(09-03-2018 01:27 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 12:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 11:10 AM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 09:56 AM)banker Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 10:02 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  Totally agree....sucks to beat a team from a conference that is rated higher than cusa...worthless...

That's just a strange way to look at it. Even if the AAC is rated higher, UNT is supposed to be a favorite in CUSA west and SMU is expected to be an extreme bottom feeder.

It would be the same as Appy State calling the beating of UTEP at home a solid win.

NT was a 4 point favorite and had lost three straight games to the ponies. At the end of the third quarter SMU had one first down and 33 total yards before NT's subs took over.

SMU maybe the best team that a CUSA team beat in week 1. CUSA teams' victories over other FBS members were La Tech over S. Alabama by 4 points and Marshall over Miami Ohio by 7. Marshall was favored by 15 and La Tech by 10.5.

So it is not like App. St. beating UTEP at home.

Points for you!

I think some on this board forget SMU is a middle of the pack AAC bowl program. SMU has not been a bottom feeder in the AAC. We just made them look like they are.

La Tech is not impressed by a W over the Ponies - we have been doing it for years

SMU is horrible, slow, weak, and their QB is puny like Fine but Fine can actually throw

After the Bowl last year, 42-3 first half, I ask how in the world did North Texas lose to SMU?

North Texas did what was expected and beat a terrible SMU team. Sonny Dykes can recruit talent, so SMU will be better.

IMO Marshall away win over Miami was a solid win, more so than UNT win over SMU

To Marshall fans who seem to think that their victory over Miami Ohio is comparable to NT over SMU.

It isn't and I know that one game doesn't mean much particularly the first game of the year.

Using Massey composite ratings because of the number of rankings:

SMU was rated 83, NT 84
Marshall was rated 70, Miami Ohio 95

Also SMU was 7-6 last year compared to Miami O 5-7

Add Marshall had total yards gained of 443 and Miami O 446, not exactly dominating

I must have goofed on the odds I quoted above, a decimal was lost somewhere. It still doesn't change the point.

(09-03-2018 02:49 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  To Marshall fans who seem to think that their victory over Miami Ohio is comparable to NT over SMU.

It isn't and I know that one game doesn't mean much particularly the first game of the year.

Using Massey composite ratings because of the number of rankings:

SMU was rated 83, NT 84
Marshall was rated 70, Miami Ohio 95

Also SMU was 7-6 last year compared to Miami O 5-7

Add Marshall had total yards gained of 443 and Miami O 446, not exactly dominating

I must have goofed on the odds I quoted above, a decimal was lost somewhere. It still doesn't change the point.

What the hell does last year's records have to do with this year??? NOTHING!

And SMU probably will be worse this year. They've not had a winning regular season since joining the AAC.

Right, it doesn't change the point that UNT beat up on a perennial cellar-dweller of the AAC. Congratulations. If puffing your chest out about beating SMU, well, whatever blows your skirt up.

And as evidenced by the Rice vs Houston, the majority of the P6 AAC is no better than any other G5 conference.

Yes they usually 1 good team every year, but the rest of the conference is very soft. Just look at the ass whooping the other G5 conference put on the AAC during bowl season. The AAC was 2-12 vs other G5 conferences in bowl games, Brett McMurphy tweet

(09-03-2018 02:58 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  And as evidenced by the Rice vs Houston, the majority of the P6 AAC is no better than any other G5 conference.

Yes they usually 1 good team every year, but the rest of the conference is very soft. Just look at the ass whooping the other G5 conference put on the AAC during bowl season. The AAC was 2-12 vs other G5 conferences in bowl games, Brett McMurphy tweet

That's just it. Someone said that SMU has not been a bottom-feeder in the AAC, but since their move in 2013, they are a whopping 20-41 with last year being their best at 7-6 (and getting buttforked by LaTech in the bowl). Please.

(09-03-2018 03:05 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:58 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  And as evidenced by the Rice vs Houston, the majority of the P6 AAC is no better than any other G5 conference.

Yes they usually 1 good team every year, but the rest of the conference is very soft. Just look at the ass whooping the other G5 conference put on the AAC during bowl season. The AAC was 2-12 vs other G5 conferences in bowl games, Brett McMurphy tweet

That's just it. Someone said that SMU has not been a bottom-feeder in the AAC, but since their move in 2013, they are a whopping 20-41 with last year being their best at 7-6 (and getting buttforked by LaTech in the bowl). Please.

