(09-04-2018 06:20 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 09:44 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Positive... Carey will be fired if they continue to play like this.

Carey will not be fired, we don’t have the money.

Not renew his contract, perhaps. If we can afford the hiring process but we probably don’t have the money to hire the coach all the Sunday morning quarterbacks many on this board would like to have. I don’t see people putting their money where their mouth is.

Why in the hell was his contract extended? Why did they make it harder to fire him? What did he do to deserve a contract extension?

(09-04-2018 06:28 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:20 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 09:44 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Positive... Carey will be fired if they continue to play like this.

Carey will not be fired, we don’t have the money.

Not renew his contract, perhaps. If we can afford the hiring process but we probably don’t have the money to hire the coach all the Sunday morning quarterbacks many on this board would like to have. I don’t see people putting their money where their mouth is.

Why in the hell was his contract extended? Why did they make it harder to fire him? What did he do to deserve a contract extension?

His contract ends June 30, 2019. So this is his last season unless he is extended again. Thankfully STF is a great AD and wouldn't dare extend him again.

https://hkm.com/football/contracts/rod-carey/

(09-04-2018 06:54 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:28 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:20 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 09:44 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Positive... Carey will be fired if they continue to play like this.

Carey will not be fired, we don’t have the money.

Not renew his contract, perhaps. If we can afford the hiring process but we probably don’t have the money to hire the coach all the Sunday morning quarterbacks many on this board would like to have. I don’t see people putting their money where their mouth is.

Why in the hell was his contract extended? Why did they make it harder to fire him? What did he do to deserve a contract extension?

His contract ends June 30, 2019. So this is his last season unless he is extended again. Thankfully STF is a great AD and wouldn't dare extend him again.

https://hkm.com/football/contracts/rod-carey/

I was told and thought I read that his contract was extended another year to June 30, 2020. I remember posting the contract in one of the threads. I sure hope I'm wrong. If it does end next June, what are the chances STF will let him go?

(09-04-2018 07:22 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:54 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:28 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:20 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 09:44 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Positive... Carey will be fired if they continue to play like this.

Carey will not be fired, we don’t have the money.

Not renew his contract, perhaps. If we can afford the hiring process but we probably don’t have the money to hire the coach all the Sunday morning quarterbacks many on this board would like to have. I don’t see people putting their money where their mouth is.

Why in the hell was his contract extended? Why did they make it harder to fire him? What did he do to deserve a contract extension?

His contract ends June 30, 2019. So this is his last season unless he is extended again. Thankfully STF is a great AD and wouldn't dare extend him again.

https://hkm.com/football/contracts/rod-carey/

I was told and thought I read that his contract was extended another year to June 30, 2020. I remember posting the contract in one of the threads. I sure hope I'm wrong. If it does end next June, what are the chances STF will let him go?

I have only seen reporting of one one-year contract extension that occurred after the 2013 season. If there was a 2nd extension then I would assume it would have been reported publicly.

If we go 0-4 in non-conference then my guess is we have a 6-6 type season at best. There's no way we get through the MAC undefeated. Then we'll go to a bowl game and get blown out, in typical Carey fashion and be 6-7. I doubt he gets a new contract if that happens unless STF finds mediocrity acceptable.

Doesn't matter how long his current contract is, as long as Frazier is here, so will Carey

(09-04-2018 08:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Doesn't matter how long his current contract is, as long as Frazier is here, so will Carey

As long as financial woes continue, we may be stuck with both of them.

(09-04-2018 08:49 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 08:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Doesn't matter how long his current contract is, as long as Frazier is here, so will Carey

As long as financial woes continue, we may be stuck with both of them.

When Carey's contract ends, there is no buyout so financial woes are moot.

(09-04-2018 01:02 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 12:37 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 11:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Our amazing reformed marching band (which we’ll soon get to see) and Lisa Freeman is giving me Cary Groth vibes in that she seems to genuinely care about NIU.

