(09-02-2018 09:09 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 01:17 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 10:02 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 09:54 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 09:52 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Nicholls State 26 - Kansas 23. Final OT.
Kansas drops to 3-34 under Beaty. 2-1 vs FCS teams. What on earth was Kansas thinking when they hired Beaty?

Who wants that job? It can be a career killer. They may just have to stay with Beatty...they tried throwing out big bucks and that didn’t work.

I'm sure there are plenty. Their issue is they went for a big name with Weis trying for a silver bullet and then hired a disaster named Beaty. Beaty was a surefire failure.. that was apparent when he was here.
They'd be better off going the OSU Gundy route and trying to find a D3 or D2 guy who fits the fundamentals. That takes vision though and any department that hired Beaty clearly lacks that.

Lundy wasn't a D2/D3 guy. He went from player at Okie St to assistant coach at Okie St to Baylor to Maryland to OC at Okie St to HC at Okie St. He was never at a D2 or D3 stop.
You may be thinking of another Mike, Leach, who went with Hal Mumme from Iowa Wesleyan to Valdosta State to Kentucky, and was then hired as OC at Oklahoma before HC at TT.

Sorry, I meant the OSU Gundy hiring of an OC route. My bad, that was unclear.
Lundy opened up his computer and looked up well-balanced offenses across the nation. He narrowed his search to no-huddle offenses, and finally started looking at smaller schools.
His search led him to Division II Shippensburg University in Pennnsylvania, which was first in the nation in offense and second in scoring. This is where he found Yurcich, though it was tougher to talk to the man than he thought it would be.
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-foot...skjugacfnv

Got it, with your clarification. That is kind of what happened with Mumme and Leach. They went from NAIA to D2 to SEC.

I think Kansas would be a great place to try the, "play sound defense, win the kicking game, and do something totally contrarian on offense," formula. Right now they are terrible defensively and you can't beat anybody if you can't prevent them from scoring at will. Put what athletes you have on defense, recruit some kickers and really emphasize special teams in practice, and take what's left and tell somebody like ruowls to teach them how to move the football and score. I don't think you can build an Alabama defense with the athletes you are going to get, but you can't beat anybody with a Rice 2009-2011 defense. And surely there are some Aussie rules kickers who would love to spend time in Kansas. Compared to the Outback, it's not that bad. And you might as well do something totally crazy on offense. Conventional sure as hell is not working. Maybe you can find lightning in a bottle like Leach and Mumme.

(09-02-2018 09:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 09:09 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 01:17 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 10:02 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 09:54 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Who wants that job? It can be a career killer. They may just have to stay with Beatty...they tried throwing out big bucks and that didn’t work.

I'm sure there are plenty. Their issue is they went for a big name with Weis trying for a silver bullet and then hired a disaster named Beaty. Beaty was a surefire failure.. that was apparent when he was here.
They'd be better off going the OSU Gundy route and trying to find a D3 or D2 guy who fits the fundamentals. That takes vision though and any department that hired Beaty clearly lacks that.

Lundy wasn't a D2/D3 guy. He went from player at Okie St to assistant coach at Okie St to Baylor to Maryland to OC at Okie St to HC at Okie St. He was never at a D2 or D3 stop.
You may be thinking of another Mike, Leach, who went with Hal Mumme from Iowa Wesleyan to Valdosta State to Kentucky, and was then hired as OC at Oklahoma before HC at TT.

Sorry, I meant the OSU Gundy hiring of an OC route. My bad, that was unclear.
Lundy opened up his computer and looked up well-balanced offenses across the nation. He narrowed his search to no-huddle offenses, and finally started looking at smaller schools.
His search led him to Division II Shippensburg University in Pennnsylvania, which was first in the nation in offense and second in scoring. This is where he found Yurcich, though it was tougher to talk to the man than he thought it would be.
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-foot...skjugacfnv

Got it, with your clarification. That is kind of what happened with Mumme and Leach. They went from NAIA to D2 to SEC.

I think Kansas would be a great place to try the, "play sound defense, win the kicking game, and do something totally contrarian on offense," formula. Right now they are terrible defensively and you can't beat anybody if you can't prevent them from scoring at will. Put what athletes you have on defense, recruit some kickers and really emphasize special teams in practice, and take what's left and tell somebody like ruowls to teach them how to move the football and score. I don't think you can build an Alabama defense with the athletes you are going to get, but you can't beat anybody with a Rice 2009-2011 defense. And surely there are some Aussie rules kickers who would love to spend time in Kansas. Compared to the Outback, it's not that bad. And you might as well do something totally crazy on offense. Conventional sure as hell is not working. Maybe you can find lightning in a bottle like Leach and Mumme.

Agreed. At this point, why not? Roll the dice and see what happens. Quick fixes rarely work and KU has spent a fortune trying for it. It's more like the 2017 Rice version of "lightning in a bottle" with an emphasis on sarcastic quotation marks.