SMU has been a bottom feeder since the early 80's Pony Express days. They just got loads of Moolah, but I have not figured out why TCU was annointed and not SMU (they both have small enrollments).

(09-03-2018 03:12 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  SMU has been a bottom feeder since the early 80's Poney Express days. They just got loads of Moolah, but I have not figured out why TCU was annointed and not SMU (they both have small enrollments).

Yep, since the days of Dickerson and his gold Trans A&M (sic).

(09-03-2018 03:14 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 03:12 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  SMU has been a bottom feeder since the early 80's Poney Express days. They just got loads of Moolah, but I have not figured out why TCU was annointed and not SMU (they both have small enrollments).

Yep, since the days of Dickerson and his gold Trans A&M (sic).

Dickerson and James....Ebony and Ivory....quite the duo

(09-03-2018 02:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:49 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  To Marshall fans who seem to think that their victory over Miami Ohio is comparable to NT over SMU.

It isn't and I know that one game doesn't mean much particularly the first game of the year.

Using Massey composite ratings because of the number of rankings:

SMU was rated 83, NT 84
Marshall was rated 70, Miami Ohio 95

Also SMU was 7-6 last year compared to Miami O 5-7

Add Marshall had total yards gained of 443 and Miami O 446, not exactly dominating

I must have goofed on the odds I quoted above, a decimal was lost somewhere. It still doesn't change the point.

What the hell does last year's records have to do with this year??? NOTHING!

And SMU probably will be worse this year. They've not had a winning regular season since joining the AAC.

Right, it doesn't change the point that UNT beat up on a perennial cellar-dweller of the AAC. Congratulations. If puffing your chest out about beating SMU, well, whatever blows your skirt up.

Recognize this: Just amazing. Either the "Green" in Mean Green stands for some serious doobage, or you just don't do research.

So, SMU has not been a bottom-feeder in the AAC? really? Well, let's just look at that, shall we?

Since SMU joined the AAC in 2013:

2013 5-7
2014 1-11
2015 2-10
2016 5-7
2017 7-6 and getting blasted by LA Tech in their bowl

So, if 20-41 is middle of the road for you, then, just wow. SMU will be lucky to get to a bowl."

You might want to remember your own posts. This quote seems to indicate that you think prior records are pertinent.

1) UNT
2) FAU
3) Marshall
4) La Tech

5) UAB
6) MT
7) Southern Miss

8) ODU
9) FIU
10) UTSA
11) Rice

12) WKU
13) Charlotte
14) UTEP

I’ll go with NT as number one after the games during the weekend. Games are won on the field, not in people’s minds...

NT deserves the top spot. But, some of these other arguments about SMU have some validity IMO.

I have never seen a game where 1 team had more first downs than the other had total yards after 3 quarters. It was total domination when it mattered and completely shocking.

SMU has the talent. They have recruited well for a G5 and have the top 2019 recruiting class. With that said, they were terrible saturday. Our defense played well. But, SMU did miss opportunities with drops and bad throws to wide open receivers a few times. A lot of that was due to NT pressure on Hicks. Plus, most of the time the receivers were covered pretty tight.

I thought SMU would be decent this year. I don't think that anymore. In fact, this past weekends game could really hurt any morale they had going into the game. I expect SMU to win 2 games this year at most after that performance.

Not trying to take anything away from my school. As I said, NT was completely dominant and deserves the top spot for this week. However, we had better get our running game on track eventually. You can't expect Mason Fine to keep making 3rd and long first downs like he did on saturday night.

(09-03-2018 03:58 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:49 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  To Marshall fans who seem to think that their victory over Miami Ohio is comparable to NT over SMU.

It isn't and I know that one game doesn't mean much particularly the first game of the year.

Using Massey composite ratings because of the number of rankings:

SMU was rated 83, NT 84
Marshall was rated 70, Miami Ohio 95

Also SMU was 7-6 last year compared to Miami O 5-7

Add Marshall had total yards gained of 443 and Miami O 446, not exactly dominating

I must have goofed on the odds I quoted above, a decimal was lost somewhere. It still doesn't change the point.