I think I read somewhere that she will only be interim basis only, doesn't want it full time? I could be wrong. I do agree though, she has done a great job since taking over and seems like someone that wants NIU to succeed in every aspect and isn't looking to just move up.

I read that after being interim she was asked to apply for the job and she did so.

I have limited awareness of her job performance but I have liked what I have seen so I am sort of hoping that she gets the job. She does seem to love NIU.

That is correct. The BOT has gone on the record that Freeman is their choice. Vetting process is almost done.

(09-04-2018 09:02 PM)Skinut Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 01:02 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 12:37 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 11:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Our amazing reformed marching band (which we’ll soon get to see) and Lisa Freeman is giving me Cary Groth vibes in that she seems to genuinely care about NIU.

I think I read somewhere that she will only be interim basis only, doesn't want it full time? I could be wrong. I do agree though, she has done a great job since taking over and seems like someone that wants NIU to succeed in every aspect and isn't looking to just move up.

I read that after being interim she was asked to apply for the job and she did so.

I have limited awareness of her job performance but I have liked what I have seen so I am sort of hoping that she gets the job. She does seem to love NIU.

That is correct. The BOT has gone on the record that Freeman is their choice. Vetting process is almost done.

Same as what I heard. This is really great news.

(09-04-2018 06:28 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:20 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 09:44 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Positive... Carey will be fired if they continue to play like this.

Carey will not be fired, we don’t have the money.

Not renew his contract, perhaps. If we can afford the hiring process but we probably don’t have the money to hire the coach all the Sunday morning quarterbacks many on this board would like to have. I don’t see people putting their money where their mouth is.

Why in the hell was his contract extended? Why did they make it harder to fire him? What did he do to deserve a contract extension?

He has taken the team to four bowl games (I forget what happened in those games ), one MAC Championship, and has had multiple wins vs Big Ten teams. For a MAC coach, he has done an above average job for above average pay.

When NIU can pack their stadium with 60,000 fans paying top dollar (like Iowa), then we can complain about why we can not pay a coach 4 million dollars a year to take his team to a BCS bowl game and win it.

For now, we have a coach that consistently finishes among the top five teams in the MAC, and that is what we pay for.

(09-05-2018 12:11 AM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:28 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:20 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 09:44 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  Positive... Carey will be fired if they continue to play like this.

Carey will not be fired, we don’t have the money.

Not renew his contract, perhaps. If we can afford the hiring process but we probably don’t have the money to hire the coach all the Sunday morning quarterbacks many on this board would like to have. I don’t see people putting their money where their mouth is.

Why in the hell was his contract extended? Why did they make it harder to fire him? What did he do to deserve a contract extension?

He has taken the team to four bowl games (I forget what happened in those games ), one MAC Championship, and has had multiple wins vs Big Ten teams. For a MAC coach, he has done an above average job for above average pay.

When NIU can pack their stadium with 60,000 fans paying top dollar (like Iowa), then we can complain about why we can not pay a coach 4 million dollars a year to take his team to a BCS bowl game and win it.

For now, we have a coach that consistently finishes among the top five teams in the MAC, and that is what we pay for.

Mr Frazier?

(09-04-2018 08:55 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 08:49 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 08:08 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Doesn't matter how long his current contract is, as long as Frazier is here, so will Carey

As long as financial woes continue, we may be stuck with both of them.

When Carey's contract ends, there is no buyout so financial woes are moot.

There is the cost of a search for a new coach, $100k???? And then the cost of paying the new coach. I don’t see us spending more than we are paying Carey due to financial woes, and I am not sure where that lands us. We could land a coach who never beats P5 teams, doesn’t compete for a MAC title, or take us to bowl games also. There is room to get better, and worse.

The trend lately is to give extensions for consistently competing at the top of the MAC. Extending Carey would be the “lazy” thing to do given the financial woes. It has happened before and I wouldn’t be surprised to see that happen again, especially if we go 7-5 and get to another bowl game with a sophomore QB and a tough OOC schedule.

