(09-20-2018 11:59 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 09:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  If not for Bill Snyder, Houston would have been in the Big 12 and KSU would now be in the MWC or AAC.

Not true. The entire Big 8 was going to merge with a certain number of SWC schools.

Maybe UH should've been given the nod over Baylor but that is history.

That was because KSU had a top 10 ranking with Bill Snyder. They would not have been included if they were still in their beginning to 1990 mode. Took Snyder 3 years to turn them around (until 1991). They were the worst program in college football and had abysmal attendance.

(09-20-2018 08:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-20-2018 11:59 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(09-19-2018 09:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  If not for Bill Snyder, Houston would have been in the Big 12 and KSU would now be in the MWC or AAC.

Not true. The entire Big 8 was going to merge with a certain number of SWC schools.

Maybe UH should've been given the nod over Baylor but that is history.

That was because KSU had a top 10 ranking with Bill Snyder. They would not have been included if they were still in their beginning to 1990 mode. Took Snyder 3 years to turn them around (until 1991). They were the worst program in college football and had abysmal attendance.

It's always interesting looking at historical attendance on Wikipedia articles about college football teams - if you look at K-State before Snyder they were drawing under 20K for some games. Wisconsin sometimes drew under 30K before Barry Alvarez, which is unbelievable to think about today.

GTS' post kinda fits my point, which is that a coach who wrecks a good team is a worse coach than one who just does really bad for a program that sucked when they got there.

I think we'll be adding Chris Ash to this list soon.

(09-24-2018 08:43 AM)megadrone Wrote:  I think we'll be adding Chris Ash to this list soon.

When a head coach takes over a bad team and it's still bad when he gets canned, that's not enough to be one of the worst of all time. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of head coaches who have been hired when a team is bad and failed to turn the team into a winner.

To be one of the worst ever, a coach has to inherit a really good situation and turn it into a really bad one, or screw up the program so badly that it takes 10 years to clean up his mess.

(09-24-2018 11:18 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 08:43 AM)megadrone Wrote:  I think we'll be adding Chris Ash to this list soon.

When a head coach takes over a bad team and it's still bad when he gets canned, that's not enough to be one of the worst of all time. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of head coaches who have been hired when a team is bad and failed to turn the team into a winner.

To be one of the worst ever, a coach has to inherit a really good situation and turn it into a really bad one, or screw up the program so badly that it takes 10 years to clean up his mess.

Taking a bad (or not good) and making them worse is an accomplishment.

As much as I liked the man, Ray Goff has to have had one of the worst coaching tenures of all time at the University of Georgia. Spurrier had a good reason for calling Goff “Goof.”
I can’t believe everyone forgot about Brad Scott & Tommy West. The last game these guys coached, the South Carolina Gamecocks were 1-9 and the Clemson Tigers were 2-8.

(09-27-2018 05:31 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  As much as I liked the man, Ray Goff has to have had one of the worst coaching tenures of all time at the University of Georgia. Spurrier had a good reason for calling Goff “Goof.”
I can’t believe everyone forgot about Brad Scott & Tommy West. The last game these guys coached, the South Carolina Gamecocks were 1-9 and the Clemson Tigers were 2-8.

I don't blame Tommy West for the way his tenure at Clemson went. That blame resides fully in Ken Hatfield, Max Lennon and Bobby Robinson for putting Clemson in the position to have to hire him in the first place. The seeds for Tommy West's tenure at Clemson were planted on January 18, 1990 when after Danny Ford's "resignation" they didn't replace him with Brother Bill or Chuck Reedy. Either one of those men would have been able to maintain the success we were having in the late 80's both on the field and in recruiting. Like the old saying goes "Howard built it, Ford filled it, Hatfield killed it"

Greg Robinson wants an FBI Investigation why he isn't on the list

Some of you guys are trying to expand this from a top 10 into a top 100. You're talking about coaches who were bad but not one of the 10 worst. You're not talking about a Charlie Weis who didn't only lose a lot of games, didn't only fall asleep in team meetings, but did all of that and also left Kansas with only 38 scholarship football players.