What the hell does last year's records have to do with this year??? NOTHING!

And SMU probably will be worse this year. They've not had a winning regular season since joining the AAC.

Right, it doesn't change the point that UNT beat up on a perennial cellar-dweller of the AAC. Congratulations. If puffing your chest out about beating SMU, well, whatever blows your skirt up.

Recognize this: Just amazing. Either the "Green" in Mean Green stands for some serious doobage, or you just don't do research.

So, SMU has not been a bottom-feeder in the AAC? really? Well, let's just look at that, shall we?

Since SMU joined the AAC in 2013:

2013 5-7
2014 1-11
2015 2-10
2016 5-7
2017 7-6 and getting blasted by LA Tech in their bowl

So, if 20-41 is middle of the road for you, then, just wow. SMU will be lucky to get to a bowl."

You might want to remember your own posts. This quote seems to indicate that you think prior records are pertinent.

You might want to remember why people are bringing up the past: Because you and Side Show constantly try to convince us of how good SMU has been. Oh, and another thing... I’ll bet you’re not gonna use that Massey rating to try to prove anything in about four or five weeks.

On UAB's performance:
In 2017, UAB opened with a 38-7 win over Alabama A&M. The 1st half was incredibly close and the Blazers looked shaky before using its depth to wear out a weak FCS opponent.
In 2018, UAB opened with a dominant performance from beginning to end. Four different RBs scored TDs, with our starting RB going for 100+ yards in the 1st half. The defense held both of SSU's QBs to 1-17 passing.

What will be interesting to watch is if the improvement from '17 to '18 continues this week vs a Coastal Carolina squad UAB struggled against in Week 3 last season.

(09-03-2018 04:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 03:58 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:49 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  To Marshall fans who seem to think that their victory over Miami Ohio is comparable to NT over SMU.

It isn't and I know that one game doesn't mean much particularly the first game of the year.

Using Massey composite ratings because of the number of rankings:

SMU was rated 83, NT 84
Marshall was rated 70, Miami Ohio 95

Also SMU was 7-6 last year compared to Miami O 5-7

Add Marshall had total yards gained of 443 and Miami O 446, not exactly dominating

I must have goofed on the odds I quoted above, a decimal was lost somewhere. It still doesn't change the point.

What the hell does last year's records have to do with this year??? NOTHING!

And SMU probably will be worse this year. They've not had a winning regular season since joining the AAC.

Right, it doesn't change the point that UNT beat up on a perennial cellar-dweller of the AAC. Congratulations. If puffing your chest out about beating SMU, well, whatever blows your skirt up.

Recognize this: Just amazing. Either the "Green" in Mean Green stands for some serious doobage, or you just don't do research.

So, SMU has not been a bottom-feeder in the AAC? really? Well, let's just look at that, shall we?

Since SMU joined the AAC in 2013:

2013 5-7
2014 1-11
2015 2-10
2016 5-7
2017 7-6 and getting blasted by LA Tech in their bowl

So, if 20-41 is middle of the road for you, then, just wow. SMU will be lucky to get to a bowl."

You might want to remember your own posts. This quote seems to indicate that you think prior records are pertinent.

You might want to remember why people are bringing up the past: Because you and Side Show constantly try to convince us of how good SMU has been. Oh, and another thing... I’ll bet you’re not gonna use that Massey rating to try to prove anything in about four or five weeks.

I have never tried to convince anyone that SMU was good. All I said was that NT had the best CUSA win of the week.

Something you have unsuccessfully tried to refute.

I have continually stated that it is only one game and you can't base much on the first game of the year.

I am not sure what you are implying with the Massey ratings. It seems that stats, predictions, even scores don't mean anything to you if they don't match your idea of the way things are.

Your statement relative to Massey is confusing at best, but I am not going to ask why you think I won't use those rankings. That would just lead to more posts on your part and continuation of your circular arguments.

NT did what they were supposed to do, beat the heck out of a more than likely bottom feeder SMU. Don't take it the wrong way because I'm not meaning it that way. Marshall did what they were supposed to do at an opening away game. That Miami team will probably go 6-6 in my opinion but they do have the talent to win possibly 8. I'm not judging any of our conference teams until we at least get into the 4th game of the season where all teams are usually building momentum and have all the kinks worked out. I am however intrigued with the Arkansas matchup with UNT. Honestly you guys have the fire power to win IMO. What's Arkansas look like this year?