(09-05-2018 05:58 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  There is the cost of a search for a new coach, $100k???? And then the cost of paying the new coach. I don’t see us spending more than we are paying Carey due to financial woes, and I am not sure where that lands us. We could land a coach who never beats P5 teams, doesn’t compete for a MAC title, or take us to bowl games also.

Even if it costs 100k, it's worth it to find an up and coming coach who knows how to develop a good program and offense. Any good coach who wants to run his own program would want this job knowing the success NIU has had and is still capable of having. We aren't in complete ruins yet but with Carey the arrow is not pointing up. We just need someone to fix our offense, identify and develop successful QBs, and fix our FG kicking issues. Carey has had last 3 years to do that since Lynch and Hare left and he hasn't figured those out because he keeps sticking with terrible QBs who don't get better (see Graham and Childers).

While I dislike Rod Carey as a head coach, he seems to be a genuinely good person and I think that he could be an outstanding O Line coach for a top tier program. That is his sweet spot, any more responsibility than that and he is in over his head.

When the time comes he should embrace that because he could be successful in a top program where they might pay their O Line coach more than NIU can afford to pay him as a head coach.

(09-05-2018 07:44 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 05:58 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  There is the cost of a search for a new coach, $100k???? And then the cost of paying the new coach. I don’t see us spending more than we are paying Carey due to financial woes, and I am not sure where that lands us. We could land a coach who never beats P5 teams, doesn’t compete for a MAC title, or take us to bowl games also.

Even if it costs 100k, it's worth it to find an up and coming coach who knows how to develop a good program and offense. Any good coach who wants to run his own program would want this job knowing the success NIU has had and is still capable of having. We aren't in complete ruins yet but with Carey the arrow is not pointing up. We just need someone to fix our offense, identify and develop successful QBs, and fix our FG kicking issues. Carey has had last 3 years to do that since Lynch and Hare left and he hasn't figured those out because he keeps sticking with terrible QBs who don't get better (see Graham and Childers).

+1.

Even if it is $100K, that's a bargain to seek someone who can coach this football team. And we have the money. And, unless Frazier plans to extend Carey's contract (which would not surprise me), that money will have to be paid in a few short months anyway.

(09-05-2018 11:09 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 07:44 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 05:58 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  There is the cost of a search for a new coach, $100k???? And then the cost of paying the new coach. I don’t see us spending more than we are paying Carey due to financial woes, and I am not sure where that lands us. We could land a coach who never beats P5 teams, doesn’t compete for a MAC title, or take us to bowl games also.

Even if it costs 100k, it's worth it to find an up and coming coach who knows how to develop a good program and offense. Any good coach who wants to run his own program would want this job knowing the success NIU has had and is still capable of having. We aren't in complete ruins yet but with Carey the arrow is not pointing up. We just need someone to fix our offense, identify and develop successful QBs, and fix our FG kicking issues. Carey has had last 3 years to do that since Lynch and Hare left and he hasn't figured those out because he keeps sticking with terrible QBs who don't get better (see Graham and Childers).

+1.

Even if it is $100K, that's a bargain to seek someone who can coach this football team. And we have the money. And, unless Frazier plans to extend Carey's contract (which would not surprise me), that money will have to be paid in a few short months anyway.

+2
100K is nothing compared all the money the football program brings to the school.
The FSU game alone is bringing in $1.7 million.

2011 with 1st year Coach Dave Doeren and Senior QB Chandler Harnish

September 3 NIU over Army 49–26, Army would finish 3-9
September 10 NIU loses to a very bad Kansas L 42–45, Kansas would finish 2-10
September 17 NIU loses to #8 Wisconsin L 7–49 , WI would finish 11-3
September 24 NIU gets by FCS CalPoly W 47–30
October 1 NIU loses at CMU 41–48, CMU would finish 3-9

(09-05-2018 11:13 AM)JKHuskie45 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:09 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 07:44 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 05:58 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  There is the cost of a search for a new coach, $100k???? And then the cost of paying the new coach. I don’t see us spending more than we are paying Carey due to financial woes, and I am not sure where that lands us. We could land a coach who never beats P5 teams, doesn’t compete for a MAC title, or take us to bowl games also.