Kansas makes plenty of money from MBB. IIRC, I read that save for Texas, they pull in the most money in the Big XII. It just baffles me how they are floundering by self inflicted wounds. Did they really think a terrible OC at Rice would somehow morph into a good HC?

To sum it up, this was from the game report. Seen this before?

Beaty still showed numerous moments of game-day indecisiveness. That included two timeouts before fourth-down decisions, and another on the first play of a possession.

Hawaii put 59 on Navy last night. 59-41 final. DBs will be tested again next week. They threw for over 400 yards. Looks like 3 real good receivers.

The View is playing at NC Central now on ESPN2. Up 14-0 in 1st qtr.

PV now up only 23-21 in 3rd after taking a 23-0 2nd qtr lead.

Sounds like the good old days when Beatty was at Rice.

(09-01-2018 09:52 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Nicholls State 26 - Kansas 23. Final OT.

Kansas drops to 3-34 under Beaty. 2-1 vs FCS teams. What on earth was Kansas thinking when they hired Beaty?

(09-02-2018 01:47 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  PV now up only 23-21 in 3rd after taking a 23-0 2nd qtr lead.

PV stretches it out to 40-24, final.

Surprised no one has posted this yet, but FAU took a beating at Oklahoma, losing something like 66 - 14, with the Sooners up 42 - 0 before easing the throttle a bit. So much for FAU being considered by some as a borderline Top 25 team.

Future opponent LSU up 27-3 at half against 8th ranked Miami.

(09-01-2018 10:02 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 09:54 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 09:52 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Nicholls State 26 - Kansas 23. Final OT.

Kansas drops to 3-34 under Beaty. 2-1 vs FCS teams. What on earth was Kansas thinking when they hired Beaty?

Who wants that job? It can be a career killer. They may just have to stay with Beatty...they tried throwing out big bucks and that didn’t work.

I'm sure there are plenty. Their issue is they went for a big name with Weis trying for a silver bullet and then hired a disaster named Beaty. Beaty was a surefire failure.. that was apparent when he was here.

Stepping back a bit to pull just the relevant posts, but I feel Beaty was hired because he was cheap and willing. They only finished paying off Weis at the end of 2016, two years into Beaty's tenure. Beaty had some familiarity with Lawrence and the program from his various assistant and coordinator stops there. There had to be some degree of personal preference in this job for Beaty because he makes about half of what any other XII coach makes ($1.6MM/yr vs next lowest Bill Snyder at $3.1MM/yr) and had an unenviable dumpster fire to take over and try to turn around. Nobody that might be considered qualified for a P5 HC role would be willing to take it for that price. Major Applewhite gets just as much at 10 wins in a season and better for every win beyond that plus possible academics bonuses.

I think Kansas approached the end of Weis's tenure looking for anybody cheap and willing to instill a positive culture in their football program, and a former Bailiff hire makes a lot of sense in that light. I imagine that Kansas administration looked at the period since paying Weis as a proper trial period for Beaty with a full slate of resources, especially coming into this fall finally with an FBS-reasonable level of scholarship players. Unfortunately for Beaty, he's still losing, and Kansas changed athletics director over the summer. Jeff Long probably isn't interested in retaining a losing coach that's so cheap to fire. The only reason Beaty might be retained is that his contract is a bit long, going through 2021, so it'd be $4.8MM over three years to fire him this December. I give him long odds to coach 2019, and none to coach 2020 unless he wins 7 of the next 23 games.

(09-02-2018 08:44 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 10:02 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 09:54 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 09:52 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Nicholls State 26 - Kansas 23. Final OT.

Kansas drops to 3-34 under Beaty. 2-1 vs FCS teams. What on earth was Kansas thinking when they hired Beaty?

Who wants that job? It can be a career killer. They may just have to stay with Beatty...they tried throwing out big bucks and that didn’t work.

I'm sure there are plenty. Their issue is they went for a big name with Weis trying for a silver bullet and then hired a disaster named Beaty. Beaty was a surefire failure.. that was apparent when he was here.

Stepping back a bit to pull just the relevant posts, but I feel Beaty was hired because he was cheap and willing. They only finished paying off Weis at the end of 2016, two years into Beaty's tenure. Beaty had some familiarity with Lawrence and the program from his various assistant and coordinator stops there. There had to be some degree of personal preference in this job for Beaty because he makes about half of what any other XII coach makes ($1.6MM/yr vs next lowest Bill Snyder at $3.1MM/yr) and had an unenviable dumpster fire to take over and try to turn around. Nobody that might be considered qualified for a P5 HC role would be willing to take it for that price. Major Applewhite gets just as much at 10 wins in a season and better for every win beyond that plus possible academics bonuses.