(09-03-2018 04:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 03:58 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:49 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  To Marshall fans who seem to think that their victory over Miami Ohio is comparable to NT over SMU.

It isn't and I know that one game doesn't mean much particularly the first game of the year.

Using Massey composite ratings because of the number of rankings:

SMU was rated 83, NT 84
Marshall was rated 70, Miami Ohio 95

Also SMU was 7-6 last year compared to Miami O 5-7

Add Marshall had total yards gained of 443 and Miami O 446, not exactly dominating

I must have goofed on the odds I quoted above, a decimal was lost somewhere. It still doesn't change the point.

What the hell does last year's records have to do with this year??? NOTHING!

And SMU probably will be worse this year. They've not had a winning regular season since joining the AAC.

Right, it doesn't change the point that UNT beat up on a perennial cellar-dweller of the AAC. Congratulations. If puffing your chest out about beating SMU, well, whatever blows your skirt up.

Recognize this: Just amazing. Either the "Green" in Mean Green stands for some serious doobage, or you just don't do research.

So, SMU has not been a bottom-feeder in the AAC? really? Well, let's just look at that, shall we?

Since SMU joined the AAC in 2013:

2013 5-7
2014 1-11
2015 2-10
2016 5-7
2017 7-6 and getting blasted by LA Tech in their bowl

So, if 20-41 is middle of the road for you, then, just wow. SMU will be lucky to get to a bowl."

You might want to remember your own posts. This quote seems to indicate that you think prior records are pertinent.

You might want to remember why people are bringing up the past: Because you and Side Show constantly try to convince us of how good SMU has been. Oh, and another thing... I’ll bet you’re not gonna use that Massey rating to try to prove anything in about four or five weeks.

Because they have not been the worst in the AAC...

2013 5-7 SMU finished 5th out of 10 AAC teams
2014 1-11 The only season SMU finished dead last
2015 2-10 Finished 11th out of 12 AAC teams
2016 5-7 Finshed 8th out of 12 AAC teams
2017 7-6 Finished tied for 5th out of 12 AAC teams

While not championship caliber seasons, SMU has only finished last once since 2013, and they have been trending up since then. In fact, UCONN has been the worst team in the AAC since 2013. Posting a record of 17-44 in that time span.

In Week 1, ECU and Temple both lost to FCS teams... So SMU doesn't seem to be the bottom feeder this season either. But, you can think whatever you want.

(09-03-2018 05:46 PM)ThUnDeRiNtHeHoLe Wrote:  NT did what they were supposed to do, beat the heck out of a more than likely bottom feeder SMU. Don't take it the wrong way because I'm not meaning it that way. Marshall did what they were supposed to do at an opening away game. That Miami team will probably go 6-6 in my opinion but they do have the talent to win possibly 8. I'm not judging any of our conference teams until we at least get into the 4th game of the season where all teams are usually building momentum and have all the kinks worked out. I am however intrigued with the Arkansas matchup with UNT. Honestly you guys have the fire power to win IMO. What's Arkansas look like this year?

Arkansas put a 55-20 beating on an FCS team. The 20 points were garbage points, after the game was well in hand. UNT could give them a tough game, but I doubt we can pull off an upset. We would have to beat the Pigs and the refs.

(09-03-2018 05:34 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 04:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 03:58 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:49 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  To Marshall fans who seem to think that their victory over Miami Ohio is comparable to NT over SMU.

It isn't and I know that one game doesn't mean much particularly the first game of the year.

Using Massey composite ratings because of the number of rankings:

SMU was rated 83, NT 84
Marshall was rated 70, Miami Ohio 95

Also SMU was 7-6 last year compared to Miami O 5-7

Add Marshall had total yards gained of 443 and Miami O 446, not exactly dominating

I must have goofed on the odds I quoted above, a decimal was lost somewhere. It still doesn't change the point.

What the hell does last year's records have to do with this year??? NOTHING!

And SMU probably will be worse this year. They've not had a winning regular season since joining the AAC.