Even if it costs 100k, it's worth it to find an up and coming coach who knows how to develop a good program and offense. Any good coach who wants to run his own program would want this job knowing the success NIU has had and is still capable of having. We aren't in complete ruins yet but with Carey the arrow is not pointing up. We just need someone to fix our offense, identify and develop successful QBs, and fix our FG kicking issues. Carey has had last 3 years to do that since Lynch and Hare left and he hasn't figured those out because he keeps sticking with terrible QBs who don't get better (see Graham and Childers).

+1.

Even if it is $100K, that's a bargain to seek someone who can coach this football team. And we have the money. And, unless Frazier plans to extend Carey's contract (which would not surprise me), that money will have to be paid in a few short months anyway.

+2
100K is nothing compared all the money the football program brings to the school.
The FSU game alone is bringing in $1.7 million.

Well, when the entire university is working on a deficit - $100K is a lot of money (not sure that's an accurate figure). And let's be honest, the football program does not bring in revenue. A matter of fact, it probably doesn't break even anymore.

If Carey's contract isn't extended in 2019, there will likely be a promotion or an informal search to find the next guy (Kevin Kane 2019?).

Stop undermining the financial issues that the university is experiencing. Everything NIU is doing to increase revenue (i.e. FSU game) is to cover funds that are no longer present.

(09-05-2018 04:57 PM)notcredible Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:13 AM)JKHuskie45 Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 11:09 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 07:44 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 05:58 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  There is the cost of a search for a new coach, $100k???? And then the cost of paying the new coach. I don’t see us spending more than we are paying Carey due to financial woes, and I am not sure where that lands us. We could land a coach who never beats P5 teams, doesn’t compete for a MAC title, or take us to bowl games also.

Even if it costs 100k, it's worth it to find an up and coming coach who knows how to develop a good program and offense. Any good coach who wants to run his own program would want this job knowing the success NIU has had and is still capable of having. We aren't in complete ruins yet but with Carey the arrow is not pointing up. We just need someone to fix our offense, identify and develop successful QBs, and fix our FG kicking issues. Carey has had last 3 years to do that since Lynch and Hare left and he hasn't figured those out because he keeps sticking with terrible QBs who don't get better (see Graham and Childers).

+1.

Even if it is $100K, that's a bargain to seek someone who can coach this football team. And we have the money. And, unless Frazier plans to extend Carey's contract (which would not surprise me), that money will have to be paid in a few short months anyway.

+2
100K is nothing compared all the money the football program brings to the school.
The FSU game alone is bringing in $1.7 million.

Well, when the entire university is working on a deficit - $100K is a lot of money (not sure that's an accurate figure). And let's be honest, the football program does not bring in revenue. A matter of fact, it probably doesn't break even anymore.

If Carey's contract isn't extended in 2019, there will likely be a promotion or an informal search to find the next guy (Kevin Kane 2019?).

Stop undermining the financial issues that the university is experiencing. Everything NIU is doing to increase revenue (i.e. FSU game) is to cover funds that are no longer present.

Since we are in such deplorable shape (which in reality is a lot better since the budget was passed), perhaps you'd be in favor of scrapping NIU sports, since they are such financial sewers.

The FSU game is bringing in $1.6 M. $500k was given to us when we signed the contract to plug a hole through in the athletic department budget to avoid layoffs, per Sean Frazier in the contract announcement. So it’s only $1.1M more at most once the game is played.

There is no doubt that the money we get from FSU and Iowa is already planned for use in its entirety to pay the bills until the next paydays at Nebraska and Utah next year. We don’t have extra money sitting around to pay for new coach searches, double pay a new coach from December - June while Carey’s contract runs out, or pay beyond what we are paying Carey for the top notch coach many seem to think they want