I think Kansas approached the end of Weis's tenure looking for anybody cheap and willing to instill a positive culture in their football program, and a former Bailiff hire makes a lot of sense in that light. I imagine that Kansas administration looked at the period since paying Weis as a proper trial period for Beaty with a full slate of resources, especially coming into this fall finally with an FBS-reasonable level of scholarship players. Unfortunately for Beaty, he's still losing, and Kansas changed athletics director over the summer. Jeff Long probably isn't interested in retaining a losing coach that's so cheap to fire. The only reason Beaty might be retained is that his contract is a bit long, going through 2021, so it'd be $4.8MM over three years to fire him this December. I give him long odds to coach 2019, and none to coach 2020 unless he wins 7 of the next 23 games.

All I can say is, if they were going for cheap and useless, they could get that for under 100k. As much as the coaching fraternity likes to make it sound like what they do is rocket science... being a ****** caretaker isn't a hard task.

Kansas just made the same easily-defensible-yet-guaranteed-to-fail move that Rice has done so many times in the past. It was reactionary to a previous bad decision.. except when you flail after a bad decision, you typically make a worse one.

Its hilarious how obvious and embarrassing this is. 1.6 million a year for this clown show.

(09-02-2018 07:52 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Surprised no one has posted this yet, but FAU took a beating at Oklahoma, losing something like 66 - 14, with the Sooners up 42 - 0 before easing the throttle a bit. So much for FAU being considered by some as a borderline Top 25 team.

Alas, the halftime score was posted early in our UH game thread (post #195):

(09-01-2018 12:51 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Scoreboard:

OU 42-0 over FAU ... at the half in Norman.

...

But you're correct that no one noted the final score on the Parliament.

This makes for a nice little read. Maybe one of the greatest upsets in college football history - a team with no scholarship players (and only 1 that received any Division 1 scholarship offers) upsets a team with FCS championship game experience.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018...eer-league

And I say maybe, because if there was betting on this one, I doubt the spread would have been 40+. But certainly an underdog in terms of the type of recruits on the field - essentially a very good Division III program (given no scholarships) against a usually top FCS program.

(09-02-2018 09:52 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 08:44 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 10:02 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 09:54 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 09:52 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Nicholls State 26 - Kansas 23. Final OT.

Kansas drops to 3-34 under Beaty. 2-1 vs FCS teams. What on earth was Kansas thinking when they hired Beaty?

Who wants that job? It can be a career killer. They may just have to stay with Beatty...they tried throwing out big bucks and that didn’t work.

I'm sure there are plenty. Their issue is they went for a big name with Weis trying for a silver bullet and then hired a disaster named Beaty. Beaty was a surefire failure.. that was apparent when he was here.

Stepping back a bit to pull just the relevant posts, but I feel Beaty was hired because he was cheap and willing. They only finished paying off Weis at the end of 2016, two years into Beaty's tenure. Beaty had some familiarity with Lawrence and the program from his various assistant and coordinator stops there. There had to be some degree of personal preference in this job for Beaty because he makes about half of what any other XII coach makes ($1.6MM/yr vs next lowest Bill Snyder at $3.1MM/yr) and had an unenviable dumpster fire to take over and try to turn around. Nobody that might be considered qualified for a P5 HC role would be willing to take it for that price. Major Applewhite gets just as much at 10 wins in a season and better for every win beyond that plus possible academics bonuses.

I think Kansas approached the end of Weis's tenure looking for anybody cheap and willing to instill a positive culture in their football program, and a former Bailiff hire makes a lot of sense in that light. I imagine that Kansas administration looked at the period since paying Weis as a proper trial period for Beaty with a full slate of resources, especially coming into this fall finally with an FBS-reasonable level of scholarship players. Unfortunately for Beaty, he's still losing, and Kansas changed athletics director over the summer. Jeff Long probably isn't interested in retaining a losing coach that's so cheap to fire. The only reason Beaty might be retained is that his contract is a bit long, going through 2021, so it'd be $4.8MM over three years to fire him this December. I give him long odds to coach 2019, and none to coach 2020 unless he wins 7 of the next 23 games.

All I can say is, if they were going for cheap and useless, they could get that for under 100k. As much as the coaching fraternity likes to make it sound like what they do is rocket science... being a ****** caretaker isn't a hard task.

Kansas just made the same easily-defensible-yet-guaranteed-to-fail move that Rice has done so many times in the past. It was reactionary to a previous bad decision.. except when you flail after a bad decision, you typically make a worse one.

Its hilarious how obvious and embarrassing this is. 1.6 million a year for this clown show.

It feels like Kansas' basketball supporters want to make sure Kansas remains a basketball school, and not give and inch to any momentum the football program may create to take away any donations or support from basketball. Otherwise, it's hard to explain why they'd hire these coaches and stick with them after such poor performances.