lot through her career (good and bad).

However, I do feel she overreacted in the situation. A game penalty is a little harsh, but within the rules. She did it to herself IMO.
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RE: An unfortunate end to the Women’s final at US Open yesterday
IMHO

Serena Williams is a phenomenal athlete and champion.

But she make she makes herself look weak and pitiful by embracing the role of victim.

Some reality for anyone who cares:

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