Right, it doesn't change the point that UNT beat up on a perennial cellar-dweller of the AAC. Congratulations. If puffing your chest out about beating SMU, well, whatever blows your skirt up.

Recognize this: Just amazing. Either the "Green" in Mean Green stands for some serious doobage, or you just don't do research.

So, SMU has not been a bottom-feeder in the AAC? really? Well, let's just look at that, shall we?

Since SMU joined the AAC in 2013:

2013 5-7
2014 1-11
2015 2-10
2016 5-7
2017 7-6 and getting blasted by LA Tech in their bowl

So, if 20-41 is middle of the road for you, then, just wow. SMU will be lucky to get to a bowl."

You might want to remember your own posts. This quote seems to indicate that you think prior records are pertinent.

You might want to remember why people are bringing up the past: Because you and Side Show constantly try to convince us of how good SMU has been. Oh, and another thing... I’ll bet you’re not gonna use that Massey rating to try to prove anything in about four or five weeks.

I have never tried to convince anyone that SMU was good. All I said was that NT had the best CUSA win of the week.

Something you have unsuccessfully tried to refute.

I have continually stated that it is only one game and you can't base much on the first game of the year.

I am not sure what you are implying with the Massey ratings. It seems that stats, predictions, even scores don't mean anything to you if they don't match your idea of the way things are.

Your statement relative to Massey is confusing at best, but I am not going to ask why you think I won't use those rankings. That would just lead to more posts on your part and continuation of your circular arguments.

It's very easy to refute. You use an opinion to support a "fact" LMFAO!!!

Or it will lead to more conjecture on yours. Go puff your chest elsewhere. And YOU are the one who said SMU has not been a bottom-feeder in the AAC. So, which is it?

(09-03-2018 05:57 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 04:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 03:58 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 02:49 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  To Marshall fans who seem to think that their victory over Miami Ohio is comparable to NT over SMU.

It isn't and I know that one game doesn't mean much particularly the first game of the year.

Using Massey composite ratings because of the number of rankings:

SMU was rated 83, NT 84
Marshall was rated 70, Miami Ohio 95

Also SMU was 7-6 last year compared to Miami O 5-7

Add Marshall had total yards gained of 443 and Miami O 446, not exactly dominating

I must have goofed on the odds I quoted above, a decimal was lost somewhere. It still doesn't change the point.

What the hell does last year's records have to do with this year??? NOTHING!

And SMU probably will be worse this year. They've not had a winning regular season since joining the AAC.

Right, it doesn't change the point that UNT beat up on a perennial cellar-dweller of the AAC. Congratulations. If puffing your chest out about beating SMU, well, whatever blows your skirt up.

Recognize this: Just amazing. Either the "Green" in Mean Green stands for some serious doobage, or you just don't do research.

So, SMU has not been a bottom-feeder in the AAC? really? Well, let's just look at that, shall we?

Since SMU joined the AAC in 2013:

2013 5-7
2014 1-11
2015 2-10
2016 5-7
2017 7-6 and getting blasted by LA Tech in their bowl

So, if 20-41 is middle of the road for you, then, just wow. SMU will be lucky to get to a bowl."

You might want to remember your own posts. This quote seems to indicate that you think prior records are pertinent.

You might want to remember why people are bringing up the past: Because you and Side Show constantly try to convince us of how good SMU has been. Oh, and another thing... I’ll bet you’re not gonna use that Massey rating to try to prove anything in about four or five weeks.

Because they have not been the worst in the AAC...

2013 5-7 SMU finished 5th out of 10 AAC teams
2014 1-11 The only season SMU finished dead last
2015 2-10 Finished 11th out of 12 AAC teams
2016 5-7 Finshed 8th out of 12 AAC teams
2017 7-6 Finished tied for 5th out of 12 AAC teams

While not championship caliber seasons, SMU has only finished last once since 2013, and they have been trending up since then. In fact, UCONN has been the worst team in the AAC since 2013. Posting a record of 17-44 in that time span.

In Week 1, ECU and Temple both lost to FCS teams... So SMU doesn't seem to be the bottom feeder this season either. But, you can think whatever you want.

Ok, so your definition of middle of the road is not finishing last? Got it!